So, player buys a bunch of guns with Aurum, sells them to an NPC vendor for ISK. S'like a rudimentary PLEX system. Interesting.

Albeit, if you're buying Aurum weaponry and getting an equal 1:1 exchange for ISK... Kinda have to wonder what the point is unless you're just throwing ISK at your friends.

Can we look this over?! this means that I could buy a combat pack, sell everything for ISK, then go buy my Python. the Python does not have an AUR version, but I can easily abuse this to get the isk version to save some isk.

This could turn into an isk farm for the rich. Comments?

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But Maken Tosch makes an excellent point that selling aurum for isk creates a faucet - regardless of how profitable it would be for CCP. It benefits everyone if the long term solution creates a stable economy.

CCP, what say you regarding the economic risk of aurum to isk npc sales?

Not exactly like PLEX, but close. The thing with PLEX is that it's not designed to pump ISK into a game. It's designed to have two players trade with each other. One gets ISK and the other gets extra game time. No ISK is lost or gained in the process in relation to the presence of ISK in the economy.

However, in Dust, allowing direct sell-back of AUR items to NPCs for ISK presents a problem as I mentioned earlier. A player with a credit card will be able to purchase ISK via the sell-back of AUR items from an NPC. This will result in more ISK being generated out of nowhere into the game since this is not involving any more than just one player in the transaction. This also means that players without access to cash will not be able have that benefit. This will inevitably result in a pay-to-win situation and we all know how much CCP hates the pay-to-win label. I don't think it would be in CCP's best interest to allow something like this to happen. Therefore I propose a solution.

My solution is that for 1.9 CCP can choose one of two practical solutions that I feel will benefit CCP, the player who paid cash for AUR, and the player who is willing to part with their ISK for said AUR item.

Solution 1: Implement a trade window. Eve Online has a very basic trade window in which two players agree to make a private transaction outside of the normal secondary market. One player inputs the item being sold while the other inputs the amount of ISK willing to pay for it. If both parties agree, the window closes, the ISK is transferred to the seller's wallet and the AUR item is transferred to the buyer's inventory. Transaction is now complete.

Pros: Easy to implement due to just a small UI feature being added, private, and gives players a perfect means for scamming fools of their hard-earned ISK. Just like in Eve Online.

Cons: Not much, really.

Solution 2: Implement a secondary market window as a sub-category in the NPC market window where players can publicly post their sell orders while buyers can browse that same window for a good deal.

Pros: Perfect for the market tycoons out there who like playing with market forces and the seller doesn't have to be online in order to complete a transaction.

Cons: A little complex to implement since this will involve a very large UI addition.

An easier solution that wouldn't require a client update is to just not allow the selling of Aurum items purchased after the day Uprising 1.9 is released.

You're going to have people buying aurum stuff for the sole purpose of reselling it for isk

Solution 1: Implement a trade window. Eve Online has a very basic trade window in which two players agree to make a private transaction outside of the normal secondary market. One player inputs the item being sold while the other inputs the amount of ISK willing to pay for it. If both parties agree, the window closes, the ISK is transferred to the seller's wallet and the AUR item is transferred to the buyer's inventory. Transaction is now complete.

Pros: Easy to implement due to just a small UI feature being added, private, and gives players a perfect means for scamming fools of their hard-earned ISK. Just like in Eve Online.

Cons: Not much, really.

The problem with a trade window, as I understand it, is that our assets are tied into the EVE Online market and inventory system, even if they canGÇÖt actually be purchased there. So the mechanics would not allow trade of items between DUST mercs in different locations.

However, I think it could be implemented to allow you to trade with other DUST mercs in your local, as all DUST mercs in your local are on the same Station in EVE. That would get you access to anywhere between 20 and 120 other players depending on time of day.

I'm questioning that. My main character Maken Tosch use to be stationed in the Jolia system in Gallente space. I'm now residing in the Mastakomon system located in the Forge region which is in Caldari space and I am still able to access my inventory.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/The_Forge/Mastakomon

So unless the GMs have also moved my assets in addition to my character, it's possible that players can access their inventory anywhere they are.

But let's assume for the sake of this argument that somehow my inventory was moved in addition to my character being moved to Mastakomon, then that means we can go with your suggestion of limiting the trade window to just local players. Keep in mind that Dust players can petition CCP to move their character from one system to another as long as this system is located in the approved list linked below.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE-DUST_514_Link_FAQ?_ga=1.59469037.1921181014.1337458670#How_do_I_find_DUST_514_mercenaries_then.3F

As you can see the list is a bit sizable but not too extensive so that means that on any given hour with at least 4,000 players logged in across 48 systems that would be about 83 players per system to trade with in local. That's a reasonable market for a simple trade window. Couple that with the ability to move characters via petition requests and since none of these systems are of the high-traffic type like Jita, I don't think the server will have a problem managing.

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I'm ok with players selling away their AUR items for ISK, I'm just not sure about it being done in such a manner. I was thinking that regular ISK variants be sold directly to the NPC while AUR items get their own secondary market so that players can sell AUR items between each other for ISK. This ensures three things

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The whole point of this is to avoid seeing a massive influx of ISK coming out of nowhere just because someone has a fat wallet.

very much so, but not full market price

I am very happy I bought a metric ton of charge sniper rifles back when they were stupid cheap.

I will wear proto suits on suicide missions. I will use ADSs to crash into the nearest supply depot. I will call in tanks just to reach the vehicle limit.


I will be poor again as fast as humanly possible.

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CCP, response please? I literally have a bunch of officer weapons I have no desire to use, and I don't want to scroll passed them when making a fit - I'd rather have the ISK.

This is a GOOD thread!

If what youGÇÖve explained here is correct, this could open up TWO effective GÇ£secondary marketplaceGÇ¥ machines in our game. One a GÇ£local Merc-to-local MercGÇ¥ market (having nothing to do with CapsuleersGÇÖ interests or finances), and one an GÇ£NPC-styleGÇ¥ market that works just like a pawnshop than a marketplace, where each of us Mercs on her own goes up to the window and sells off our battlefield loot for plain ISK.

IGÇÖm not happy with any AURUM-based items being re-introduced on a secondary market in Dust. GÇ£AurumGÇ¥ as we know, is the REAL credit card monetary component of the game that gets profits for Sony. If we get players are crafty enough (...and we know we ARE) to scheme a method of obtaining AURUM-based gear through the GÇ£secondary marketGÇ¥ instead of through credit card purchase, weGÇÖd be bypassing SonyGÇÖs agreed method of profit----and thatGÇÖs not right.

If you had to get the item by using credit card/Aurum directly in the New Eden Marketplace, that should be the ONLY way ANYONE can obtain it, not by trading non-aurum items for it, not by GÇ£resellingGÇ¥ or GÇ£swappingGÇ¥ BrianGÇÖs aurum plasma cannon for BettyGÇÖs aurum HAV, nothing arranged through a secondary market scheme. ItGÇÖs just too dangerous.

The only thing that should fly back and forth in a secondary market is salvaged ISK-obtained gear, and raw ISK. Whether this occurs Merc-to-NPC or can be arranged Merc-to-Merc, is up to whatever CCP can devise.