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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.17 13:28:00 -
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While it's great that someone at CCP is finally using *gahsp* math for balancing, I think you are missing some elements that can be hard to quantify.
An example would be Alpha damage.
While a weapon might have DPS that fits your range/damage graphs perfectly, it can have ludicrous alpha.
A perfect example? Bolt Pistol.
Notice how it fits into your graphs and yet it's overpopular?
That's because alpha damage has significance.
Being hit by upfront 250 damage is different than 30-60 damage bites.
The DPS might be the same, but the delivery of said DPS is different.
High Alpha is usually paid for with lower DPS, that's just how it is.
Another example would be detectability.
Again, using the bolt pistol as an example.
It's silent, and deals a truckload of damage in 4 shots.
Compare that to the hail of bullets coming from an SMG, and you see what I mean by detectability.
I ask you to be mindful of these variables.
While math is great, your gut as a designer also needs to play a role.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.17 13:39:00 -
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Note, this isn't an anti Bolt Pistol thread, I just used it because it's a recent example fresh in everyone's memories.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Good balance work takes into account both the math and the less tangible elements of it's operation as well. Rattati brings the math, we bring the player feedback. :)
Aye, but as Rattati said, some players on the forums have an eye for balance.
He should listen to them more, as I've noticed that as long as the "graphs" or "data" say something is fine, it's fine, until it's released and then the data says otherwise.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:08:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Good balance work takes into account both the math and the less tangible elements of it's operation as well. Rattati brings the math, we bring the player feedback. :) 1. The math is wrong - rattari graph says i should be able to outrun the last volley of swarms with AB on when the 1st hits me, it doesnt work 2. You bring the player feedback to the 1% (actually 937 votes) that voted for you out of a monthly playerbase of 300,000players 3. Experience and actual game time will always beat spreedsheets and graphs when you see how it actually works in practice 4. Back to the testing ground with you
5. You are just oozing of obvious butthurt.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:23:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Good balance work takes into account both the math and the less tangible elements of it's operation as well. Rattati brings the math, we bring the player feedback. :) 1. The math is wrong - rattari graph says i should be able to outrun the last volley of swarms with AB on when the 1st hits me, it doesnt work 2. You bring the player feedback to the 1% (actually 937 votes) that voted for you out of a monthly playerbase of 300,000players 3. Experience and actual game time will always beat spreedsheets and graphs when you see how it actually works in practice 4. Back to the testing ground with you 5. You are just oozing of obvious butthurt. 1. CCP defence force at work i see
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
Oh my god, you don't even know how much shit I gave CCP over the years.
If I'm one of the defense force then by god IWS must be married to CCP. 
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:24:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I blame something else, it's for some reason too easy to hit with it.
But you are right. However, the first steps need to be mathematical and then you tweak on feeling and gut. That's the difference.
That's how I do it.
/shamelessplug
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