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Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:09:00 - [1] - Quote Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
Atiim 13359	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:12:00 - [2] - Quote How would a respec equate to a "win"? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 692	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:14:00 - [3] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: So what is you opinion GD? Meh EVE online trial
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9067	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:14:00 - [4] - Quote Free respec token one or two weeks after 1.9 (but not announced until the day before they give it out) would be amazingly hilarious. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 350	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:19:00 - [5] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. This If i get a respec my Core Skills are done and im just collecting proto gear at that point. If i dont get a respec my core skills will be done in about a month and a half and im collecting proto gear then. Im in a good spot either way basically. Currently 30 mil SP 1 proto suit 3 proto weapons Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Personally I don't think it does but some people will inevitably get their dicks in a knot and cry "P2W!" -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 667	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:20:00 - [7] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? And you came to this conclusion all on your own? There should be a Business school opened in your name. Great job. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2099	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:22:00 - [8] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Personally I don't think it does but some people will inevitably get their dicks in a knot and cry "P2W!" And those people would be wrong. Don't get why it's so hard for people to get that respecs aren't P2W. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 781	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:22:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? It doesn't. Its convenient, not a stat advantage. Just like boosters and BPOs. Its just convenient to have to grind less... or have to restock fittings less. CCP is selling convenience basically. A good business plan in an otherwise inconvenient and time consuming game. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:27:00 - [10] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? And you came to this conclusion all on your own? There should be a Business school opened in your name. Great job. You do know what they say about sarcasm right? I'm simply bringing the topic up and encouraging discussion about it. No need to point out that it's pretty much common sense. Not that common sense is truly common anymore. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5743	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:35:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? It doesn't. Its convenient, not a stat advantage. Just like boosters and BPOs. Its just convenient to have to grind less... or have to restock fittings less. CCP is selling convenience basically. A good business plan in an otherwise inconvenient and time consuming game. Contact grenades were just a convinces of not having to wait for your grenade to blow up... People are letting to many borderline P2w things slide this update just because the update has a lot of very good things that go along with it. There are a lot of games that you can get to the same level as someone who pays for free but it will take you a lot longer and those are deemed p2w. This might become the case with triple stacking boosters. EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 667	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:36:00 - [12] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? And you came to this conclusion all on your own? There should be a Business school opened in your name. Great job. You do know what they say about sarcasm right? I'm simply bringing the topic up and encouraging discussion about it. No need to point out that it's pretty much common sense. Not that common sense is truly common anymore. Fair enough. I withdraw 75% of my original sarcasm. Stay gold. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:44:00 - [13] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? And you came to this conclusion all on your own? There should be a Business school opened in your name. Great job. You do know what they say about sarcasm right? I'm simply bringing the topic up and encouraging discussion about it. No need to point out that it's pretty much common sense. Not that common sense is truly common anymore. Fair enough. I withdraw 75% of my original sarcasm. Stay gold. Good enough for me. Stay frosty mate. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
Kensai Dragon Dust University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:53:00 - [14] - Quote Rattati already stated that the respecs would put further pressure on the devs, further encouraging them to balance out whatever FoTM is currently running, so it seems to me that everyone rushing to respec for the current imbalanced advantage will be inadvertently helping the devs remove their initial reason for doing it. BRILLIANT! Pay CCP for the opportunity to show them how unbalanced certain suits are. Of course, there are others who simply want to reallocate into more useful stuff, but they're probably one-time-only users.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2294	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:57:00 - [15] - Quote Booster Stacking could be seen as Pay to Win. Respecs only could be Pay to Win if you were in a large group of people that had EVERY skill at level 2 and suddenly you went max Core Skills and Prototype X giving you a massive advantage over your group. Of course, that is mostly just "Forward Thinking to Win" because it was likely just bad planning that resulted in that scenario. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 871	Posted - 2014.11.01 20:37:00 - [16] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Booster Stacking could be seen as Pay to Win. Respecs only could be Pay to Win if you were in a large group of people that had EVERY skill at level 2 and suddenly you went max Core Skills and Prototype X giving you a massive advantage over your group. Of course, that is mostly just "Forward Thinking to Win" because it was likely just bad planning that resulted in that scenario. Ha. I guess if they did, we could turn around on them and say the Mountain Dew and Dorritos campaign with Call of Duty wasn't "Pay 2 Win" at all. Seriously though, stacking boosters only means you get to your end goal of getting more SP faster. I'm glad I've saved some of my Active Skill Boosters, but as someone on the high end of skill points (50 mil), I don't have much of a need for accelerated SP. There are some roles in this game that I suck at and know I won't be very good so I might as well enjoy the progression. Yes, vets could easily max out their character by stacking 40 Omega Boosters to every fiber of their body and max their character out in 2 seconds, but really, all it does is make your character "skilled" or rather "enabled your character to use" said dropsuit, weapon, equipment, vehicle, etc. It doesn't mean they'll be good at it. If anything, I see this being highly beneficial to new players coming in willing to throw down some money to accelerate a character's SP. This would get them to be able to skill up their core skills and ease the transition from the Academy to the sometimes violent pub matches that have proto-stomping vets in them. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10049	Posted - 2014.11.01 20:41:00 - [17] - Quote Respecs as described for 1.9 will not be Pay to Win in any way from what I see primarily because of one undeniable fact. Skill Points never equate to "win". Skill points don't teach you how to sneak up on your enemy effectively. They don't teach you how to shoot smart. They don't teach you how to fit smart. They don't teach you how to strategize. They don't teach you how to drive a vehicle. They don't teach you how to defend or attack an objective. And they don't teach you how to balance your losses with your earnings. So the only thing they can do is just unlock more options for you to be more flexible. Player-driven experience can teach you all of the above that SP can't and we all know experience can't be bought. PS: I still don't like respecs on the grounds that players should live with their mistakes unless you just recently completed the academy. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 553	Posted - 2014.11.01 22:30:00 - [18] - Quote It's not Pay to Win, but it does go against the unwritten laws of Eve. but hey if it brings in new players or lets old players come back.. then bring it on. Next thing on the list is resurrect your biomassed character for a 40% isk and assets penalty. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10049	Posted - 2014.11.01 22:37:00 - [19] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: It's not Pay to Win, but it does go against the unwritten laws of Eve. but hey if it brings in new players or lets old players come back.. then bring it on. Next thing on the list is resurrect your biomassed character for a 40% isk and assets penalty. LOL Good luck with that. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 365	Posted - 2014.11.01 22:39:00 - [20] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? And you came to this conclusion all on your own? There should be a Business school opened in your name. Great job. Giving free respec tokens to all players could restore a lot of respect that some players had lost for CCP after Fanfest. It's a good business strategy in the long run. But personally, I hate all you stupid motherfuckers and would be glad to see CCP milk more money from this brainwashed community. Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4386	Posted - 2014.11.01 22:42:00 - [21] - Quote No one's skills go above V and people who purchase respecs don't get access to The Super Secret 500%-Damage Weapon Variants Market. Respecs are not P2W. Neither are boosters. They just allow you to access some content faster. My advice to you, playa...
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7202	Posted - 2014.11.01 22:51:00 - [22] - Quote IGNORE THIS POST. I DUN GOOFED Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4137	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:00:00 - [23] - Quote Realistically you could tie tokens to events now. Maybe add a lore element. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Immortal John Ripper 25469	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:03:00 - [24] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Realistically you could tie tokens to events now. Maybe add a lore element. we have been asking for lore elements for years... will ccp ever listen? I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
General John Ripper 25469	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:03:00 - [25] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Realistically you could tie tokens to events now. Maybe add a lore element. we have been asking for lore elements for years... will ccp ever listen? I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2715	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:12:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Everyone would move out of scouts and into Assaults and Heavies. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
XSoldierSaintX Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:25:00 - [27] - Quote As a closed beta vet who was forced to make a new account.....and still made stupid decisions I would love to be given a second chance with a free respec token. this time I will be extremely careful with how I spend my sp.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7207	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:33:00 - [28] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: How would a respec equate to a "win"? Everyone would move out of scouts and into Assaults and Heavies. That's a win in my book. Get those fake scouts out of here. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 669	Posted - 2014.11.02 00:46:00 - [29] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Been thinking and as much as I think we should all get a free respec token for 1.9, I can honestly say it's not logical from a business perspective. While giving a freebie to everyone that could be used whenever would cut back on the P2W accusations a bit, it would also make the initial monetary gain from respecs significantly less. People would still buy them, but those who know exactly what they want and how to get it efficiently could easily make due with just one respec. So what is you opinion GD? And you came to this conclusion all on your own? There should be a Business school opened in your name. Great job. Giving free respec tokens to all players could restore a lot of respect that some players had lost for CCP after Fanfest. It's a good business strategy in the long run. But personally, I hate all you stupid motherfuckers and would be glad to see CCP milk more money from this brainwashed community. Go stand in the corner for that potty mouth mister and then you apologize to all these good people for what you have said to them today. When your father gets home he's going to hear about this. Don't you look at me like that... I'll show you my Bachelor of Business Administration degree if you show me yours. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1332	Posted - 2014.11.02 02:08:00 - [30] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Get those fake scouts out of here. One million AMEN's . I don't scout except to anti-vehicle but the imposters sure can screw up a match . I've played matches where the whole enemy team were scouts and the names that I'm familiar with were not included , so to me they were a bunch of great big phonies !!!!In the voice of that guy heckling Peter Griffin Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .



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