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CRYPT3C W0LF
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.29 13:53:00 -
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Respecs and BPO suits? Really? It just goes to show you have far dust has gone down :(
CCP Has Royally screwed the Dust 514 Community
Dust to dust, ash to ash
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:25:00 -
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I suppose you'd rather we just stick to a stagnating game with nothing to look forward to? These changes don't effect you unless you want them to. Those basic BPO's don't make a difference in combat, and those respecs aren't going to buy skill for going into FoTM gear if that's what you're worried about. Most of the vets have more than enough SP unallocated to spec into whatever they want anyways, those are the ones you've actually got to worry about.
So, CCP is actually making some money on Dust, so what? They are a company, their goal isn't to give out free stuff, it's to make money, and if the majority of the fanbase is happy with that and aren't forced to buy anything, what's the problem? Maybe we'll actually see some real improvements in the coming months to Dust now that CCP realizes there's still potential seen in this game by the consumers.
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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CRYPT3C W0LF
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
715
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:29:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:I suppose you'd rather we just stick to a stagnating game with nothing to look forward to? These changes don't effect you unless you want them to. Those basic BPO's don't make a difference in combat, and those respecs aren't going to buy skill for going into FoTM gear if that's what you're worried about. Most of the vets have more than enough SP unallocated to spec into whatever they want anyways, those are the ones you've actually got to worry about.
So, CCP is actually making some money on Dust, so what? They are a company, their goal isn't to give out free stuff, it's to make money, and if the majority of the fanbase is happy with that and aren't forced to buy anything, what's the problem? Maybe we'll actually see some real improvements in the coming months to Dust now that CCP realizes there's still potential seen in this game by the consumers.
I don't mind them adding new items, but at least in my opinion I already know the direction the game is heading and its sad to see CCP still trying to milk it after the screwed the player base once already.
CCP Has Royally screwed the Dust 514 Community
Dust to dust, ash to ash
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION
630
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:32:00 -
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CRYPT3C W0LF wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:I suppose you'd rather we just stick to a stagnating game with nothing to look forward to? These changes don't effect you unless you want them to. Those basic BPO's don't make a difference in combat, and those respecs aren't going to buy skill for going into FoTM gear if that's what you're worried about. Most of the vets have more than enough SP unallocated to spec into whatever they want anyways, those are the ones you've actually got to worry about.
So, CCP is actually making some money on Dust, so what? They are a company, their goal isn't to give out free stuff, it's to make money, and if the majority of the fanbase is happy with that and aren't forced to buy anything, what's the problem? Maybe we'll actually see some real improvements in the coming months to Dust now that CCP realizes there's still potential seen in this game by the consumers. I don't mind them adding new items, but at least in my opinion I already know the direction the game is heading and its sad to see CCP still trying to milk it after the screwed the player base once already.
If your so hurt, show CCP by stopping playing
Otherwise, it's a business to make money. The game is better than it's ever been and as much as I despise respecs it's not going to end the world. BPO militia suits and weapons have existed since release and people have been using them since then as well, including myself. |
Maken Tosch
Dust University Ivy League
9949
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:32:00 -
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CRYPT3C W0LF wrote:Respecs and BPO suits? Really? It just goes to show you have far dust has gone down :(
Well, considering there is not going to be a secondary economy to wreck as a result of BPOs in Dust and all. Besides, the BPOs are not too powerful anyways and you can still get the ISK equivalents (consumable of course) which will clearly become more affordable to the new player with the incoming sell-back-to-NPC feature.
Respecs? Well... I've been against them primarily because I grew up with the mentality that players should learn to make do with what they got despite the changes made to them. But that's just me.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
Dust University Ivy League
9949
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:40:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:I suppose you'd rather we just stick to a stagnating game with nothing to look forward to? These changes don't effect you unless you want them to. Those basic BPO's don't make a difference in combat, and those respecs aren't going to buy skill for going into FoTM gear if that's what you're worried about. Most of the vets have more than enough SP unallocated to spec into whatever they want anyways, those are the ones you've actually got to worry about.
So, CCP is actually making some money on Dust, so what? They are a company, their goal isn't to give out free stuff, it's to make money, and if the majority of the fanbase is happy with that and aren't forced to buy anything, what's the problem? Maybe we'll actually see some real improvements in the coming months to Dust now that CCP realizes there's still potential seen in this game by the consumers.
Despite that I don't like respecs, I have to agree with you here.
First and foremost, CCP is a company. They need to make money to support development of Dust, Legion, Eve Online, and Valkyrie. If BPOs and boosters have proven to be a real money maker for CCP, then so be it. If respecs become a success as well in addition to the incoming Market Agent, more power to them which equals more resources for Dust and possibly Legion. Besides, I'm looking forward to Legion more than Dust and I will support CCP by purchasing AUR through Dust and via subscriptions for Eve Online.
And you are correct to assume that there are a growing number of vets who are just dogpiling their unallocated SP for whenever the next shiny comes around and I also agree that SP alone doesn't equate to player experience.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
4440
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:46:00 -
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I think it's worth noting here that DUST purchases support DUST.
There's definitely people complaining about some things marketed for AUR because they want them, but do not want to spend money. The thing is, if AUR items are not appealing, if you don't want them, they're not going to make CCP enough money to sustain the game. AUR items need to be compelling, they need to be very desirable. The important thing, is that AUR items do not allow players to be superior to players taking the ISK-only path.
Note that in 1.9, in addition to respecs, CCP is boosting SP gain in general, which helps reduce the power and effectiveness of respecs: It's easier to get SP natively in general than it was before.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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jace silencerww
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.11.02 00:58:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I think it's worth noting here that DUST purchases support DUST.
There's definitely people complaining about some things marketed for AUR because they want them, but do not want to spend money. The thing is, if AUR items are not appealing, if you don't want them, they're not going to make CCP enough money to sustain the game. AUR items need to be compelling, they need to be very desirable. The important thing, is that AUR items do not allow players to be superior to players taking the ISK-only path.
Note that in 1.9, in addition to respecs, CCP is boosting SP gain in general, which helps reduce the power and effectiveness of respecs: It's easier to get SP natively in general than it was before. but I have old bpos I never use and wanted the aurum back when dust 514 changed from chrome to now but they did not do what they made it sound like. when I asked about it they said that was only for an account reset. I would have lost all my sp weapons and everything but would have got all my bpos turned to aurum. so now the market is coming I CAN NOT sell my bpos back for aurum but isk. I have plenty of isk along with most vets due to the PC crap that took CCP about 6-9 months to fix. |
Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:04:00 -
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dont worry op, only noobs will buy respecs and bpos.
Soraya Xel wrote:I think it's worth noting here that DUST purchases support DUST.
There's definitely people complaining about some things marketed for AUR because they want them, but do not want to spend money. The thing is, if AUR items are not appealing, if you don't want them, they're not going to make CCP enough money to sustain the game. AUR items need to be compelling, they need to be very desirable. The important thing, is that AUR items do not allow players to be superior to players taking the ISK-only path.
Note that in 1.9, in addition to respecs, CCP is boosting SP gain in general, which helps reduce the power and effectiveness of respecs: It's easier to get SP natively in general than it was before.
alot of people (myself included) probably abstained from spending money because they were hoping the game would become good enough and switch over to a subscription model. paying money in a f2p game is for kids who have access to mommy and daddys credit card. i like dust, but i would never spend money on this until some big changes are made.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:11:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:dont worry op, only noobs will buy respecs and bpos. Soraya Xel wrote:I think it's worth noting here that DUST purchases support DUST.
There's definitely people complaining about some things marketed for AUR because they want them, but do not want to spend money. The thing is, if AUR items are not appealing, if you don't want them, they're not going to make CCP enough money to sustain the game. AUR items need to be compelling, they need to be very desirable. The important thing, is that AUR items do not allow players to be superior to players taking the ISK-only path.
Note that in 1.9, in addition to respecs, CCP is boosting SP gain in general, which helps reduce the power and effectiveness of respecs: It's easier to get SP natively in general than it was before. alot of people (myself included) probably abstained from spending money because they were hoping the game would become good enough and switch over to a subscription model once the games quality was on par with eve. that never happened. paying money in a f2p game is for kids who have access to mommy and daddys credit card.i like dust, but i would never spend money on this until some big changes are made. and legion effectively made the chance of certain people buy aurum effectively zero. Are you a butthurt kid that doesn't get allowance, or an adult that is acting like a butthurt kid that doesn't get allowance?
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
2300
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:26:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote: alot of people (myself included) probably abstained from spending money because they were hoping the game would become good enough and switch over to a subscription model once the games quality was on par with eve. that never happened. paying money in a f2p game is for kids who have access to mommy and daddys credit card. i like dust, but i would never spend money on this until some big changes are made. and legion effectively made the chance of certain people buy aurum effectively zero. This make very little sense mate.
"I wish this game was subscription!" and in the next sentence that "I would never spend money on the game!" I understand that you are saying that the game doesn't warrant your money but you are more focused on the model by which the game makes money from the players rather the fact that the game "is not worth it." So a subscription game is fine but only "mommy and daddy's credit card" is used for a free to play game...
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5129
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:33:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:dont worry op, only noobs will buy respecs and bpos. Soraya Xel wrote:I think it's worth noting here that DUST purchases support DUST.
There's definitely people complaining about some things marketed for AUR because they want them, but do not want to spend money. The thing is, if AUR items are not appealing, if you don't want them, they're not going to make CCP enough money to sustain the game. AUR items need to be compelling, they need to be very desirable. The important thing, is that AUR items do not allow players to be superior to players taking the ISK-only path.
Note that in 1.9, in addition to respecs, CCP is boosting SP gain in general, which helps reduce the power and effectiveness of respecs: It's easier to get SP natively in general than it was before. alot of people (myself included) probably abstained from spending money because they were hoping the game would become good enough and switch over to a subscription model once the games quality was on par with eve. that never happened. paying money in a f2p game is for kids who have access to mommy and daddys credit card. i like dust, but i would never spend money on this until some big changes are made. and legion effectively made the chance of certain people buy aurum effectively zero.
I think most non-idiots understand that f2p still needs to create revenue. It saddens me that there are people that are stupid enough to think companies would make a game that doesn't create revenue but continue to develop it. You have to be a special kind of stupid to look down on people who support the game you enjoy.
You should just say thank you and go on to some other topic.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1331
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:35:00 -
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Why is this still an issue ??? You people that keep bringing this up keep acting like it's gamebreaking and speaking of that their suppose to be bug fixes in this patch as well and to me it's the best patch since the racial suits dropped , oh yeah ... it's the only patch since then and it's chalked up with goodies for everyone .
Yes , what happened at FF was a shame but current mood is that CCP is actually listening to the community and Rattati is on a mission to make this game the way that it's suppose to be and to me , that's a great thing .
Why complain about a better environment .?. because your against respec's ... how shortsighted are you .?. and on top of that the community was clamoring for a respec as well and this is a even ground in meeting with the response .
If your against respec's then don't pay for one , believe me others will and if your complaining about FOTM , is known that a respec has never stopped those who chose to from acquiring FOTM so that lame excuse is thrown right out of the window , if anything competition is going to be a hell of a lot better because people will have no excuse as to why they cant do good because they will actually have a hand in the development of their character , I mean .. what the frack is wrong with change for the betterment of the community and actually compromising with all parties involved for better competition and a much better environment .
People like to have fun you know and this will not seem like so much of a grind now for those who had that complaint in the past and the NPE should be much easier on the newbee's if the academy experience gets the attention that deserved but the changes that will come will be a much needed cushion to the newer crowd .
Also now you will have a ranking system , which a lot have clamored for ... for sometime now .
Things are much better then they were and if you can't see that and you still want to live in the past and not allow second chances , then what are you here for .?. I don't think we need a negative attitude , most of us have gotten past that point now and like someone else said , " If your still bitter , then the best thing to do is just disassociate yourself from this who environment and make yourself feel a lot better " , because like I said , most of us have gotten past that point and if the situation has changed for the better , then who are we to question that ?
Why question a better situation ?
Also , balance is so much better now and it's still a work in progress so soon it will be complete and other issues can get the attention deserved and the whole issue of having issues will get resolved , for the most part ...it's hard to put a finger on what's FOTM at the moment and I wish you people would just stop with these same lame propagandized excuses .
I think that those times are over with as well , welcome to the New Dust 514 , don't like it ... there are so many other games that you could play now , so you do have choices .
Take advantage of them and stop trying to garner contempt .
Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5744
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:57:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:I suppose you'd rather we just stick to a stagnating game with nothing to look forward to? These changes don't effect you unless you want them to. Those basic BPO's don't make a difference in combat, and those respecs aren't going to buy skill for going into FoTM gear if that's what you're worried about. Most of the vets have more than enough SP unallocated to spec into whatever they want anyways, those are the ones you've actually got to worry about.
So, CCP is actually making some money on Dust, so what? They are a company, their goal isn't to give out free stuff, it's to make money, and if the majority of the fanbase is happy with that and aren't forced to buy anything, what's the problem? Maybe we'll actually see some real improvements in the coming months to Dust now that CCP realizes there's still potential seen in this game by the consumers. WTF is that suppose to mean? Should we start expecting officer weapons to go on the market for AUR soon just so CCP can make some money for there company. On Nov 4th we are going to see triple stacking boosters where a player can pay to progress 3 times faster than a free player. In any other game if you are able to get something that much faster than a free player can that would be call pay to win. CCP has the right to make money, but that does not make there decisions correct. Look at EVE and incarana CCP trying to make money for the company but just completely ignoring its playerbase.
I have been playing this game since the first day of the private beta and the on thing that will make me quit this gamer faster than anything else is making it P2W and CCP is currently walking very close to that line with triple stacking boosters.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
4582
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Posted - 2014.11.02 02:47:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:alot of people (myself included) probably abstained from spending money because they were hoping the game would become good enough and switch over to a subscription model once the games quality was on par with eve.
I don't think the idea of this game going to subscription model has ever been considered.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Protocake JR
USA Caucasians
1512
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Posted - 2014.11.02 03:56:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:I suppose you'd rather we just stick to a stagnating game with nothing to look forward to? These changes don't effect you unless you want them to. Those basic BPO's don't make a difference in combat, and those respecs aren't going to buy skill for going into FoTM gear if that's what you're worried about. Most of the vets have more than enough SP unallocated to spec into whatever they want anyways, those are the ones you've actually got to worry about.
So, CCP is actually making some money on Dust, so what? They are a company, their goal isn't to give out free stuff, it's to make money, and if the majority of the fanbase is happy with that and aren't forced to buy anything, what's the problem? Maybe we'll actually see some real improvements in the coming months to Dust now that CCP realizes there's still potential seen in this game by the consumers. WTF is that suppose to mean? Should we start expecting officer weapons to go on the market for AUR soon just so CCP can make some money for there company. On Nov 4th we are going to see triple stacking boosters where a player can pay to progress 3 times faster than a free player. In any other game if you are able to get something that much faster than a free player can that would be call pay to win. CCP has the right to make money, but that does not make there decisions correct. Look at EVE and incarana CCP trying to make money for the company but just completely ignoring its playerbase. CCP can make money but there needs to be a limit of what they are allowed to get away with. I have been playing this game since the first day of the private beta and the one thing that will make me quit this gamer faster than anything else is making it P2W and CCP is currently walking very close to that line with triple stacking boosters. Respecs have barely anything to do with P2W, If you are against P2W you would be against triple stacking boosters because that is the real problem.
Hardly p2w at all. Getting max skills through boosters doesn't make you any stronger than a free player with max skills.
CCP sells convenience. That's all this is. And it's about time CCP started treating Aurum purchasers better. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5746
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Posted - 2014.11.02 04:03:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:I suppose you'd rather we just stick to a stagnating game with nothing to look forward to? These changes don't effect you unless you want them to. Those basic BPO's don't make a difference in combat, and those respecs aren't going to buy skill for going into FoTM gear if that's what you're worried about. Most of the vets have more than enough SP unallocated to spec into whatever they want anyways, those are the ones you've actually got to worry about.
So, CCP is actually making some money on Dust, so what? They are a company, their goal isn't to give out free stuff, it's to make money, and if the majority of the fanbase is happy with that and aren't forced to buy anything, what's the problem? Maybe we'll actually see some real improvements in the coming months to Dust now that CCP realizes there's still potential seen in this game by the consumers. WTF is that suppose to mean? Should we start expecting officer weapons to go on the market for AUR soon just so CCP can make some money for there company. On Nov 4th we are going to see triple stacking boosters where a player can pay to progress 3 times faster than a free player. In any other game if you are able to get something that much faster than a free player can that would be call pay to win. CCP has the right to make money, but that does not make there decisions correct. Look at EVE and incarana CCP trying to make money for the company but just completely ignoring its playerbase. CCP can make money but there needs to be a limit of what they are allowed to get away with. I have been playing this game since the first day of the private beta and the one thing that will make me quit this gamer faster than anything else is making it P2W and CCP is currently walking very close to that line with triple stacking boosters. Respecs have barely anything to do with P2W, If you are against P2W you would be against triple stacking boosters because that is the real problem. Hardly p2w at all. Getting max skills through boosters doesn't make you any stronger than a free player with max skills. CCP sells convenience. That's all this is. And it's about time CCP started treating Aurum purchasers better.
It's a large advantage over those who don't pay, getting the same amount of SP in one week by buying boosters that it would take someone 4 weeks to get without buying boosters.
That's like buying an AUR officer weapon and saying it is acceptable because free players can grind for longer and get it for free from salvage. Would selling officer weapons for AUR be okay just because you get them faster and it is more convent yet players can get them from salvage.
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Protocake JR
USA Caucasians
1512
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Posted - 2014.11.02 05:07:00 -
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That wouldn't be fair at all.. but it's not the same thing. Officer gear loot drops are pretty random. SP is not. However if, lets say, a 20 aurum purchase gave you a random officer gear loot roll, that wouldn't be as bad as straight but stocking 100s of Balacs.
If i'm a free player, and I get killed, there is no way of me knowing if the person boosted his SP gains or not. It doesn't matter. When I run all standard gear, I could be just another blueberry or a formidable player. There is no way for you to know, because it doesn't matter as much as you think it does.
Remember, players can only catch up with players with max skills. We are wider than we are tall. There is no advantage we get from this... oh wait, yes we do, fair competition. The more players that join the max core skill +proto club, the better. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5748
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Posted - 2014.11.02 05:19:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote: That wouldn't be fair at all.. but it's not the same thing. Officer gear loot drops are pretty random. SP is not. However if, lets say, a 20 aurum purchase gave you a random officer gear loot roll, that wouldn't be as bad as straight but stocking 100s of Balacs.
If i'm a free player, and I get killed, there is no way of me knowing if the person boosted his SP gains or not. It doesn't matter. When I run all standard gear, I could be just another blueberry or a formidable player. There is no way for you to know, because it doesn't matter as much as you think it does.
Remember, players can only catch up with players with max skills. We are wider than we are tall. There is no advantage we get from this... oh wait, yes we do, fair competition. The more players that join the max core skill +proto club, the better.
In the first paragraph you said it would not be fair if people got an advantage by buying officer gear. Then you go on in a second paragraph to say it's fair because no one knows you are doing it so it's not a big deal. Could we not say the same thing about officer weapons if bought for AUR. They could be bought for AUR they could be salvaged, just because no one knows makes it fair?
Fair competition you say. This will just isolate the already thin new player base even further. The people just testing this game out will not want to spend money on it before they get a good feel for it. Then other with a lot of money pay to get max skill this will eliminate middle ground or a transition period from new player to vet. when you have people just starting out getting a feel for the game and then you have people who have boosted so far where they have maxed out there suits and core skills because they have a lot of money. People will get proto even faster by paying for it and new players who are just joining this game will get stomped on harder by a bigger crowd just because one had money to advance quickly and the other did not.
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Protocake JR
USA Caucasians
1512
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Posted - 2014.11.02 06:13:00 -
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About the Officer gear hypothetical, I should have made it more clear that the issue with buying it with aurum is the potential for people being able to run officer gear 24/7. So the problem for a free player becomes, an increased number of Officer gear to compete against. But this is a "made up" problem; it doesn't exist. So you can take this hypothetical in any direction and make it sound as good or bad as you want. So as I stated before, buying Officer gear is not the same is buying booster packs.
I guess we'll just have to see when we get there. None of us really know what is going to happen. And since Dust 514 has been a failure since release day, it should be clear that the old ways are not working. Things need to change, new ideas outside the box, and focus on what's fun, like unlocking things quicker. EVE & Dust has this ****** up sense of balance. Truth is, rather than making the game lolsohardcore, it becomes unappealing for most potential players. Grinding the same game modes, for months, to get core skills and gear leveled up, so that you can compete with players who already have "max everything" is not fun.
They are closing the gap, even for free players. And I'm glad Ratatti (spelling?) and friends are turing this ship in a newer direction. It's what this game needs. |
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