Yeah, I get that we're in the same universe.

What I'm saying is this:

The dynamics that work in a third person RTS game are quite different from those that work in first person shooters.

With respect to the question at hand, you can't make a comparison to high-level Eve lore and extend that to nerfing the RR in CQC.

Well I guess you can, but that doesn't mean it will work out.

And we'll see how this one works out, I suppose....and I do believe that Rattati will get it right.

Okay. You have everything confused.
Eve is not an RTS game. Just because it's a point and click doesn't make it an RTS game.

And the races and technology are the same between Eve and Dust. So the same lore should apply.

Gallente: Close range, fast and armor repper tankers
Caldari: Long range and Shield tankers
Amarr: Slow but extreme armor tankers. Deadly when together.
Minmatar: Dual tankers or whatever you want them to be.

C'mon boyo i tried that and that weapon is fine, honestly nobody even ambushed me through whole game CQC style.
RR is fine and honestly it was never made like AR for medium2close range.
If you run for that use CB or AR (GLU is awesome)
Or ARR

Don't worry you no gun game fgts, there's still daddy ARR for you

If nobody ambushed you in CQC, how can you say anything about the nerf?

It was already weakest in CQC before the nerf. It's far and away worse today.

I already use the AR and scrambler pistols in CQC, and I assure you I've used the ARR more than you or anyone else in this thread.

Frankly, the recent change won't do a single thing to my playstyle.

I feel for those who were using the weapon before.

I guess the numbers will tell.....but the proto RR is virtually useless now in CQC against any competent opponent.

Someone just mentioned to me in squad chat that the lower level RRs kick less. I'm going to play some more after this PC.

The issue at hand is the hipfire kick on the ARR being so high that it suffers in cqc where it is supposed to shine.

If we are talking pre-1.7 then yes. Because the Assault (Plasma) Rifle was the only Rifle in the game at that time.

Its Caldari weapon and thats mean weapon for ranged combat (long2medium range).
Check lore Caldari have same thignie with ships aswell

Its Caldari weapon and thats mean weapon for ranged combat (long2medium range).
Check lore Caldari have same thignie with ships aswell

That doesn't mean all of their weapons are long-range.

Notable examples in DUST would be Nova Knives (the shortest ranged weapon in DUST 514), Missile Turrets (the shortest ranged turrets in DUST, barring 20GJ Blasters), and Swarm Launchers (shortest ranged AV weapons).

So in this thread we got people pointing out that the Rail Rifle got a hip fire nerf and now they can't CQC with it.

Rattati comented with a balsy reply that made me giggle



And you still see people in the thread defending the RR like it was the most precious thing ever.

It's true that the RR has been a little OP compared to the other rifles.
-Accurate
-Great at CQC
-Strong hitting
-Great at ranges

The only function that was nerf was their CQC capabilities. It could own any suit in CQC as easily as it could in a ranged fight. And that is not balanced.

Now if you are a Caldari loyalist and want some CQC power. Then you can use the Magsec SMG or ARR. That's what they are there for.

No longer will the RR reign supreme Rifle.

Thank you Rattati o7

then maybe they should give the old standard hipfire to the assault and leave the rr as is?

then you can chooses cqc or range. that seems fair.