DUST Search - Rail Rifle nerf lol

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

postapo wastelander wrote:

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

So in this thread we got people pointing out that the Rail Rifle got a hip fire nerf and now they can't CQC with it.

Rattati comented with a balsy reply that made me giggle

CCP Rattati wrote:

I hope it worked, because the numbers I was looking at today were worse than I thought, the RR has been OP for far too long, eluding me like a hobbit

And you still see people in the thread defending the RR like it was the most precious thing ever.

It's true that the RR has been a little OP compared to the other rifles.
-Accurate
-Great at CQC
-Strong hitting
-Great at ranges

The only function that was nerf was their CQC capabilities. It could own any suit in CQC as easily as it could in a ranged fight. And that is not balanced.

Now if you are a Caldari loyalist and want some CQC power. Then you can use the Magsec SMG or ARR. That's what they are there for.

No longer will the RR reign supreme Rifle.

Thank you Rattati o7

I tried it just few minutes ago and there is my statement matee boyo Blink

I tried it out too and it seems fine to me.
Went 24/4 on that match.

People complaining about it must be using it to zerg rush an objective and pick enemies off from long range.

Caldari weaponry are for medium to long range. If you want to go Toe-To-Toe with an AR user with the RR then you should be punished because AR should excel at close range.

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Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 413	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote So in this thread we got people pointing out that the Rail Rifle got a hip fire nerf and now they can't CQC with it. Rattati comented with a balsy reply that made me giggle CCP Rattati wrote: I hope it worked, because the numbers I was looking at today were worse than I thought, the RR has been OP for far too long, eluding me like a hobbit And you still see people in the thread defending the RR like it was the most precious thing ever. It's true that the RR has been a little OP compared to the other rifles. -Accurate -Great at CQC -Strong hitting -Great at ranges The only function that was nerf was their CQC capabilities. It could own any suit in CQC as easily as it could in a ranged fight. And that is not balanced. Now if you are a Caldari loyalist and want some CQC power. Then you can use the Magsec SMG or ARR. That's what they are there for. No longer will the RR reign supreme Rifle. Thank you Rattati o7 Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Atiim 13202	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:55:00 - [2] - Quote The Rail Rifle has never reigned supreme. That title used to belong to the Assault Rifle, but was then handed down to the Combat Rifle in Uprising 1.7. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 414	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:00:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Rail Rifle has never reigned supreme. That title used to belong to the Assault Rifle, but was then handed down to the Combat Rifle in Uprising 1.7. If we are talking pre-1.7 then yes. Because the Assault (Plasma) Rifle was the only Rifle in the game at that time. I never had a vendetta against RR's except that they were too good at CQC for them to also be a long ranged weapon. And I almost never get killed by Combat Rifles nowadays. All I see is people using HMGs and RR's in my killsfeed. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:01:00 - [4] - Quote Don't worry you no gun game fgts, there's still daddy ARR for you Take a bow
Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 241	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:14:00 - [5] - Quote Lol. The RR never reigned supreme. People like you will cry about any gun if they are killed by it enough. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 414	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:17:00 - [6] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: Lol. The RR never reigned supreme. People like you will cry about any gun if they are killed by it enough. Lol read what I said. Only problem I had with the RR was it's CQC capability. Other than that, if I get killed by one from long range, I know I had it coming to me. Just like when a Laser Rifle kills me from long range. Annoying? Yes. Did I had it coming for not moving to cover fast enough? Yes. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1463	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:33:00 - [7] - Quote lol kil urself
Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 241	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:42:00 - [8] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: Lol. The RR never reigned supreme. People like you will cry about any gun if they are killed by it enough. Lol read what I said. Only problem I had with the RR was it's CQC capability. Other than that, if I get killed by one from long range, I know I had it coming to me. Just like when a Laser Rifle kills me from long range. Annoying? Yes. Did I had it coming for not moving to cover fast enough? Yes. I apologize What bothers me is that the what rattati said about the RR. On the contrary, it hasn't been OP in a long time. Maybe 6-7 months ago, but not anymore. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 125	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:47:00 - [9] - Quote Still not as good of an update, as precision weapons nearly always are hard to use in CQC, short, and medium ranges in reality. Good thing. CQC is down for the rail, but not completely and not for other precision weapons. Short and medium ranges aren't challenging for all precision weapons either. People that can't achieve greatness without exploitation don't deserve to exist. Enroll in scout erradication today.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 455	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:53:00 - [10] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: So in this thread we got people pointing out that the Rail Rifle got a hip fire nerf and now they can't CQC with it. Rattati comented with a balsy reply that made me giggle CCP Rattati wrote: I hope it worked, because the numbers I was looking at today were worse than I thought, the RR has been OP for far too long, eluding me like a hobbit And you still see people in the thread defending the RR like it was the most precious thing ever. It's true that the RR has been a little OP compared to the other rifles. -Accurate -Great at CQC -Strong hitting -Great at ranges The only function that was nerf was their CQC capabilities. It could own any suit in CQC as easily as it could in a ranged fight. And that is not balanced. Now if you are a Caldari loyalist and want some CQC power. Then you can use the Magsec SMG or ARR. That's what they are there for. No longer will the RR reign supreme Rifle. Thank you Rattati o7 I tried it just few minutes ago and there is my statement matee boyo "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"

Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 415	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:05:00 - [11] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: So in this thread we got people pointing out that the Rail Rifle got a hip fire nerf and now they can't CQC with it. Rattati comented with a balsy reply that made me giggle CCP Rattati wrote: I hope it worked, because the numbers I was looking at today were worse than I thought, the RR has been OP for far too long, eluding me like a hobbit And you still see people in the thread defending the RR like it was the most precious thing ever. It's true that the RR has been a little OP compared to the other rifles. -Accurate -Great at CQC -Strong hitting -Great at ranges The only function that was nerf was their CQC capabilities. It could own any suit in CQC as easily as it could in a ranged fight. And that is not balanced. Now if you are a Caldari loyalist and want some CQC power. Then you can use the Magsec SMG or ARR. That's what they are there for. No longer will the RR reign supreme Rifle. Thank you Rattati o7 I tried it just few minutes ago and there is my statement matee boyo I tried it out too and it seems fine to me. Went 24/4 on that match. People complaining about it must be using it to zerg rush an objective and pick enemies off from long range. Caldari weaponry are for medium to long range. If you want to go Toe-To-Toe with an AR user with the RR then you should be punished because AR should excel at close range. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 456	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:11:00 - [12] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: So in this thread we got people pointing out that the Rail Rifle got a hip fire nerf and now they can't CQC with it. Rattati comented with a balsy reply that made me giggle CCP Rattati wrote: I hope it worked, because the numbers I was looking at today were worse than I thought, the RR has been OP for far too long, eluding me like a hobbit And you still see people in the thread defending the RR like it was the most precious thing ever. It's true that the RR has been a little OP compared to the other rifles. -Accurate -Great at CQC -Strong hitting -Great at ranges The only function that was nerf was their CQC capabilities. It could own any suit in CQC as easily as it could in a ranged fight. And that is not balanced. Now if you are a Caldari loyalist and want some CQC power. Then you can use the Magsec SMG or ARR. That's what they are there for. No longer will the RR reign supreme Rifle. Thank you Rattati o7 I tried it just few minutes ago and there is my statement matee boyo I tried it out too and it seems fine to me. Went 24/4 on that match. People complaining about it must be using it to zerg rush an objective and pick enemies off from long range. Caldari weaponry are for medium to long range. If you want to go Toe-To-Toe with an AR user with the RR then you should be punished because AR should excel at close range. Yup basicaly how you said. They basicaly forgot LORE behind it and sence for balanced gameplay and armory variation. Caldari - Long/medium prefered tech, support shield tech, overal race for ranged combat (swarms and rails). I dont know, i was possitiove even against boyo in proto suit with GLU. Need to know i dont spec on this alt in RR and i used mlt. one. Overall RR fine in my eyes "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 66	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:34:00 - [13] - Quote As a almost completely Caldari user the nerf was coming. How can you defend a weapon that does just as well at 60m then 5m. That's not balanced and it finally gives the ARR a meaning. What excuse can you give to defend a weapon which is good at everything? Most of the time you can catch them 20m away in ads rather than having to resort to Hipfire if your extra aware of your surroundings
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2693	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:38:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Rail Rifle has never reigned supreme. That title used to belong to the Assault Rifle, but was then handed down to the Combat Rifle in Uprising 1.7. And now its back to the Breach Assault Rifle "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1868	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:49:00 - [15] - Quote Gav and Tim get it. The RR was already irrelevant before this nerf. If the RR was overused before, after this nerf and respecs, it will certaily no longer remain so.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 415	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:51:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: The Rail Rifle has never reigned supreme. That title used to belong to the Assault Rifle, but was then handed down to the Combat Rifle in Uprising 1.7. And now its back to the Breach Assault Rifle -shivers- Not those days again. I still have nightmares of they days that the CreoDron Breach AR killed me in less than 5 shots Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1868	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:52:00 - [17] - Quote What you completely missed is it's already better when compared to the RR (outside the far end of its range), and it was so even before this nerf.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2063	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:54:00 - [18] - Quote The issue at hand is the hipfire kick on the ARR being so high that it suffers in cqc where it is supposed to shine. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 415	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:54:00 - [19] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: What you completely missed is it's already better when compared to the RR, and it was before this nerf. I have noticed that they are starting to melt people rather fast now. A slight nerf to it's damage should do it good. I don't want that rifle to reign supreme again because bringing back those days would be horrible. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1868	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:56:00 - [20] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The issue at hand is the hipfire kick on the ARR being so high that it suffers in cqc where it is supposed to shine. Indeed, this has always been the shortcoming of the ARR. At least they gave it a bit of a hipfire accuracy and damage buff. TBH, I didn't notice any difference.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1868	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:58:00 - [21] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: I don't want that rifle to reign supreme again because bringing back those days would be horrible. IMO, along with the boundless CR, it already does. Not sure what substantive change to the CR that today's update made (I heard hipfire dispersion nerf), but I believe the BrAR was untouched. Which is cool, as I (and others) have been using it for a while now. Still can't get over the changes to the RR today, or our differing viewpoint on them.... Hell, I never even used the regular RR any more except in the situation where I needed to get at someone at the edge of its range, but now it's so ridiculously bad in CQC (at least to my eyes/hands) I think I'm honestly better off going straight to a sidearm (and dying a second later to one of the other rifles when I can't out DPS him). But I have to play around some more..... Don't want to jump to any premature conclusions....
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 466	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:05:00 - [22] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: I don't want that rifle to reign supreme again because bringing back those days would be horrible. IMO, along with the boundless CR, it already does. Not sure what substantive change to the CR that today's update made (I heard hipfire dispersion nerf), but I believe the BrAR was untouched. Which is cool, as I (and others) have been using it for a while now. Still can't get over the changes to the RR today, or our differing viewpoint on them.... Hell, I never even used the regular RR any more except in the situation where I needed to get at someone at the edge of its range, but now it's so ridiculously bad in CQC (at least to my eyes/hands) I think I'm honestly better off going straight to a sidearm (and dying a second later to one of the other rifles when I can't out DPS him). But I have to play around some more..... Don't want to jump to any premature conclusions.... Its Caldari weapon and thats mean weapon for ranged combat (long2medium range). Check lore Caldari have same thignie with ships aswell "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1868	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:13:00 - [23] - Quote This isn't Eve, boyo.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 467	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:14:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: This isn't Eve, boyo. You joking right?! Caldari is race who prefering heavy, shielding and really kicking long ranged weaponary "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 416	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:17:00 - [25] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: This isn't Eve, boyo. This is EVE: Dust 514 ....... Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13896	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:17:00 - [26] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: This isn't Eve, boyo. It's not EVE but that guys who built those ships, and those missiles, and those rail guns, and colonised those planets, and contracted you to fight your battles, and paid you your ISK, etc. Who named our officer weapons, etc. Built your Rail Rifles, and Scrambler Pistols, and HMGs. They built and sold you your dropsuits and tanks, etc. It's not EVE but you exist in the same world and you take your lead from EVE....the one aspect of the franchise that IS SUCCESSFUL. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1868	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:18:00 - [27] - Quote The dynamics that work in a third person RTS game are quite different from those that work in first person shooters.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13898	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:21:00 - [28] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Yeah, I get that we're in the same universe. What I'm saying is this: The dynamics that work in a third person RTS game are quite different from those that work in first person shooters. With respect to the question at hand, you can't make a comparison to high-level Eve lore and extend that to nerfing the RR in CQC. Well I guess you can, but that doesn't mean it will work out. We'll see how this one works out, I suppose.... They do not have to be that fundamentally different. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 416	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:22:00 - [29] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Yeah, I get that we're in the same universe. What I'm saying is this: The dynamics that work in a third person RTS game are quite different from those that work in first person shooters. With respect to the question at hand, you can't make a comparison to high-level Eve lore and extend that to nerfing the RR in CQC. Well I guess you can, but that doesn't mean it will work out. We'll see how this one works out, I suppose.... Okay. You have everything confused. Eve is not an RTS game. Just because it's a point and click doesn't make it an RTS game. And the races and technology are the same between Eve and Dust. So the same lore should apply. Gallente: Close range, fast and armor repper tankers Caldari: Long range and Shield tankers Amarr: Slow but extreme armor tankers. Deadly when together. Minmatar: Dual tankers or whatever you want them to be. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1868	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:23:00 - [30] - Quote Agreed. But the impact of a weapon at close range in Eve is quite different from what happens in the same situation in Dust. I suppose there's always a sidearm.



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