I like both of them so far it has limited their CQC ability nicely but they are still powerful and accurate in ADS
It makes the Assault RR a better choice in close range fights... and will hopefully..

Have CCP condsider a Bolt Pistol variant (iron sights, better RoF, less dmg) ???

I think you guys on the CPM that are trying to curve the weapon into a role. As a caldari player, there is no point for me to run up and hack an objective if I have to turn around and run 30m away so I can shot at the enemy.

You guys been riding the Rail Riffle hate since it came out the door and forced a overnerf.

I still prefer the old ARR now, with the lower damage and mag size, I'd trade the "buff" for the old ARR hip fire. After a few shots, the weapon goes from anti infantry to anti aircraft.

So instead of simply being able to enter a room to hack a point I should have to run back to a supply depot to grab an assault rail rifle and/or magsec? How is this not the laser rifle problem (y'know the reason that weapon rarely ever sees actual play?)

It's almost like you're missing the point on purpose.

I tried the RR today, and I say this as someone who HATES the RR and am glad to see it be nerfed, I think it went a bit too far. I have 1 level in the weapon from when 1.7 came out, and after trying it out (I tried it again a few weeks ago and hated it) it seemed almost not worth using just because I can't reliably use it in CQC. I hear the assault variant is worth using, but with such an inverse effectiveness/range ratio, it seems like a laser rifle, but without the cool damage or inherent cache of lasers.

I ran into a proto Cal Logi, and he started shooting at me, and after 2 seconds, he just decided to cloak up and try to run away. I chased him down and shot him dead, but the engagement took many seconds, and he didn't bother to fight back. I saw a few more examples after that as well. It is one thing to go into a fight and know you have an advantage, it's another to say "I WILL win this fight" because you know they are incapable of meaningful retaliation. I suppose it is the inverse of what I experience at range with my blaster rifles, but it kinda make me sad to see that poor logi just give up. I think the change is good, and I like how well it seems to work, but I dislike the extent to witch it happens. Perhaps nerf the max kick so that it only gets as bad as it does after around 20 rounds fired. Fire 15 rounds with fair accuracy, and at 20 it becomes bad and stays bad, but is not literally uncontrollable. Tone it down just enough so one's rounds go in the general direction of where one aims.

Also, the bolt pistol is FINE. Like the changes, and it feels good, and balanced compared with the to other pistols.

There's other, better ways to balance something than to straight up break the arms of anyone who in this case tries to hipfire it. Lower magazine size for example can drastically affect a weapons performance at CQC, instead of having extended fire durations break your spine and point you at the skybox.

Starting to feel like making flaylock / mass driver comparisons. Apparently the blind hatred for the RR greatly exceeds the desire to see balance done in reasonable measured steps. It's starting to sound a lot less like "This was a reasonable nerf" and a lot more like "I NEVER WANT TO SEE SOMEONE USE ONE OF THESE ****ING GUNS AGAIN".

I think Cal Sentinels , Logistics , Sniper Rifles , De-pleated shield time on the extenders , One or Two low slots on most fits and now the RR would disagree with you .

Gunnlogi and Cal dropships .

There's a difference between 'strong' and 'able to be used'. Yes the rail rifle needed tweaking - quadrupling the kick has overdone it.

The nerf to Rail Rifle hip fire was overdone. It went beyond making it difficult to use for hip fire and crossed the line into impossible to use from the hip. The kick is so great that it will quickly leave you looking at the skybox.

The kick needs to be toned down to a somewhat more manageable level so that in those emergency situations when you find yourself in CQC unexpectedly you have some chance to defend yourself.

So assuming caldari loadouts here (to get the most out of cal assault, and because each race should be using their respective weapons) we've got the bolt pistol with 4 shots and a crazy long chargeup... or we've got a magsec which has almost zero dispersion and really bad hit detection issues and it's also designed to be used at long ranges.

So... what sidearms should we be using? Or are we just supposed to use variant weapons all the time?