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Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2945	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:31:00 - [1] - Quote For those of you who're considering going into the field of ADS, you may want to give this here a read. Be forewarned, this is going to be a long thread. What I'm going to go over is what you'll need to know and invest into to become a potentially deadly, and useful pilot. one more warning, ADS is the most SP intensive role in this game, so be sure to have plenty in reserve. We'll be going over: your pilot suit your ADS fit Your skill tree Protocoll when engaging AV in and out of cities Engaging combinations of AV evasive maneuvers using cover (it exists pilots) how to properly support your team Your ROF dog-fighting theme music Your pilot suit: Despite what all the groundies may think they know about ADS, believe when I say they don't. You know how many people know that the dropsuit inside the cockpit matters? Only the pilots, and only the people the pilots told. Anyway, on to what suits are best while inside the cockpit and why. Logistics AK.0: Despite our noble uplink bonus being royally screwed, it is still incredibly useful if you're alive. Which is where combining the ADS with the Amarr Logi comes into play. Fit is as follows: 2 Precisions 1 extender 2 range amps 1 plate 1 reactive plate 2 uplinks 1 nanohive 1 flux 1 rifle Scout AK.0: This suit is perfect if the enemy team is scout heavy. You'll be like a flying scanner, with scans. Fit: 2 Precisions 2 range amps 1 plate 1 reactive plate 2 uplinks 1 flux 1 rifle Scout MK.0 If you're the type to gung ho all over the objective, then you'll love this suit paired with your ADS. The idea behind running a hack fit in the cockpit is to hack a point, and use your ADS as a massive roadblock while you do it. Fit: 2 complex extenders 1 enhanced extender 3 codebreakers 1 link 1 flux Your ADS fit: I'd use protofits, but it's being a douche and showing me my Myron fit. Anyway, for which ever ADS you prefer, you'll need to know these fittings for best usage of your craft. My preferred Python fitting is this: 1 complex afterburner 1 enhanced HEAVY extender 1 complex light shield booster 1 enhanced PG upgrade 1 XT missile This fit has served me well, and while not perfect, it is the most universal in effectiveness. It has a fast recharge, and the best mobility. For those who prefer incubus, try these on. NOTE: These fits should be usable by both rocket and rail Incubus. 1 complex afterburner 1 basic heavy plate 2 complex light armor repairs 1 missile or rail turret Next one is: 1 complex afterburner 1 complex heavy plate 1 complex light armor repair 1 complex PG upgrade 1 missile or rail turret These are the fits I prefer to use. On the python, if you're a fan of hardeners, you can easily swap out the shield booster for the hardener, shouldn't present too big an issue. Your skill tree: Before going into the ADS, it is imperative that you get your dropsuit up before you touch it. So many times my dropsuit saved my ADS, it's not even funny (then again, I wasn't trying to be funny) Your most important skills are as follows: Your chosen dropsuit Armor and shield buff armor plates armor reps (if you're not a fan of reactives) dropsuit engineering/electronics dropsuit core upgrades rail rifle operation or SCR op grenades range amps/ precision enhancers (the most important skill) codebreakers if you're running min scout. uplinks nanohives Once you get all these (not necessarily 5), you should be able to skill into your ADS and beef it up. The most important skills will be put in order from first to last: Core grid management engine core calibration Vehicle shield operation Vehicle shield recharge Vehicle shield fitting OP Vehicle armor operation (may have gotten the name wrong) Vehicle repair efficiency vehicle armor movement reduction (Definitely got the name wrong) Vehicle armor fitting OP ADS skill itself Small missile/rail operation Small missile/rail reload small missile proficiency small missile fitting OP Python/Incubus ROF You may wonder why our most expensive skill is at the bottom, I'll get to that later. Engaging AV: Whenever fighting AV, you need to keep three things in mind. 1) do you have cover 2) what kind of AV weapon he's using 3) the position of AVer himself We'll go over the most widely used form of AV first, the swarm launcher. When engaging a swarm, he'll usually see you first. When this happens, and he hits you, fly out of the area and wait to recharge. Fly back into the area, wait to get hit again, find his smoke trail, fly out again. Recharge and go in for glorious battle. Whenever fighting a swarm in open ground, don't even bother with evasive maneuvers. It's not like it'll help. You can, however, when being hit by a swarm, lower your nose to receive the brunt of swarm damage, allowing you to not wiggle all over the place. Swarms in general fall under 5 types of characters. 1) the halo nerd 2) the idiot 3) the love slider 4) the number 5) the circle Halo nerds are your jumpers. Generally you'll wait for them to land, and shoot where they'll land. The idiot doesn't move, he just locks on and shoots. Move in and kill him. That's it. The love slider fashions his move after the dance move The love slide. In this scenario, wait for his feet to go into your rockets and shoot him until he dies. Show you to practice dancing in battle. The number swarm employs the strafe taught by Regnyum, the figure 8. When fighting a number, aim for the center of the 8, or the top and bottom portions of each circle. The circle swarm is basically the number without two circles. Shoot at bottom and top of circles. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2945	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:31:00 - [2] - Quote reserved. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2945	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:32:00 - [3] - Quote reserved. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2437	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:34:00 - [4] - Quote C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1210	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:34:00 - [5] - Quote I like to put an armor rep so i don't stay at half armor the whole battle. Is this good? Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2437	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:37:00 - [6] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I like to put an armor rep so i don't stay at half armor the whole battle. Is this good? On a Python? No. It cuts too much into your fitting. Just find a supply depot If there is no supply depot in your redline, make a thread complaining about it. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 351	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:41:00 - [7] - Quote First page post reserved Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1331	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:46:00 - [8] - Quote I thought if you used your scout suit while driving vehicles that those same e-war skills won't translate to the vehicle , hence enhancing the detection and dampening in signatures of vehicles and infantry while piloting ? That's what I herd . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1332	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:50:00 - [9] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: If there is no supply depot in your redline, make a thread complaining about it. Or blame me , I can be a douche like that sometimes . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 977	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:52:00 - [10] - Quote I'm definitely a halo nerd with swarms. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....

Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1210	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:55:00 - [11] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Zindorak wrote: I like to put an armor rep so i don't stay at half armor the whole battle. Is this good? On a Python? No. It cuts too much into your fitting. Just find a supply depot If there is no supply depot in your redline, make a thread complaining about it. Oh derp i forgot about hjopping out to rep your python Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1219	Posted - 2014.11.02 02:02:00 - [12] - Quote SHOCKING FACTS AND HIDDEN SECRETS REVEALED! These are the fits Dropship pilots DON'T want you to know! There. Now it's more like an actual internet article. +1 1.9 Fixes This Judge Rhadamanthus is my Hero
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1219	Posted - 2014.11.02 03:14:00 - [13] - Quote I have heard that equipping a long range weapon like a sniper rifle increases your draw distance, and therefore improves your chances of seeing far-off targets. I have never tried this, or put a sniper rifle on any of my pilot suits, but I figured I'd ask what the consensus on this particular strategy is. 1.9 Fixes This Judge Rhadamanthus is my Hero
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1303	Posted - 2014.11.02 03:18:00 - [14] - Quote when did ADS start sharing tacnet info with the pilot's dropsuit? i thought dropsuit ewar had no effect on the dropship tacnet.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2953	Posted - 2014.11.02 03:23:00 - [15] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: when did ADS start sharing tacnet info with the pilot's dropsuit? i thought dropsuit ewar had no effect on the dropship tacnet.. Oh it works. Just nobody cared to find out. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1506	Posted - 2014.11.02 03:26:00 - [16] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: when did ADS start sharing tacnet info with the pilot's dropsuit? i thought dropsuit ewar had no effect on the dropship tacnet.. It doesn't. I've done some pretty extensive testing myself. People only believe it does because dropships have a base scan radius of 50m. It doesn't matter what your dropsuit scan range or precision is, It is immediately replaced by the stats of whatever vehicle you are in once you enter that vehicle. Did a lot of testing with a few friends, Myself being a cal scout 5, a friend being a gal scout 5, and others not having any skills in ewar. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 58	Posted - 2014.11.02 03:27:00 - [17] - Quote +1 Logistics ak.0 Python pilot PSN: Riptalis
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 1022	Posted - 2014.11.02 04:43:00 - [18] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Oh it works. Just nobody cared to find out. No, it doesn't. Take a look at the dropship stats - it has a base scan radius of 50m, that can lead to some confusion as to where your ewar is coming from, but I guarantee you its not your dropsuit. Derriths right, it does work. I always fit them to my Pilot suits and am hardly ever hit by Rammers. If I am its because I wasnt paying attention to it, and thats maybe 1/30 times. I've seen as far as the outer ring. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P2. Snarcasm > Sarcasm Excessively British.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5747	Posted - 2014.11.02 04:49:00 - [19] - Quote Confirming OP is a pain in the ass when on the enemy team ;) EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2312	Posted - 2014.11.02 04:52:00 - [20] - Quote Or, take it from a 2-year vehicle user: Don't bother with the ADS. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1507	Posted - 2014.11.02 05:28:00 - [21] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Oh it works. Just nobody cared to find out. No, it doesn't. Take a look at the dropship stats - it has a base scan radius of 50m, that can lead to some confusion as to where your ewar is coming from, but I guarantee you its not your dropsuit. Derriths right, it does work. I always fit them to my Pilot suits and am hardly ever hit by Rammers. If I am its because I wasnt paying attention to it, and thats maybe 1/30 times. I've seen as far as the outer ring. Take a look at the stats of a dropship. Unlike most suits and vehicles which have 10m scan range dropships have 50m radius. Python: air speed 50m/s scan profile 150db, scan precision 50db, scan radius 50m. These numbers overwrite your dropsuit values, there's even a simple way to test it - use as many precision amps as possible on a light frame and get a friend on the enemy team to also be a light frame (undamped), face away from them but still be within 20m (without skills) - you'll still see your 'enemy' friend, then get in your dropship and go into first person mode - you won't pick up your hostile friend unless they walk through your field of view. As long as you're not perfectly still it's near impossible to be hit by a rammer. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5749	Posted - 2014.11.02 05:43:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Or, take it from a 2-year vehicle user: Don't bother with the ADS. You say that about all vehicles, maybe your just not good in them. Have you tried dropsuits instead if you are having such a hard time in HAV's and ADS's? EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2965	Posted - 2014.11.02 06:12:00 - [23] - Quote mina, if you don't think it works, or it doesn't work for you, then fine. it works for me, and in the end, that's all that matters to me. we'll see whos ADS survives longer, and more often. and you can give me the stats all you like, it won't change that i run it, and it works for me. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1243	Posted - 2014.11.02 06:18:00 - [24] - Quote +1s all around. As a Forger I can tell you, there are right ways and wrong ways to come at me bro. Many pilots make the mistake of making a b-line straight for me after I've grounded them once. This will cause the loss of a second dropship because a straight line will get you nothing but dead. Incubus pilots tend to get right in your face or will make attempts to Shamu crush you. The ships that get right in my face have the tendency to die a lot. Unless that pilot is an armor tanked HMG nightmare just waiting to jump out I am typically unimpressed. Pythons always bother me the most when forging. They are harder to hit, I have had plenty of shots go right through those gun bays. They are faster and more agile. Their ability to strafe is what makes them so formidable. While strafing if you maintain the same speed and pattern I will miss the first shot, correct my lead, and nail you with the last three in my clip. The ships that alter their height, speed and pattern are the ones that have the highest chance of success. I'm also going to be running a large number of armor reps so if you miss a few shots and need to reload, I'm going to be tip top before you start in again. I've got AV grenades on me too, so watch your distance. Unless you're the merc crushing master, you should probably work on the strafe killing. If seen lots of pilots come in for the crush, miss, and one forge shot wrecks them. If you're being a wily little prick, I'll grab swarms just to keep you out of the area. Staying moving, changing your patterns, knowing your cover, and yes, playing like a scared little girl will make you a good pilot. Putting out uplinks, giving your team vital intel, getting rid of enemy uplinks, providing ammo to your AVers, and killing zergs will make you a great pilot.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1507	Posted - 2014.11.02 07:44:00 - [25] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: mina, if you don't think it works, or it doesn't work for you, then fine. it works for me, and in the end, that's all that matters to me. we'll see whos ADS survives longer, and more often. and you can give me the stats all you like, it won't change that i run it, and it works for me. I hate this 'it works for me' crap. The information you are spreading is FACTUALLY INCORRECT you do people a disservice by trying to tell them it is anything other than wrong. I tested this theory way back in 1.6 because I myself wondered if I could use the caldari scout inside a tank or dropship to get the effect of an even higher precision active scanner permanently and all the testing the people I wrangled up and myself amounted to 'no you do not get the benefit of whatever ewar your dropsuit has while in a vehicle, the vehicle overwrites your ewar stats'. It doesn't matter what vehicle or what spot you're in on it, you do not get your dropsuits ewar benefit. Ever. Now if you want to use an amarr logi for uplinks go ahead, if you want to use a damped / range amped / precision amped scout so you don't get jumped while calling in a vehicle that's great, but that's an entirely different case from trying to say that 'scout range and precision applies while you're in a vehicle'. If that were the case all tankers would be amarr or caldari scouts. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Top Men. 97	Posted - 2014.11.02 14:33:00 - [26] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Next up is the forge, when fighting a forge you have to find out what kind of forge he is, and how accurate he is. You should remember these forge names, they're the forge gunners I remember who've dealt with me alone. Lazye Royalgiedro Senator Snipe Brother of Havok Poncho Polous (we're currently about 15-10 me being 15) Dust User Olias Sunoso If I ever got to fight Breakin stuff, I'm sure he'd be a good fight EEEEEEEEEEEEE! I was mentioned! I'm so excited! Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Top Men. 97	Posted - 2014.11.02 14:39:00 - [27] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: +1s all around. As a Forger I can tell you, there are right ways and wrong ways to come at me bro. Many pilots make the mistake of making a b-line straight for me after I've grounded them once. This will cause the loss of a second dropship because a straight line will get you nothing but dead. I'm currently perfecting a "new" technique on Dust for Dropship pilots... The Cork Screw! I can come straight at you AND not get hit. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1337	Posted - 2014.11.02 16:43:00 - [28] - Quote Rattati needs to chime in on this scout suit vehicle scan radius thing so that all parties could be correctly informed because if it is a thing , that's good but if it isn't ... that's alright as well but the information needs to be known so that people can't be mislead or misunderstood . I'm more along the lines of Mina but I personally don't know , I've tried it and I have all my e-war at 4 and Cal scout at 3 but I haven't noticed anything that stands out and I've been told that it doesn't work , so I just don't know ... I'm just conveying what I was told because for me personally , I didn't notice anything different . Rattati , please set this matter straight . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 508	Posted - 2014.11.23 19:42:00 - [29] - Quote I'm going to test this with my Cal scout but I'm pretty sure MINA's right. If you're not wearing proto, you're doing it wrong.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 3050	Posted - 2014.11.23 19:45:00 - [30] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I'm going to test this with my Cal scout but I'm pretty sure MINA's right. Probably by now, yes. TBH, rendering has gotten a little better, and I haven't been able to actually check out (PS3 on the fritz) if 1.9 did anything to this, so when you do, share the results with me. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS

Lloyd Orfay Kinsho Swords Caldari State 233	Posted - 2014.11.23 20:38:00 - [31] - Quote Lloyd Orfay's simple guide for ADS Get ADS Fly high and fast Stop Attack something When you need to reload your turrets, you do this. "Class, what is the genus that the pig comes from?" "Scout Gk.0"
Bremen van Equis Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:36:00 - [32] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Next one is: 1 complex afterburner 1 complex heavy plate 1 complex light armor repair 1 complex PG upgrade 1 missile or rail turret Not sure if anyone else already mentioned but I can actually fit this out with an enhanced PG upgrade rather than complex... The PG usage is 1182 of 1182, with an XT-1 missile launcher.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15000	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:45:00 - [33] - Quote Breaking is a good AVer....take it from a ground bound rolling bunker...... the only reason I used to get him every now and them was because I could snipe with blasters out to roughly 200m......ah good times 5-6 second TTK on those blaster snipes and no every did anything to evade me........ Just whined on the forums like me for my Amarrian HAV.......... I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1998	Posted - 2014.11.24 22:44:00 - [34] - Quote Good info, sad that you didn't include transporting roles and shock tactics/gunner tactics. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 3027	Posted - 2014.11.24 22:52:00 - [35] - Quote I thought the subject was "A comprehensive guide for AIDS" when I first saw this... I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 913	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:09:00 - [36] - Quote As a dropship pilot I would like to add that I do not use any of the fits that were mentioned in this thread for my pilot suit nor python.... I made the mistake of sharing my fits before which lead to the major nerfs... This time I'm keeping them to myself. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 3062	Posted - 2014.11.25 02:17:00 - [37] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: As a dropship pilot I would like to add that I do not use any of the fits that were mentioned in this thread for my pilot suit nor python.... I made the mistake of sharing my fits before which lead to the major nerfs... This time I'm keeping them to myself. Yes, I remember your fit pre-delta. Being honest, I would've ran that fit myself, but I prefer my active modules. Also, if you've become active again, can you see if running range amps and precisions still works? I haven't been able to since 1.9 dropped, and I'd like to figure out if it's still worth running on your suit. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2622	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:42:00 - [38] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: As a dropship pilot I would like to add that I do not use any of the fits that were mentioned in this thread for my pilot suit nor python.... I made the mistake of sharing my fits before which lead to the major nerfs... This time I'm keeping them to myself. Spoiler: he uses a light shield booster fit. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~


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