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shaman oga Brutor Vanguard 2921	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:54:00 - [1] - Quote Only a statement, this post does not require anything for AVers or pilots. As SP increase more and more people spend them to specialize in some form of AV, while the number of vehicles players do not increase at the same rate, mostly because vehicles require tons of SP. Pilot job becomes harder day after day and this is a fact. Fatmatar
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 88	Posted - 2014.10.12 23:02:00 - [2] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Only a statement, this post does not require anything for AVers or pilots. As SP increase more and more people spend them to specialize in some form of AV, while the number of vehicles players do not increase at the same rate, mostly because vehicles require tons of SP. Pilot job becomes harder day after day and this is a fact. Cause and effect. Speccing into AV is usually a response to vehicles. Without vehicles, AV would have no purpose, no reason to exist.
Atiim 12917	Posted - 2014.10.12 23:04:00 - [3] - Quote Working as intended. People decided to spam 6-9 vehicles per match before Hotfix Delta, and once vehicles were balanced people realized how important having Anti-Vehicle weapons were. However, balance is not based around the playerbase, but the items. Just like if an entire team of players were to use SCRs, the enemy team would & should suffer greatly if they were to use Shielded suits at long-range. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5438	Posted - 2014.10.13 00:36:00 - [4] - Quote And yet pilots say it should take a minimum of two highly coordinated AV players with at least advanced gear to have even a slight ability to kill them. Isn't this what pilots wanted? More AV players so infantry would work together more and stop asking for vehicle nerfs? Well it happened. What more do you Want? Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13478	Posted - 2014.10.13 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: And yet pilots say it should take a minimum of two highly coordinated AV players with at least advanced gear to have even a slight ability to kill them. Isn't this what pilots wanted? More AV players so infantry would work together more and stop asking for vehicle nerfs? Well it happened. What more do you Want? More recently I have been thinking about how AV should take out HAV.....and more and more it comes down to..... HAV carry massive ordinance designed to engage other HAV...... two or three hits with hardener on, or even one penetrating hit would make an HAV hull a wreck. Between 2-4 shot from an AV source (upper limits for hardener active, lower for penetrating) should really deck an HAV. Not necessarily two AVers to take down one HAV but a small number of hit that can be best applied in numbers. I mean in game its not hard to land 3 shots on a tank....in some respects that is enough. Enough to feel like you AV weapon holds powerful rounds, enough to allow an HAV to react to a threat. With the tank based games I currently play even a single well placed shell will destroy the heaviest Tank while equally so each tank has a cannon that fires a single powerful shell that would utterly decimate nearby infantry but only reloads every 10.5 seconds. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3356	Posted - 2014.10.13 01:15:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: People decided to spam 6-9 vehicles per match before Hotfix Delta, and once vehicles were balanced people realized how important having Anti-Vehicle weapons were. It's the Pilots' fault to be honest. Anyone remember back when LLAVs were FoTM and everyone and their mothers, brothers, granddaughter, and next-door neighbor's dog started carrying Lai Dais? Think of it like that. Vehicle quota only allows 7 Tanker/Logi/Assault
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4051	Posted - 2014.10.13 01:22:00 - [7] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: People decided to spam 6-9 vehicles per match before Hotfix Delta, and once vehicles were balanced people realized how important having Anti-Vehicle weapons were. It's the Pilots' fault to be honest. Anyone remember back when LLAVs were FoTM and everyone and their mothers, brothers, granddaughter, and next-door neighbor's dog started carrying Lai Dais? Think of it like that. Vehicle quota only allows 7 Per match, not at once. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13485	Posted - 2014.10.13 01:48:00 - [8] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: People decided to spam 6-9 vehicles per match before Hotfix Delta, and once vehicles were balanced people realized how important having Anti-Vehicle weapons were. It's the Pilots' fault to be honest. Anyone remember back when LLAVs were FoTM and everyone and their mothers, brothers, granddaughter, and next-door neighbor's dog started carrying Lai Dais? Think of it like that. Vehicle quota only allows 7 Per match, not at once. I don't see how the "Per Game" statistic relates. I don't want to play infantry....ever! Thus every time my HAV is blown up I'll call in another. If that mean 20 HAV because AV is on their game then that's what I will do. It's a poor statistic that reflects nothing. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1052	Posted - 2014.10.13 01:53:00 - [9] - Quote Huh, that's funny... cause... I remember it being a lot harder all the way back in pre 1.7 days when a single proto AV'er could generally down the best of tanks. You might want to swap your use of "Fact" with "Opinion", because the only thing that has made being a pilot harder are installations with 12000HP. And while those have made being a pilot a bit more difficult, the role has also gotten exceptionally cheap. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 94	Posted - 2014.10.13 01:59:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: People decided to spam 6-9 vehicles per match before Hotfix Delta, and once vehicles were balanced people realized how important having Anti-Vehicle weapons were. It's the Pilots' fault to be honest. Anyone remember back when LLAVs were FoTM and everyone and their mothers, brothers, granddaughter, and next-door neighbor's dog started carrying Lai Dais? Think of it like that. This. Back when they removed all the vehicle modules and whatnot, and refunded the corresponding skill points, I happened to have a pilot alt sitting on a pile of passive SP (waiting for the Pilot Suits that never came). When deciding what to do with all those skill points, I ran a bunch of alts through the Academy, and tried a bunch of different weapons. One thing I noticed each and every time I graduated, was that the moment I left the Academy, I was getting wrecked by vehicles, and the starter fit AV - the only AV available to new players - just wasn't up to the task. I decided then and there that speccing back into vehicles would only compound the problem. More vehicles were not the answer. No, I decided that I would try to make a difference, and specced into AV instead. After all, with so many vehicles kicking around, at the very least I'd always have something to do! My AV alt was a direct result of vehicle spam.

Atiim 12936	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:55:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Vehicle quota only allows 7 The vehicle quota in Ambush was actually 9 until they lowered it to 2. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1035	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:12:00 - [12] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: shaman oga wrote: Only a statement, this post does not require anything for AVers or pilots. As SP increase more and more people spend them to specialize in some form of AV, while the number of vehicles players do not increase at the same rate, mostly because vehicles require tons of SP. Pilot job becomes harder day after day and this is a fact. Cause and effect. Speccing into AV is usually a response to vehicles. Without vehicles, AV would have no purpose, no reason to exist. indeed.. i only dumped SP into AV because i was sick to death of godmode ADS in Bravo/charlie.. and now with the 4 pronged "tweeks" to the AV vs V balance i find my AV SP being slightly wasted now as even just standard AV stuff does well even against proto equipped Maddi's and gunnlogi's and pythons and incubus's and so on.. LAVs are still a pain but what ya gonna do? i would like to see a slight buff to prox mines as i feel they are hardly ever used except by Proto-bears who have the SP to waste anyway.. with the way AV vs V is atm i feel confident we could bring back the Advanced vehicles again and then balance those.. and then maybe after all that it would be a step toward bringing back the old logi dropships, logi LAVs, maurauders.. and so on.. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1035	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Vehicle quota only allows 7 The vehicle quota in Ambush was actually 9 until they lowered it to 2. could have sworn i saw more then 2 in BOOSH..could be wrong.. id love to see CCP raise max players in a match by +4 (2 each side) and give +1 or 2 vehicles to the cap to brign back a little of the carnage of old days.. also helps my OCD cause i cannot stand 2 full squads... and then 4 random blueberrys.. 3 squads is just such a nice round figure. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13507	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:59:00 - [14] - Quote I miss HAV brawling....... 3v3 or 4v4 while the ground game was going on and AV was being flung was fantastic. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon


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