DUST Search - @Rattari: You still havent fixed swarms

Lazer Fo Cused wrote:

3.Speed - Increased if for ADS which means all ground vehicles cannot escape since they can still go around multiple corners, also ADS cannot escape swarms when in the air with an AB on, top speed is slower than swarms

4.Lock on - You can look at the smallest part of an exposed vehicle and obtain a lock on which happens to be in the middle of the vehicle that cannot be seen- That is broken - You can also then look away from the vehicle and still fire swarms - That is broken, if you look away from the vehicle you should automatically lose lock on

5.Fire & forget - No risk all reward, 3 volleys in less than 4 seconds which fires invisible missiles which can go around mulitple corners and catch up to the fastest vehicle with ease ...

6. Anti air or anti ground - You change it for one side you upset the balance of the other espc since it is a no skill no aim required weapon - The FG can do both because it requires aim, as can the PLC tho it is better as a anti ground weapon, the SL needs to be one or the other and really it would be better as it is more suited to an anti air role


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Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2014.10.17 13:51:00 - [1] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3.Speed - Increased if for ADS which means all ground vehicles cannot escape since they can still go around multiple corners, also ADS cannot escape swarms when in the air with an AB on, top speed is slower than swarms 4.Lock on - You can look at the smallest part of an exposed vehicle and obtain a lock on which happens to be in the middle of the vehicle that cannot be seen- That is broken - You can also then look away from the vehicle and still fire swarms - That is broken, if you look away from the vehicle you should automatically lose lock on 5.Fire & forget - No risk all reward, 3 volleys in less than 4 seconds which fires invisible missiles which can go around mulitple corners and catch up to the fastest vehicle with ease ... 6. Anti air or anti ground - You change it for one side you upset the balance of the other espc since it is a no skill no aim required weapon - The FG can do both because it requires aim, as can the PLC tho it is better as a anti ground weapon, the SL needs to be one or the other and really it would be better as it is more suited to an anti air role Please consider, that there is a point after which, adding passion or hyperbole to your argument doesn't help; it hurts your argument and your credibility. ADSs routinely outrun my proto swarms. Not always, but sometimes. Your complaints to the contrary, that ADS "cannot escape swarms... with an AB on..." is simply not true. I routinely can't get a lock on a vehicle, whether LAV, tank, DS, or ADS, unless far more than the "smallest part" is exposed from cover. Your claims to the contrary simply are not true. You make one good point. Swarms are more effective against ground vehicles than air vehicles. The solution is not to nerf the swarms, it is to buff AV grenades. To the extent this thread seeks an AV grenade buff, I support it. Nothing big, just a small 2 or 3% damage buff to AV nades, until CCP's stats suggest that the AV nades are strong enough. Maybe were already there, but in my anecdotal experience AV nades could be a little bit stronger without becoming OP. Its also possible that I just need to get better at throwing nades.
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2014.10.18 14:05:00 - [2] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: I routinely can't get a lock on a vehicle, whether LAV, tank, DS, or ADS, unless far more than the "smallest part" is exposed from cover. Your claims to the contrary simply are not true. Spkr4theDead wrote: They are true, because you're not a pilot, so you don't see it from my vantage point. Instead of just typing something and hitting the post button, think about what you've written for a moment. Reread it to see if its patently absurd, before you hit the post button. I realize that you're probably just very young (assuming you're not older and just trolling.) Step back for a moment from everything you've been posting lately and ask yourself whether there is a better way to present your ideas. People can learn to be more persuasive; being persuasive isn't an inherent or accidental trait.
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2014.10.18 14:23:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Trying to reason with spkr is pointless. He is immune to logic. Just do what everyone else does and see how much you can rile him up in three sentences or less. All you have to do is use "AV" "VEHICLE" and "BALANCE" in the same statement. I forget sometimes that other players might be very young. Instead of insulting him, I'm inclined to help him rewrite his argument in a better form. But its hard to invest that kind of time in teaching someone something, if they show no sign of being willing to learn. How did you an I become capable users of language and logic? Someone taught us. Not everyone is old enough or has parents that can teach them to speak, write, and think well. Its not like we have public schools that excel at teaching these skills. I sometimes fall into insulting or demeaning responses to people on the internet; I understand how easy that is. But when I'm conscious of it happening, I feel silly for letting someone who could be a six year old kid rouse me into insulting him. I should instead be explaining to him, "No, that's not how persuasion works; you have to be able to understand your audience's perspective rather than focusing on your own."