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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.11.03 09:36:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Savage Mangler wrote:Atiim wrote:How would a respec equate to a "win"? Personally I don't think it does but some people will inevitably get their dicks in a knot and cry "P2W!" And those people would be wrong. Don't get why it's so hard for people to get that respecs aren't P2W.
Players don't necessarily have a problem with the respecs themselves,they have a problem with the fact that only AUR users will have access to it.
Effectively locking out all of Dusts poorer players.
And this,by its very definition is P2W.
If CCP offered an ISK option (at a much higher price),most of the P2W screams would die out.
Because at least those that can't 'buy' a respec could earn one through grinding.
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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.11.03 09:51:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:No one's skills go above V and people who purchase respecs don't get access to The Super Secret 500%-Damage Weapon Variants Market.
Respecs are not P2W. Neither are boosters. They just allow you to access some content faster.
Actually,AUR exclusive respecs are very much P2W.
Unless they have an ISK option too.
Now boosters on the other hand are early access,which is ok for the F2P model.
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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.11.03 10:03:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Meee One wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Savage Mangler wrote:Atiim wrote:How would a respec equate to a "win"? Personally I don't think it does but some people will inevitably get their dicks in a knot and cry "P2W!" And those people would be wrong. Don't get why it's so hard for people to get that respecs aren't P2W. Players don't necessarily have a problem with the respecs themselves,they have a problem with the fact that only AUR users will have access to it. Effectively locking out all of Dusts poorer players. CCP is not locking out anyone. the "poor" players can simply play 2 weeks and get the stuff their want, there is not limit on the content they can access. this is how microtransactions work, you pay to get other stuff faster or to get stuff that has no effect on performances like different colors/designs.
Other stuff faster = boosters,AUR gear
Different colors = Quafe,etc.
If you've put SP in the wrong places and never maxed your cores.
Then pay to respec,and then invest in your cores and other things using your Dust experience.
Those changes dramatically effect your suits performance.
What about the ISK users?
The ones that made the same mistakes?
Should they be stuck because' consequences' and 'your choices matter'?
Why do choices matter to ISK users,but not AUR users?
Are they above the 'law'?
Does money make all your problems vanish like magic?
The only way real money users would get so much 'immunity' is in a P2W system.
Unless of course,an ISK option was made available to balance it out.
Then CCP would be saying "you can have this too,just not as easily" as a F2P model dictates.
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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.11.03 10:06:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Meee One wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:No one's skills go above V and people who purchase respecs don't get access to The Super Secret 500%-Damage Weapon Variants Market.
Respecs are not P2W. Neither are boosters. They just allow you to access some content faster. Actually,AUR exclusive respecs are very much P2W. Unless they have an ISK option too. Now boosters on the other hand are early access,which is ok for the F2P model. you obviously do not know what pay to win means.
Let's see what CCP has to say about P2W.
Meee One wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:A common definition of Pay-to-Win is "items of greater quality can only be bought for real money". This scenario does not violate that principle.
On the ISK generation, I believe that the community has asked for a way to make ISK losses in FW more bearable, and I think with the fact that you need to purchase the LP items first, combined with a lower than market price resell value, that this will only offset losses for the most part. >AUR is bought with money >greater quality being 15% increase to sales >seeing as there is no ISK version it equals 0% You yourself,with your own definition of P2W have just stated that this new mechanic is P2W.
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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.11.03 12:25:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Meee One wrote:
Other stuff faster = boosters,AUR gear
Different colors = Quafe,etc.
If you've put SP in the wrong places and never maxed your cores.
Then pay to respec,and then invest in your cores and other things using your Dust experience.
Those changes dramatically effect your suits performance.
What about the ISK users?
The ones that made the same mistakes?
Should they be stuck because' consequences' and 'your choices matter'?
you play for two weeks, and get some core skills, problem? beside that, the guy that did a respec to fill his core skills will lack somewhere else. ergo, you payed to get something faster (you core skills) in exchange for 20% of skillbook price and lost SP somewhere else. a respec is no "item of greater quality" btw. a respec does not grant you secret or improved stuff no other can get. it is not p2w deal with it.
You seem to ignore the obvious.
F2P means IRL and in-game money can be used for everything sold in a games market.
Not 'oh IRL money users have exclusive access'.
That's P2W.
By not giving players even the option of using ISK it becomes P2W.
Look at 'neo' suits:
-different skin
-costs less SP
-costs AUR
-equal regular market counterparts
This is F2P,convenience for cash.
Now lets look at AUR respecs:
-costs AUR
-no isk market equivalent
This is P2W,no other in-game money option.
And just because they don't 'create' an item for ISK with less effect doesn't mean this isn't P2W.
It creates a void where the item should be,with a value of 0%.
So,AUR respec for 100%.
Or,ISK respec for 0%.
P2W is obvious.
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