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Bradric Banewolf wrote:

What gives with the give up? So many new players, and shockingly some vets, give up on the match before it's even an L?! 16 v 16 is 16 v 16 no matter if they're all in proto or not!

I think I speak for a large percentage of the community when I say you gain more respect in the community when you fight, than you do when you stop pushing. The corp names that I remember most aren't the PC corps?! We all know now that CCP is pushing for fixes, and PC will soon be the main focal point of devs! The strong independent corps that fight like hell everytime you see them are more memorable than any.

I understand exactly as you do that this game is as much about economic growth as well as skill growth. In order to not have a match turn into a loss you may have to run militia or basic gear. In order to make money I myself rarely run prototype gear. I balance performance and cost pretty well, and currently have large numbers of suits stacked in my inventory. Working on stacking my favorite advanced level weaponry now. If you work together better you don't need prototype gear, and this has been proven time and time again.

I would like to know the communities opinion of this? Do you see the 6 v 16 matches as often as I? Does it feel like you're getting any assistance outside of the squad you're in? Do you take charlie, move to bravo, take bravo, and find out that the enemy has charlie again with almost no resistance?

Curious to know if this is a rising epidemic across the starmap.

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Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 419	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:00:00 - [1] - Quote What gives with the give up? So many new players, and shockingly some vets, give up on the match before it's even an L?! 16 v 16 is 16 v 16 no matter if they're all in proto or not! I think I speak for a large percentage of the community when I say you gain more respect in the community when you fight, than you do when you stop pushing. The corp names that I remember most aren't the PC corps?! We all know now that CCP is pushing for fixes, and PC will soon be the main focal point of devs! The strong independent corps that fight like hell everytime you see them are more memorable than any. I understand exactly as you do that this game is as much about economic growth as well as skill growth. In order to not have a match turn into a loss you may have to run militia or basic gear. In order to make money I myself rarely run prototype gear. I balance performance and cost pretty well, and currently have large numbers of suits stacked in my inventory. Working on stacking my favorite advanced level weaponry now. If you work together better you don't need prototype gear, and this has been proven time and time again. I would like to know the communities opinion of this? Do you see the 6 v 16 matches as often as I? Does it feel like you're getting any assistance outside of the squad you're in? Do you take charlie, move to bravo, take bravo, and find out that the enemy has charlie again with almost no resistance? Curious to know if this is a rising epidemic across the starmap. "Anybody order chaos?"
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3950	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:09:00 - [2] - Quote Sometimes, I disconnect. Just saying.
danthrax martin Immortal Guides 159	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:11:00 - [3] - Quote Last night went against a pretty full sync of capital aq. People left. I did my damn best and lost millions. It was hard to stay in match. I took away a great need to figure out how to counterthe stomping. But the pain... Pro Galmando - Gal Sentinel Suicidal A/V Moron
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1315	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:15:00 - [4] - Quote i play the game for fun.. not frustration.. i i choose to leave when its going against a typical pub-stomp.. which some of the A-holes in the top ranks are getting smart and NOT useing players in the same corp to sign up a squad.. so it dosnt look like a stomp but it in fact is.. the corps iv seen doign this are FA nyan sian duna and a ffew others while i hate pub stompers atleast iv seen carbon 7 not stoop soo low as to use those tactics [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5058	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:18:00 - [5] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i play the game for fun.. not frustration.. i i choose to leave when its going against a typical pub-stomp.. which some of the A-holes in the top ranks are getting smart and NOT useing players in the same corp to sign up a squad.. so it dosnt look like a stomp but it in fact is.. the corps iv seen doign this are FA nyan sian duna and a ffew others while i hate pub stompers atleast iv seen carbon 7 not stoop soo low as to use those tactics You think that dudes in FA seek out players from random corps to give them a MU advantage in pubs? I think I've seen it all now. They put RF2 or something to that effect in their PC chat, alliance, chat, or other personal chats. I've never been more confident in a post on these forums when saying that what you are insinuating simply DOES NOT HAPPEN. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 419	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:40:00 - [6] - Quote So I mean we have the matchmaking working for us, but it feels like we need to add a few more things to the equation. A mercs "I quit" numbers, afk time, and lack of spine should be accounted for as well. This way when you put a squad of 6, a squad of 3, and the rest blues against 3 squads of 3 and the rest blues you can balance it out more. I've seen this layout in the matchs, but then quickly find out that a few of the 3 man squads don't know how to hold a point?! The "MU" has made it a bit better, but their are still issues I guess. When I play ambush I run series and below suits so if I die 5 times I still make 150k isk easy. For dom I focus on a support role like AV or ammo and link drop. I can make 450k isk and up playing these roles. For skirm I tend to bring the hammer down in whatever is needed to win whether it be scout, AV, assault, logi, heavy, etc. I've even called tanks and dropships lol! If one role isn't working as intended I'm versatile enough to fill another role and be an effective and lucrative part of the team. Some players will go snipe from the redline, for instance, and still won't kill anything?! You won't see one single sniper kill, and the sniper rifle was buffed?! I was never a sniper before the sniper rifle changes l, and even I have killed atleast 100 mercs with it since situationally. In most instances "proto stompers" as they have been dubbed survive 1 v 1 because they simply out class the dropsuit their up against, but they do this with sometimes very little hp left and often limp away just barely. At this point when he's reloading, hurt, and struggling for the regen to start kicking almost anything could take him out?! However, all too often do I see proto heavies crossing open areas oncontested, scouts attacking one guy within a group and walking away without retaliation from the group, and mercs watching in amazement as one merc engages 2 and sometimes 3 mercs solo?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Atiim 13111	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:43:00 - [7] - Quote There is no matchmaking. What we have now is a team-balancer, which re-arranges the teams based on the 32 players that are assigned to the match based on how high or low their Mu is. A matchmaker, assigns 32 players to a match based on how high or low their Mu is. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 419	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:49:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: There is no matchmaking. What we have now is a team-balancer, which re-arranges the teams based on the 32 players that are assigned to the match based on how high or low their Mu is. A matchmaker, assigns 32 players to a match based on how high or low their Mu is. Wondering if that's good or bad? "Anybody order chaos?"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1788	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:52:00 - [9] - Quote You can't paint any corp with a single brush. That's just incorrect. There are players that bring it. There are players that wilt.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 419	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i play the game for fun.. not frustration.. i i choose to leave when its going against a typical pub-stomp.. which some of the A-holes in the top ranks are getting smart and NOT useing players in the same corp to sign up a squad.. so it dosnt look like a stomp but it in fact is.. the corps iv seen doign this are FA nyan sian duna and a ffew others while i hate pub stompers atleast iv seen carbon 7 not stoop soo low as to use those tactics You think that dudes in FA seek out players from random corps to give them a MU advantage in pubs? I think I've seen it all now. They put RF2 or something to that effect in their PC chat, alliance, chat, or other personal chats. I've never been more confident in a post on these forums when saying that what you are insinuating simply DOES NOT HAPPEN. I think he meant what you're saying. There's rarely a full squad of Nyain anymore. It's the same guys with different corp names I guess. A full squad of FA is rare in pub, and I just always assumed that was due to squading in alliance or other chats. It really doesn't make a difference what tag they wear though in all honesty. "Anybody order chaos?"
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5074	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:54:00 - [11] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Atiim wrote: There is no matchmaking. What we have now is a team-balancer, which re-arranges the teams based on the 32 players that are assigned to the match based on how high or low their Mu is. A matchmaker, assigns 32 players to a match based on how high or low their Mu is. Wondering if that's good or bad? The MU system is by far the best thing we've ever had. The issue is that pubs are filled with solo players and tons of players that have no concern for whether they win or lose. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 419	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:57:00 - [12] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: You can't paint any corp with a single brush. That's just incorrect. There are players that bring it. There are players that wilt. This is true. I guess my point is that these battle outcomes seem to be determined more by who had the most "fallouts" if you will. I guess there's really no way to fix it. You could Q sync, and alot of corps do, but then it's frowned upon by some?! However, depending on blues not on comms to hold a point.... it's better just to leave, and pray the remote you left holds the point?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 419	Posted - 2014.10.21 21:13:00 - [13] - Quote I can't tell what changed, but "back in the day", if you will, it seemed that battles on all levels were down to the last tic on the MCC, last clone, and the very last round fired, and in some cases today it is still like that I guess. However, far too often now do I see battles where I will die and look at the map for an area to support, and see only 5 green dots moving around?! The blues will be at the MCC or ground spawn afk?! We'll sometimes still have shields on the MCC?! I guess I'm just pointlessly venting, and wish I had video to show this to CCP. Maybe they could reward the afkers even less for not assisting the effort for the win? I know the guys at the top get more funds for their warpoints, but I mean really make it less lucrative for guys who rock a sniper rifle and kill no one at all? I wouldn't pay a merc that didn't show some sort of usefulness. Coming at the bottom of the board is fine if you broke 600 wp's, and it was your best effort. 0/0 25wp's isn't anyone's best effort?! "Anybody order chaos?"
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1127	Posted - 2014.10.21 22:27:00 - [14] - Quote Doesn't help that half of the maps would have been better had they just found a monkey, a pile of **** and a gardening shovel and just had it piled it together. Amarrica! It's Not Safe to Swim.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 419	Posted - 2014.10.21 22:37:00 - [15] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Doesn't help that half of the maps would have been better had they just found a monkey, a pile of **** and a gardening shovel and just had it piled it together. Lmao! "Anybody order chaos?"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17421	Posted - 2014.10.21 22:39:00 - [16] - Quote Sometimes I get distracted and go chase something and get exceptionally blueberry like scores. Killing a HAV typically these days with a certain proof of concept fit. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Cass Caul 1260	Posted - 2014.10.21 23:16:00 - [17] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: What gives with the give up? So many new players, and shockingly some vets, give up on the match before it's even an L?! 16 v 16 is 16 v 16 no matter if they're all in proto or not! I think I speak for a large percentage of the community when I say you gain more respect in the community when you fight, than you do when you stop pushing. The corp names that I remember most aren't the PC corps?! We all know now that CCP is pushing for fixes, and PC will soon be the main focal point of devs! The strong independent corps that fight like hell everytime you see them are more memorable than any. I understand exactly as you do that this game is as much about economic growth as well as skill growth. In order to not have a match turn into a loss you may have to run militia or basic gear. In order to make money I myself rarely run prototype gear. I balance performance and cost pretty well, and currently have large numbers of suits stacked in my inventory. Working on stacking my favorite advanced level weaponry now. If you work together better you don't need prototype gear, and this has been proven time and time again. I would like to know the communities opinion of this? Do you see the 6 v 16 matches as often as I? Does it feel like you're getting any assistance outside of the squad you're in? Do you take charlie, move to bravo, take bravo, and find out that the enemy has charlie again with almost no resistance? Curious to know if this is a rising epidemic across the starmap. This post is basically why I hate Domination. When it fist came out in 1.0 it was amazing because it was new. But really. I feel like I can count on one hand the number of good Domination matches still happen per hotfix release. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Michael Arck 5896	Posted - 2014.10.21 23:28:00 - [18] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: I can't tell what changed, but "back in the day", if you will, it seemed that battles on all levels were down to the last tic on the MCC, last clone, and the very last round fired, and in some cases today it is still like that I guess. However, far too often now do I see battles where I will die and look at the map for an area to support, and see only 5 green dots moving around?! The blues will be at the MCC or ground spawn afk?! We'll sometimes still have shields on the MCC?! I've been saying this for quite some time. The last match I remembered that was a honorable battle was an ambush match and we were getting our ish pushed in. It was Atiim and I (plus some others), holding the line as best as we could. We lost but the effort put in was awesome. Its one of the reasons why I dont log in anymore. I mean, I do, sparingly. But the battles are just so bad. Breaks my heart really. Miss those old days. Though my wife is quite pleased I am taking a break from Dust. I do have my ears to the ground for 1.9 tho Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Atiim 13119	Posted - 2014.10.22 01:47:00 - [19] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Atiim wrote: There is no matchmaking. What we have now is a team-balancer, which re-arranges the teams based on the 32 players that are assigned to the match based on how high or low their Mu is. A matchmaker, assigns 32 players to a match based on how high or low their Mu is. Wondering if that's good or bad? While it's better than what we used to have, it's bad in the sense that if there aren't another 6 good players in that random pool of 32 players then the squad will stomp through the match as usual. That, and new players are still being pitted against people with an infinitely higher amount of experience. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
howard sanchez 980	Posted - 2014.10.22 05:23:00 - [20] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: I can't tell what changed, but "back in the day", if you will, it seemed that battles on all levels were down to the last tic on the MCC, last clone, and the very last round fired, and in some cases today it is still like that I guess. However, far too often now do I see battles where I will die and look at the map for an area to support, and see only 5 green dots moving around?! The blues will be at the MCC or ground spawn afk?! We'll sometimes still have shields on the MCC?! I guess I'm just pointlessly venting, and wish I had video to show this to CCP. Maybe they could reward the afkers even less for not assisting the effort for the win? I know the guys at the top get more funds for their warpoints, but I mean really make it less lucrative for guys who rock a sniper rifle and kill no one at all? I wouldn't pay a merc that didn't show some sort of usefulness. Coming at the bottom of the board is fine if you broke 600 wp's, and it was your best effort. 0/0 25wp's isn't anyone's best effort?! There is, however, the chance that you are doing what most humans do - more prominently recalling the outliers in a set vice the majority. We are more likely to remember the matches that vary from the norm. The fact that you recall the matches that seemed unevenly matched does not suggest that the majority of matches are uneven. Ccp knows the truth. They have data that will or won't support the quality of the MU and matchmaking system. I would politely draw the reader's attention to a recently published dev blog referring to increased transparency. Good day I SAID GOOD DAY Show off your Quafe
howard sanchez 980	Posted - 2014.10.22 05:27:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: I can't tell what changed, but "back in the day", if you will, it seemed that battles on all levels were down to the last tic on the MCC, last clone, and the very last round fired, and in some cases today it is still like that I guess. However, far too often now do I see battles where I will die and look at the map for an area to support, and see only 5 green dots moving around?! The blues will be at the MCC or ground spawn afk?! We'll sometimes still have shields on the MCC?! I've been saying this for quite some time. The last match I remembered that was a honorable battle was an ambush match and we were getting our ish pushed in. It was Atiim and I (plus some others), holding the line as best as we could. We lost but the effort put in was awesome. Its one of the reasons why I dont log in anymore. I mean, I do, sparingly. But the battles are just so bad. Breaks my heart really. Miss those old days. Though my wife is quite pleased I am taking a break from Dust. I do have my ears to the ground for 1.9 tho My personal theory is that quality matchmaking is correlated with PCU. As the active player base improves so benefits game quality Show off your Quafe
howard sanchez 980	Posted - 2014.10.22 05:32:00 - [22] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: You can't paint any corp with a single brush. That's just incorrect. There are players that bring it. There are players that wilt. This is true. I guess my point is that these battle outcomes seem to be determined more by who had the most "fallouts" if you will. I guess there's really no way to fix it. You could Q sync, and alot of corps do, but then it's frowned upon by some?! However, depending on blues not on comms to hold a point.... it's better just to leave, and pray the remote you left holds the point?! Could this be "working as intended "? Is it possibly planned, player evolved or organic game design that those players willing to socialize, form organizations and communicate would have the biggest advantage? Show off your Quafe
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 238	Posted - 2014.10.22 05:56:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: I can't tell what changed, but "back in the day", if you will, it seemed that battles on all levels were down to the last tic on the MCC, last clone, and the very last round fired, and in some cases today it is still like that I guess. However, far too often now do I see battles where I will die and look at the map for an area to support, and see only 5 green dots moving around?! The blues will be at the MCC or ground spawn afk?! We'll sometimes still have shields on the MCC?! I've been saying this for quite some time. The last match I remembered that was a honorable battle was an ambush match and we were getting our ish pushed in. It was Atiim and I (plus some others), holding the line as best as we could. We lost but the effort put in was awesome. Its one of the reasons why I dont log in anymore. I mean, I do, sparingly. But the battles are just so bad. Breaks my heart really. Miss those old days. Though my wife is quite pleased I am taking a break from Dust. I do have my ears to the ground for 1.9 tho always please ur women dude good stuff a unhappy wife is an unhappy husband Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3362	Posted - 2014.10.22 06:41:00 - [24] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i play the game for fun.. not frustration.. i i choose to leave when its going against a typical pub-stomp.. which some of the A-holes in the top ranks are getting smart and NOT useing players in the same corp to sign up a squad.. so it dosnt look like a stomp but it in fact is.. the corps iv seen doign this are FA nyan sian duna and a ffew others while i hate pub stompers atleast iv seen carbon 7 not stoop soo low as to use those tactics You think that dudes in FA seek out players from random corps to give them a MU advantage in pubs? I think I've seen it all now. They put RF2 or something to that effect in their PC chat, alliance, chat, or other personal chats. I've never been more confident in a post on these forums when saying that what you are insinuating simply DOES NOT HAPPEN. I was in an FA squad last night, some members did some didn't I hate when corp's are generalized. There are some great people in FA and there are some folks who can make me look like a good person. http://evil-guide.tripod.com/

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