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DarthPlagueis TheWise
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:26:00 -
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I figure since I'm going to need a lot of practice, and I rely a lot on dampening, that the suit and dampener BPOs would be worth it.
However my profile is only reduced to 18 dB with skills and 3 dampeners. How well do you think it will hold up?
I do have a Gal Logi and I do know it will get under my proto scanners that AREN'T the focused. What I don't know much about is the precision of other scouts.
Might even have to go without the cloak to save money... 2,000 ISK is a lot on an ISK saving suit. So are basic remotes.
Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4182
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:29:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:I figure since I'm going to need a lot of practice, and I rely a lot on dampening, that the suit and dampener BPOs would be worth it for ISK.
However my profile is only reduced to 18 dB with skills and 3 dampeners. How well do you think it will hold up?
I do have a Gal Logi and I do know it will get under my proto scanners that AREN'T the focused. What I don't know much about is the precision of other scouts.
Might even have to go without the cloak to save money... 2,000 ISK is a lot on an ISK saving suit. So are basic remotes. Which might be a good thing since the increased visibility of the quafe suit combined with not relying on the cloak will be helpful in training myself to stay out of sight.
Do it.
Grab life by the balls and run.
You will hate it and you will learn to get good or get killed a lot.
Very likely both.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
504
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:30:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:I figure since I'm going to need a lot of practice, and I rely a lot on dampening, that the suit and dampener BPOs would be worth it for ISK.
However my profile is only reduced to 18 dB with skills and 3 dampeners. How well do you think it will hold up?
I do have a Gal Logi and I do know it will get under my proto scanners that AREN'T the focused. What I don't know much about is the precision of other scouts.
Might even have to go without the cloak to save money... 2,000 ISK is a lot on an ISK saving suit. So are basic remotes. Which might be a good thing since the increased visibility of the quafe suit combined with not relying on the cloak will be helpful in training myself to stay out of sight.
You can use some scout channels like Nova Knifers United or other ones, like starting suit Quafe is good (it just colored basic one).
First of all just spec it up, spec up dropsuit electronics (Dropsuit Uppgrades aswell) and dont forget armor and shileds.
Weaponry leave for last thingie to do and have fun on battlefield sneaky sneakz Matee Boyo 
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
6203
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:34:00 -
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It will hold up as well as a regular g1 but you will be bright purple, so spotted easier than normal.
I am GJR's Renfield lol
My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine'
Their album - 28 days till maine.
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
170
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:43:00 -
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i have the scout level 5 and the dampening level 5 so im good
i know all the things you guys are telling me.
what i was asking is how easily will i be detected with 18 dB profile
Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
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Aramis Madrigal
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
305
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:51:00 -
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In pub games, 18dB will make you invisible to the vast majority of the players. You'll get picked up by the occasional passive scanning scout or well prepared squad with a gal logi, but most games you will not appear on tacnet. It should serve as a reasonable analog to the kind of play style you would use in PC as an invisible scout (where I assume you'd be using a x2 damp+cloak or x3 damped gal scout).
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Top Men.
71
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Posted - 2014.10.30 15:12:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:i have the scout level 5 and the dampening level 5 so im good
i know all the things you guys are telling me.
what i was asking is how easily will i be detected with 18 dB profile
I have a caldari quafe suit and I love it. It has all the bonuses of the skills so it is exactly like a basic suit except that I save 3,000 isk every time I die and its a pretty pinkish color and since my character is a girl then is even better. It is currently my favorite suit. The caladari like the gallente has profile dampening bonuses per suit level. However, the caldari has a lower bonus than the gallente. It also only has 1 module spot on the right. So, what do i put in it? 1 complex profile dampening. I'm pretty much invicible to everybody except the very high level gallente scout and the UGLY looking leveled up ammar scout. They really have to be leveled up high and use a profile enhancer to detect me. So, am I 100% invisible? No. I know for a fact that i can be detected. How invisible am I? I'm guessing I'm invisible to 95% of the players which are good odds. I don't think I die because of lack of invisibility. I mostly die because I make stupid mistakes. its the old f-it!! I can take that guy out and nope it turns out I couldn't.
So, to answer your question. with 1 complex profile dampener it should be enough. Especially with the gallente scout (assuming level 5 proto level. Again what matters is the level and not the suit). If you truly want to be invisible then put 2 complex dampeners. In my opinion that is a waste of time and money (isk). Especially if you use the shotgun. The shotgun setup "IN MY OPINION" should be agile and do a quick hit and run. therefore it doesn't need a lot of expensive equipment. Here is my caldari quafe setup. I call this guy Pink Floyd. It cost me about 18,000 isk. It will not be the same as the gallente but, you can do something similar. this is just to give you an idea.
high mods:
2 advance shield extenders
1 complex profile enhancer
low mods:
1 complex profile dampener
weapons:
basic shotgun
side arm --> either bolt pistol or smg both are basic level.
Equipment:
1 basic cloak device
Because this suit is so cheap I'm not so worried about dying and thus can work on improving my game. I kill more with this suit than the expensive setup. is a psychological thing. Oh! and did I mention is pink?
I additionally run an "El Cheapo" version for he minmatar scout suit for those occasion when an objective needs hacking and you need to get there quick. This guy is only at level 3.
high mods:
1 enhance shield extender
1 basic shield extender
low mods
1 complex profile dampener
1 basic profile dampener
weapons
either basic shotgun or bolt pistol
sidearm either smg or bolt pistol depending what i put on as main weapon.
alternatively I can put a basic combat rifle with nova knifes.
equipment:
1 basic cloacking device
This guy is just as invisible as my caldari and cost about 15,000 isk. There have been countless time when I'm hacking a CRU and people spawn right next to me. I keep on hacking with no worries. Now imagine how much more awesome (invisibility wise) the gallente will be |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
474
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Posted - 2014.10.30 15:13:00 -
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stay away from scouts cause they gonna get nerfbatted to crap.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
170
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Posted - 2014.10.30 15:29:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:stay away from scouts cause they gonna get nerfbatted to crap.
no i dont want to be a cloak crutch using douche
and Luna, I appreciate the effort, but on my free/cheap suits I only use militia. except the HMG, i use basic for that because the MLT is absolute garbage
Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1274
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:30:00 -
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Wants to be ninja...asks if the most brightly coloured and visible scout suit is a good choice...
Original Commando, before all you posers just saying
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
474
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:39:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:stay away from scouts cause they gonna get nerfbatted to crap. no i dont want to be a cloak crutch using douche and Luna, I appreciate the effort, but on my free/cheap suits I only use militia. except the HMG, i use basic for that because the MLT is absolute garbage
Thats not the only issue but you do know that active scanners are going to be shared with THE WHOLE TEAM? It means that if there is only 1 single decent specced gal. logi on the other team he can unveil your position to himself and 15 other people. That alone is going to be a scout killer cause if you dont go full damps+cloak you will get picked up and thats with a proto scout and max skills. And a scanned scout is a dead scout period.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
171
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:23:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Thats not the only issue but you do know that active scanners are going to be shared with THE WHOLE TEAM? It means that if there is only 1 single decent specced gal. logi on the other team he can unveil your position to himself and 15 other people. That alone is going to be a scout killer cause if you dont go full damps+cloak you will get picked up and thats with a proto scout and max skills. And a scanned scout is a dead scout period.
Not really if you're Gal or Cal. Duvolle Focused gets 15 dB and the rest of them get 21 dB at Gal Logi lv5.
Once a scout is within the Focused's range, especially if you're not on a city map, the Logi is already in danger of being killed by said scout.
First of all the Gal Logi will have to be using full proto to actively hunt down scouts. That means I can just pull out MY proto scout which is completely unscannable and wreck his day.
You seem to forget that active scanners used to be even worse before. Now the logi has to get lucky and scan the right angle, or else you will flank him and possibly kill him. His scanners cool down so slowly that he can't possibly scan everywhere at once.
It's the same situation as fighting other scouts. If they're seeing you, switch to your dampened suit, or equivalent. If not, go ahead and experiment with other fittings if the enemy isn't scanning you.
Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
476
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Posted - 2014.10.30 18:12:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Thats not the only issue but you do know that active scanners are going to be shared with THE WHOLE TEAM? It means that if there is only 1 single decent specced gal. logi on the other team he can unveil your position to himself and 15 other people. That alone is going to be a scout killer cause if you dont go full damps+cloak you will get picked up and thats with a proto scout and max skills. And a scanned scout is a dead scout period. Not really if you're Gal or Cal. Duvolle Focused gets 15 dB and the rest of them get 21 dB at Gal Logi lv5. Once a scout is within the Focused's range, especially if you're not on a city map, the Logi is already in danger of being killed by said scout. First of all the Gal Logi will have to be using full proto to actively hunt down scouts. That means I can just pull out MY proto scout which is completely unscannable and wreck his day. You seem to forget that active scanners used to be even worse before. Now the logi has to get lucky and scan the right angle, or else you will flank him and possibly kill him. His scanners cool down so slowly that he can't possibly scan everywhere at once. And if he tries to he'll be spending every second of the game doing so, instead of having his gun out helping the team apply DPS. It's the same situation as fighting other scouts. If they're seeing you, switch to your dampened suit, or equivalent. If not, go ahead and experiment with other fittings if the enemy isn't scanning you.
You obviously have no idea how powerfull intel is. When some 1 decides to run 4 scanners on a logi then he will scan everything non stop and certain scanners are surely still capable to pull 360 scans. People will do it espacially on ambush cause every kill thats beeing made is worth WP for the scanning logi. The active scanner will be the easiest tool for WP farming in the history of dust. And you seem to forget that the focused scanner still has 100m range. Who needs a scanning scout in each squad if you just need 1 gal. logi?
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17556
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Posted - 2014.10.30 18:16:00 -
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Learning on how to be a true scout without heavy module support is important for the times when your modules Do fail to protect you.
1.6 was one of the best times to learn how to scout as mistakes were instant and costly back then and cloaks and scan dodging was not a thing yet.
Learn yourself, learn your prey and soon those modules that most other scouts takes for granted become multipliers instead of additives to your lethality.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
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Mex-0
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
108
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Posted - 2014.10.30 20:11:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Thats not the only issue but you do know that active scanners are going to be shared with THE WHOLE TEAM? It means that if there is only 1 single decent specced gal. logi on the other team he can unveil your position to himself and 15 other people. That alone is going to be a scout killer cause if you dont go full damps+cloak you will get picked up and thats with a proto scout and max skills. And a scanned scout is a dead scout period. Not really if you're Gal or Cal. Duvolle Focused gets 15 dB and the rest of them get 21 dB at Gal Logi lv5. Once a scout is within the Focused's range, especially if you're not on a city map, the Logi is already in danger of being killed by said scout. First of all the Gal Logi will have to be using full proto to actively hunt down scouts. That means I can just pull out MY proto scout which is completely unscannable and wreck his day. You seem to forget that active scanners used to be even worse before. Now the logi has to get lucky and scan the right angle, or else you will flank him and possibly kill him. His scanners cool down so slowly that he can't possibly scan everywhere at once. And if he tries to he'll be spending every second of the game doing so, instead of having his gun out helping the team apply DPS. It's the same situation as fighting other scouts. If they're seeing you, switch to your dampened suit, or equivalent. If not, go ahead and experiment with other fittings if the enemy isn't scanning you. You obviously have no idea how powerfull intel is. When some 1 decides to run 4 scanners on a logi then he will scan everything non stop and certain scanners are surely still capable to pull 360 scans. People will do it espacially on ambush cause every kill thats beeing made is worth WP for the scanning logi. The active scanner will be the easiest tool for WP farming in the history of dust. And you seem to forget that the focused scanner still has 100m range. Who needs a scanning scout in each squad if you just need 1 gal. logi?
No dickbutt would waste all 4 of his slots on scanners.
Or would they?
I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
247
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:16:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:I figure since I'm going to need a lot of practice, and I rely a lot on dampening, that the suit and dampener BPOs would be worth it for ISK.
However my profile is only reduced to 18 dB with skills and 3 dampeners. How well do you think it will hold up?
I do have a Gal Logi and I do know it will get under my proto scanners that AREN'T the focused. What I don't know much about is the precision of other scouts.
Might even have to go without the cloak to save money... 2,000 ISK is a lot on an ISK saving suit. So are basic remotes. Which might be a good thing since the increased visibility of the quafe suit combined with not relying on the cloak will be helpful in training myself to stay out of sight.
Yes, every dusters gotta have a BPO scout.
44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7)
- Open Beta Vet - 30.5mil sp -
R.I.P. Dust 514
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Ignoble Son
Ignominious Front
395
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:23:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:I figure since I'm going to need a lot of practice, and I rely a lot on dampening, that the suit and dampener BPOs would be worth it for ISK.
However my profile is only reduced to 18 dB with skills and 3 dampeners. How well do you think it will hold up?
I do have a Gal Logi and I do know it will get under my proto scanners that AREN'T the focused. What I don't know much about is the precision of other scouts.
Might even have to go without the cloak to save money... 2,000 ISK is a lot on an ISK saving suit. So are basic remotes. Which might be a good thing since the increased visibility of the quafe suit combined with not relying on the cloak will be helpful in training myself to stay out of sight.
What dampeners are you using. You can get to below 18 with two complex (17 something - don't feel like doing the math right now).
As long as you are below 19.6 you should be pretty good. Just have to watch out for Gal logi. They can get their scanners down to 15 dB.
Yup you should get it though, for sure.
{:)}{3GÇó>
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Lloyd Orfay
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:26:00 -
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Lynching would be good for a new scout in training.
18 db is nothing to scoff at.
Don't be a scrub and go no cloak, no remotes and make support fits for your team
Scouts won't have so much precision that they can fnd you like that. Maybe only amarr scouts but everyone still uses scouts diversely, so you might not see too many amarr scouts.
People that can't achieve greatness without exploitation don't deserve to exist. Enroll in scout erradication today.
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Mex-0
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
108
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Posted - 2014.10.31 01:17:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:Lynching would be good for a new scout in training.
18 db is nothing to scoff at.
Don't be a scrub and go no cloak, no remotes and make support fits for your team
Scouts won't have so much precision that they can fnd you like that. Maybe only amarr scouts but everyone still uses scouts diversely, so you might not see too many amarr scouts.
I'm pretty sure the ones that NEED cloaks are the scrubs. And the amarr scout is basically the worst scout for ewar in the game.
I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
570
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Posted - 2014.10.31 01:25:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:I figure since I'm going to need a lot of practice, and I rely a lot on dampening, that the suit and dampener BPOs would be worth it for ISK.
However my profile is only reduced to 18 dB with skills and 3 dampeners. How well do you think it will hold up?
I do have a Gal Logi and I do know it will get under my proto scanners that AREN'T the focused. What I don't know much about is the precision of other scouts.
Might even have to go without the cloak to save money... 2,000 ISK is a lot on an ISK saving suit. So are basic remotes. Which might be a good thing since the increased visibility of the quafe suit combined with not relying on the cloak will be helpful in training myself to stay out of sight.
If you go scout, don't do it for the FOTM cloak shotgun ninja crap that is fixing to get nerfed anyway. Do it because you like the suit anyway. I had been running the scout suit regardless of what weapon or role I was playing. I have since realized my lag is over one second on picking up people shooting at me so I had to go medium just to buffer until the sound and damage register on my screen. I usually just run the scout as an assault because there was a time when that was the only Gal suit and it is awesome looking. Forget blending in, the lag doesn't allow that to work too well for me anyway.
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