DUST Search - Respecs, P2W, and Profit.

Pushing Charlie wrote:

Eruditus 920 wrote:

Savage Mangler wrote:

Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec.

So what is you opinion GD?

And you came to this conclusion all on your own?

There should be a Business school opened in your name.

Great job.

Giving free respec tokens to all players could restore a lot of respect that some players had lost for CCP after Fanfest. It's a good business strategy in the long run.

But personally, I hate all you stupid motherfuckers and would be glad to see CCP milk more money from this brainwashed community.

It's not that i lose battles, its just that sometimes i don't feel like winning them.

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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9082	Posted - 2014.11.02 02:48:00 - [31] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Get those fake scouts out of here. One million AMEN's . I don't scout except to anti-vehicle but the imposters sure can screw up a match . I've played matches where the whole enemy team were scouts and the names that I'm familiar with were not included , so to me they were a bunch of great big phonies !!!!In the voice of that guy heckling Peter Griffin Because surely if you dint recognize the name they are a phonie and there if they don't use the suit the way you deem worthy they are a fake as well. Right, ok. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Senator Snipe Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.11.02 02:54:00 - [32] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. This If i get a respec my Core Skills are done and im just collecting proto gear at that point. If i dont get a respec my core skills will be done in about a month and a half and im collecting proto gear then. Im in a good spot either way basically. Currently 30 mil SP 1 proto suit 3 proto weapons why did you reply? My forge skills are unmatchable. It's not that i lose battles, its just that sometimes i don't feel like winning them.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 672	Posted - 2014.11.02 02:56:00 - [33] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Get those fake scouts out of here. One million AMEN's . I don't scout except to anti-vehicle but the imposters sure can screw up a match . I've played matches where the whole enemy team were scouts and the names that I'm familiar with were not included , so to me they were a bunch of great big phonies !!!!In the voice of that guy heckling Peter Griffin Because surely if you dint recognize the name they are a phonie and there if they don't use the suit the way you deem worthy they are a fake as well. Right, ok. Pay no attention to Shinobi. He has issues and struggles. I could include links but meh, just trust me. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Senator Snipe Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.11.02 02:56:00 - [34] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? And you came to this conclusion all on your own? There should be a Business school opened in your name. Great job. Giving free respec tokens to all players could restore a lot of respect that some players had lost for CCP after Fanfest. It's a good business strategy in the long run. But personally, I hate all you stupid motherfuckers and would be glad to see CCP milk more money from this brainwashed community. well **** you too bro My forge skills are unmatchable. It's not that i lose battles, its just that sometimes i don't feel like winning them.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1069	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:03:00 - [35] - Quote Im sure in the far off future a respec token will land in the newsletter but for now there is no way they will be free. The initial surge on them from all the people that have been wanting a respec will likely pay the server bills for several months.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property 0	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:16:00 - [36] - Quote There is an underlining problem everyone seems to be ignoring: CCP sucks at nerfing and buffing, making the choices you've made pointless or painful. Now, there's a way to lessen that burden, and it will likely be at an AUR cost. That works well for several reasons, one being if Dust starts earning real income making Legion will likely be abandoned so CCP can milk us some more, which will fasten the pace to a PS4 port. Another reason it works is that it limits how many people actually can respec. Not everyone will be willing to go into there pockets to make up for bad allocations. I'm not on board with respecs at all - I carefully planned my toons and looked at CCP's track record and have not wasted a single point. And Dust's universe should mirror EvE's - which is a cold and bitter place. But I can understand why it would be important for this games future.
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1558	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:33:00 - [37] - Quote the irony, see my alts post 2 weeks ago: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2403728#post2403728 GM Archduke "I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones." my answer: "if earning more money is not a valid reason then I guess you do not want to earn more money" 2 weeks later, AUR respec announced Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Everyone would move out of scouts and into Assaults and Heavies. I would be glad if that happens. as a logi I really dislike getting insta killed by a 15db shotgun scout that can sneak up even without cloak from behind because he sees where your whole team is looking at with his passive scanner wallhack.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1239	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:36:00 - [38] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Personally I don't think it does but some people will inevitably get their dicks in a knot and cry "P2W!" And those people would be wrong. Don't get why it's so hard for people to get that respecs aren't P2W. Players don't necessarily have a problem with the respecs themselves,they have a problem with the fact that only AUR users will have access to it. Effectively locking out all of Dusts poorer players. And this,by its very definition is P2W. If CCP offered an ISK option (at a much higher price),most of the P2W screams would die out. Because at least those that can't 'buy' a respec could earn one through grinding. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1558	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:48:00 - [39] - Quote Meee One wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Personally I don't think it does but some people will inevitably get their dicks in a knot and cry "P2W!" And those people would be wrong. Don't get why it's so hard for people to get that respecs aren't P2W. Players don't necessarily have a problem with the respecs themselves,they have a problem with the fact that only AUR users will have access to it. Effectively locking out all of Dusts poorer players. CCP is not locking out anyone. the "poor" players can simply play 2 weeks and get the stuff their want, there is not limit on the content they can access. this is how microtransactions work, you pay to get other stuff faster or to get stuff that has no effect on performances like different colors/designs.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1239	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:51:00 - [40] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: No one's skills go above V and people who purchase respecs don't get access to The Super Secret 500%-Damage Weapon Variants Market. Respecs are not P2W. Neither are boosters. They just allow you to access some content faster. Actually,AUR exclusive respecs are very much P2W. Unless they have an ISK option too. Now boosters on the other hand are early access,which is ok for the F2P model. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.

Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1558	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:53:00 - [41] - Quote Meee One wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: No one's skills go above V and people who purchase respecs don't get access to The Super Secret 500%-Damage Weapon Variants Market. Respecs are not P2W. Neither are boosters. They just allow you to access some content faster. Actually,AUR exclusive respecs are very much P2W. Unless they have an ISK option too. Now boosters on the other hand are early access,which is ok for the F2P model. you obviously do not know what pay to win means.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1239	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:03:00 - [42] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Meee One wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Personally I don't think it does but some people will inevitably get their dicks in a knot and cry "P2W!" And those people would be wrong. Don't get why it's so hard for people to get that respecs aren't P2W. Players don't necessarily have a problem with the respecs themselves,they have a problem with the fact that only AUR users will have access to it. Effectively locking out all of Dusts poorer players. CCP is not locking out anyone. the "poor" players can simply play 2 weeks and get the stuff their want, there is not limit on the content they can access. this is how microtransactions work, you pay to get other stuff faster or to get stuff that has no effect on performances like different colors/designs. Other stuff faster = boosters,AUR gear Different colors = Quafe,etc. If you've put SP in the wrong places and never maxed your cores. Then pay to respec,and then invest in your cores and other things using your Dust experience. Those changes dramatically effect your suits performance. What about the ISK users? The ones that made the same mistakes? Should they be stuck because' consequences' and 'your choices matter'? Why do choices matter to ISK users,but not AUR users? Are they above the 'law'? Does money make all your problems vanish like magic? The only way real money users would get so much 'immunity' is in a P2W system. Unless of course,an ISK option was made available to balance it out. Then CCP would be saying "you can have this too,just not as easily" as a F2P model dictates. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1239	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:06:00 - [43] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Meee One wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: No one's skills go above V and people who purchase respecs don't get access to The Super Secret 500%-Damage Weapon Variants Market. Respecs are not P2W. Neither are boosters. They just allow you to access some content faster. Actually,AUR exclusive respecs are very much P2W. Unless they have an ISK option too. Now boosters on the other hand are early access,which is ok for the F2P model. you obviously do not know what pay to win means. Let's see what CCP has to say about P2W. Meee One wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: A common definition of Pay-to-Win is "items of greater quality can only be bought for real money". This scenario does not violate that principle. On the ISK generation, I believe that the community has asked for a way to make ISK losses in FW more bearable, and I think with the fact that you need to purchase the LP items first, combined with a lower than market price resell value, that this will only offset losses for the most part. >AUR is bought with money >greater quality being 15% increase to sales >seeing as there is no ISK version it equals 0% You yourself,with your own definition of P2W have just stated that this new mechanic is P2W. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1558	Posted - 2014.11.03 11:40:00 - [44] - Quote Meee One wrote: Other stuff faster = boosters,AUR gear Different colors = Quafe,etc. If you've put SP in the wrong places and never maxed your cores. Then pay to respec,and then invest in your cores and other things using your Dust experience. Those changes dramatically effect your suits performance. What about the ISK users? The ones that made the same mistakes? Should they be stuck because' consequences' and 'your choices matter'? you play for two weeks, and get some core skills, problem? beside that, the guy that did a respec to fill his core skills will lack somewhere else. ergo, you payed to get something faster (you core skills) in exchange for 20% of skillbook price and lost SP somewhere else. a respec is no "item of greater quality" btw. a respec does not grant you secret or improved stuff no other can get. it is not p2w deal with it.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13412	Posted - 2014.11.03 12:11:00 - [45] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Next thing on the list is resurrect your biomassed character for a 40% isk and assets penalty. You can do that for free via help ticket provided that you have at least 1 character slot open. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1241	Posted - 2014.11.03 12:25:00 - [46] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Meee One wrote: Other stuff faster = boosters,AUR gear Different colors = Quafe,etc. If you've put SP in the wrong places and never maxed your cores. Then pay to respec,and then invest in your cores and other things using your Dust experience. Those changes dramatically effect your suits performance. What about the ISK users? The ones that made the same mistakes? Should they be stuck because' consequences' and 'your choices matter'? you play for two weeks, and get some core skills, problem? beside that, the guy that did a respec to fill his core skills will lack somewhere else. ergo, you payed to get something faster (you core skills) in exchange for 20% of skillbook price and lost SP somewhere else. a respec is no "item of greater quality" btw. a respec does not grant you secret or improved stuff no other can get. it is not p2w deal with it. You seem to ignore the obvious. F2P means IRL and in-game money can be used for everything sold in a games market. Not 'oh IRL money users have exclusive access'. That's P2W. By not giving players even the option of using ISK it becomes P2W. Look at 'neo' suits: -different skin -costs less SP -costs AUR -equal regular market counterparts This is F2P,convenience for cash. Now lets look at AUR respecs: -costs AUR -no isk market equivalent This is P2W,no other in-game money option. And just because they don't 'create' an item for ISK with less effect doesn't mean this isn't P2W. It creates a void where the item should be,with a value of 0%. So,AUR respec for 100%. Or,ISK respec for 0%. P2W is obvious. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2370	Posted - 2014.11.03 12:35:00 - [47] - Quote The more people that depend on FotM to be good, the more AUR they will spend to respec. More AUR spent means Dust 514, from a business prospective, is logically more viable to keep supporting. Please. Spend more AUR. Keep Dust alive. Prof. V Plasma Cannon and Gallente Commando V. There is no regret. Only explosions.
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1559	Posted - 2014.11.03 12:42:00 - [48] - Quote Meee One wrote: You seem to ignore the obvious. F2P means IRL and in-game money can be used for everything sold in a games market. Not 'oh IRL money users have exclusive access'. That's P2W. here we found the point where you are wrong thus not getting what P2W means
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 225	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:36:00 - [49] - Quote my god! How many times are you planning to respec? once a week? a month? You need to make better choices.


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