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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:21:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:People whining about respecs are like people whining about gay marriage, it doesnt hurt you at all, you dont have to do it, and you just sound like an *******.
It does hurt the game though. It affects the people you have to play against all using the same suit that is best for the current patch. No variation at all. How if they have the same option .
Not my fault if you don't take advantage of that and the way things are right now , there is no FOTM so what's the beef ???
Is it that people came together and made a sound decision that will help the development and those clamoring for a respec in the same stroke of the pen ?
I just don't get why are you against this other then you don't want the increased competition .
Who's fault is that ???
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Stevez Wingyip
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:22:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Stevez Wingyip wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:People whining about respecs are like people whining about gay marriage, it doesnt hurt you at all, you dont have to do it, and you just sound like an *******.
It does hurt the game though. It affects the people you have to play against all using the same suit that is best for the current patch. No variation at all. How if they have the same option . Not my fault if you don't take advantage of that and the way things are right now , there is no FOTM so what's the beef ??? Is it that people came together and made a sound decision that will help the development and those clamoring for a respec in the same stroke of the pen ? I just don't get why are you against this other then you don't want the increased competition . Who's fault is that ???
Because some people like me have spend over -ú200 on this game and really can't afford to spend more just to keep up :) I am sure others are in similar positions ;)
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION
2054
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Posted - 2014.10.28 17:31:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:My view is this is a wonderful middle ground: Yes, you can get a respec. But it is going to require you open your wallet. It helps support the game, and the cost being AUR-based is likely to prevent people from abusing it heavily. Agreed.
Also consider this; Dust is going to give way to Legion at some point (assuming its greenlit) And especially with the fact that Dust can in almost no discernible way affect Eve, respecs won't really hurt anything outside of Dust. Now once Legion comes out, I'm certain that there will be no respecs, but that's because Legion will have the potential to affect the Eve universe, and since it will be a fully developed game as opposed to what Dust is now, no respecs will make sense. As it stands, CCP can now give respecs easily, one of their chief complaints before; they can now more easily see what is FOTM (since everyone will be respeccing into it) and make adjustments, and it provides a really good source of income, seeing as half of GD is wanting respecs.
CCP made a good move.
Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17525
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:34:00 -
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For those of you wondering on the No answer; I was being very specific about 'giving' part.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1303
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Posted - 2014.10.28 18:49:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Stevez Wingyip wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:People whining about respecs are like people whining about gay marriage, it doesnt hurt you at all, you dont have to do it, and you just sound like an *******.
It does hurt the game though. It affects the people you have to play against all using the same suit that is best for the current patch. No variation at all. How if they have the same option . Not my fault if you don't take advantage of that and the way things are right now , there is no FOTM so what's the beef ??? Is it that people came together and made a sound decision that will help the development and those clamoring for a respec in the same stroke of the pen ? I just don't get why are you against this other then you don't want the increased competition . Who's fault is that ??? Because some people like me have spend over -ú200 on this game and really can't afford to spend more just to keep up :) I am sure others are in similar positions ;) I am too bro and I spend but not like I did before or around 1.7 but it's all the same and I'm like a lot and that's cash strapped but you know what , I'm willing to divert some of that so I can stop feeling slighted , stop feeling like I'm missing out because I've been at this game in the wrong way and that's trying to combat FOTM because I became gullible in listening to the forums instead of focusing on what I felt was important , realigning my SP's will fix that and change the whole environment for me and how I approach this game .
I'm sure there are those of us like you who are cash strapped and those like me who approached this totally wrong but you know what , I think CCP will take price into consideration and this will help solve both of our problems .
Complain about this but do you still spend money on BPO's , boosters and such ..?. , if so then you have no gripes .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION
2434
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:06:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:People whining about respecs are like people whining about gay marriage, it doesnt hurt you at all, you dont have to do it, and you just sound like an *******.
It does hurt the game though. It affects the people you have to play against all using the same suit that is best for the current patch. No variation at all. This.
Right now the kill feed is full of diversity. It makes DUST really interesting. You're going to see less of this after 1.9. DUST is nearly impossible to keep perfectly balanced. At the very least there should have been bigger penalties to respeccing: no ISK refunds for skill books, some loss of SP like 10-20%. It should be something done very rarely, with great forethought. At least I hope it's expensive (like $30-$50).
Best PvE idea ever!
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Stevez Wingyip
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:13:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Stevez Wingyip wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Stevez Wingyip wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:People whining about respecs are like people whining about gay marriage, it doesnt hurt you at all, you dont have to do it, and you just sound like an *******.
It does hurt the game though. It affects the people you have to play against all using the same suit that is best for the current patch. No variation at all. How if they have the same option . Not my fault if you don't take advantage of that and the way things are right now , there is no FOTM so what's the beef ??? Is it that people came together and made a sound decision that will help the development and those clamoring for a respec in the same stroke of the pen ? I just don't get why are you against this other then you don't want the increased competition . Who's fault is that ??? Because some people like me have spend over -ú200 on this game and really can't afford to spend more just to keep up :) I am sure others are in similar positions ;) I am too bro and I spend but not like I did before or around 1.7 but it's all the same and I'm like a lot and that's cash strapped but you know what , I'm willing to divert some of that so I can stop feeling slighted , stop feeling like I'm missing out because I've been at this game in the wrong way and that's trying to combat FOTM because I became gullible in listening to the forums instead of focusing on what I felt was important , realigning my SP's will fix that and change the whole environment for me and how I approach this game . I'm sure there are those of us like you who are cash strapped and those like me who approached this totally wrong but you know what , I think CCP will take price into consideration and this will help solve both of our problems . Complain about this but do you still spend money on BPO's , boosters and such ..?. , if so then you have no gripes .
Never bought AUR on this char, but I will be doing so for boosters. But that doesn't mean they are right, it means I feel I need to. I don't mind some pay purchases but I do at least feel the respecs should have a much higher penalty than a few mil isk. |
Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
6801
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Posted - 2014.10.28 19:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Players who berated those crying for respecs are now crying because there will be respecs, but seem to think that it matters considering how people would still have ample opportunity to use different gear in the first place.
But that's none of my business.
Personally, I'm against respecs on the fly and whenever you want in this manner - I support a bi-yearly (every six months) respec. What I don't understand, however, is the logic behind being totally against respecs; all that looks like in my mind is a sense of retaliation for someone speccing into the FotM. Which, essentially, there's nothing wrong with speccing into the FotM because this -is- a competitive game and obviously players are going to align with what is most apt for that competitive edge.
It's not a logical or rational stand-point, it's an emotional one and this game isn't the type to have emotional reasonings in it's balance spectrum. Respecs are necessary to keep the game feeling fresh and not shackling a player down to a feeling that they have to live with a mistake. However, in my opinion, respecs being available on the fly shouldn't be necessary to liberate a player from -understanding- that they made a mistake. An investment like SP shouldn't be something you can just wash away whenever you please or be a 'get out of jail free' card whenever the meta changes.
Likewise, however, a player shouldn't feel as though they should have to respec because their investment became mechanically broken somehow.
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Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment.
119
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:25:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Stevez Wingyip wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:People whining about respecs are like people whining about gay marriage, it doesnt hurt you at all, you dont have to do it, and you just sound like an *******.
It does hurt the game though. It affects the people you have to play against all using the same suit that is best for the current patch. No variation at all. This. Right now the kill feed is full of diversity. It makes DUST really interesting. You're going to see less of this after 1.9. DUST is nearly impossible to keep perfectly balanced. At the very least there should have been bigger penalties to respeccing: no ISK refunds for skill books, some loss of SP like 10-20%. It should be something done very rarely, with great forethought. At least I hope it's expensive (like $30-$50).
Yeah just like everyone is still using bolt pistol after the sidearm event was ov... oh wait they arent. Just like I predicted.
Im going to go ahead and predict something else now, everyone isnt going to spec flavor of the month after 1.9.
I have news for you, most people arent cunts, so they dont spec into something because its the absolute best thing in the game (as if anyone could even objectively figure out what that is). People spec into stuff because its COOL. People go vehicle and spec into tanks because they think driving a tank around is cool. People spec into Amar/scrambler because lasers are cool. People spec into scout because being a sneaky piece of **** is cool. People spec into Minmitar because duct tape is cool.
The only thing thats different is AV, people spec into AV because they hate themselves.
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Atiim
13238
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:54:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:People whining about respecs are like people whining about gay marriage, it doesnt hurt you at all, you dont have to do it, and you just sound like an *******.
It does hurt the game though. It affects the people you have to play against all using the same suit that is best for the current patch. No variation at all. That already happens without a respec.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4148
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Posted - 2014.10.29 19:50:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote: I have news for you, most people arent cunts, so they dont spec into something because its the absolute best thing in the game (as if anyone could even objectively figure out what that is). People spec into stuff because its COOL. People go vehicle and spec into tanks because they think driving a tank around is cool. People spec into Amar/scrambler because lasers are cool. People spec into scout because being a sneaky piece of **** is cool. People spec into Minmitar because duct tape is cool.
This about sums up my feelings on the matter. Just because a few of us (and by us, I mean everyone who is not me) are min/maxing sh*tlords doesn't mean the others in the world automatically are.
Quote: The only thing thats different is AV, people spec into AV because they hate themselves.
I specced into AV because I learned to hate tanks in chromosome.
I continue playing DUST because I hate myself. This is in fact the most likely reason for all of you as well.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Joel II X
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4126
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:53:00 -
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At least, you have to pay for them, which benefits everyone in one way or another.
The more money CCP makes, the longer Dust will stay alive, and the more resources they'll have to possibly keep it a dynamic project and fund the Legion you want and deserve. |
Joel II X
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4126
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote: I have news for you, most people arent cunts, so they dont spec into something because its the absolute best thing in the game (as if anyone could even objectively figure out what that is). People spec into stuff because its COOL. People go vehicle and spec into tanks because they think driving a tank around is cool. People spec into Amar/scrambler because lasers are cool. People spec into scout because being a sneaky piece of **** is cool. People spec into Minmitar because duct tape is cool.
This about sums up my feelings on the matter. Just because a few of us (and by us, I mean everyone who is not me) are min/maxing sh*tlords doesn't mean the others in the world automatically are. Quote: The only thing thats different is AV, people spec into AV because they hate themselves.
I specced into AV because I learned to hate tanks in chromosome. I continue playing DUST because I hate myself. This is in fact the most likely reason for all of you as well. I can't say no to the daily SP bonus thingy. Damn me. |
TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
6179
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Posted - 2014.10.29 21:24:00 -
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This char can now officially go full minmatard.
My other char can now go full Amarrtard.
My tanker can stay idle and dribble while playing with its tonka toys.
RIP tanks, labotomised but never forgotten.
I am GJR's Renfield lol
My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine'
Their album - 28 days till maine.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo
232
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Posted - 2014.10.30 10:35:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:i just wanna point out the "around a year ago" part and then the "change their mind so fast" right after it >.> A year from a companies standpoint is not that long to change your mind. Didn't realize they worked in a magic place where time was differen't, my bad D;
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Heavy (Amarr & Gallente)
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