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Petra 222 SoM
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Posted - 2014.10.12 18:39:00 -
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I am not nearly as informed on the mechanics of the game as many of you have deeply invested your interest. I am looking for open advice and opinions on the current assault role.
My noob opinion based on observation and using my Assault Ak.0.... This suit Kicks Ass. I am having a blast playing assault and am very happy I took it to proto.
I am used to playing gal scout since before 1.8, then went heavy and now assault. I am having a hard time seeing how the assaults' cons out weigh its pros.
I use my assault based on the situation, as I do all of my suits. If I am not running ambush I stick with a squad. While running assault, if I leave my squad to lonewolf I am SOL. With teamwork i find my survivability is higher than my scout and less than my heavy. (seems about right)
So what am I missing? where am i falling short?
Assault doesn't have ewar... I don't need it. My squad mate can risk running an paper thin ewar scout.
Decided to tank my suit instead of repair mods... my logi has my back.
The squads sentinel went down... reps on me, i have over 1000HP and alpha damage to mow them down.
Shotgun to the back...my hp can eat 2-3, jump turn and blap scout is dead unless he has positioning, first mover advantage, ect in which case he deserves the kill.
Are people just not willing to change out of there favorite suit? Are they not willing to counter what the other team dishes out? Am I just oblivious to the issues at hand?
thanks for responses Community and thanks CCP for the hotfixes. I honestly didn't think we would make it this far.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.12 18:42:00 -
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run the suit without the help of a squad and tell me its still as good. It's nowhere near as bad but its still missing a little something. |
hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.10.12 18:46:00 -
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my min assault is amazing. People just like to complain and try to get their gear buffed.
You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.12 18:47:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:my min assault is amazing. People just like to complain and try to get their gear buffed. your suit has a pretty good bonus though. Gallente and Caldari have sucky bonuses. |
Petra 222 SoM
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.12 18:58:00 -
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Echo, that is a good point but im not sure bonuses would be the deciding factor. I hear assault logis were a thing, did they have rife bonuses? or did bonuses to hives,links ect make up for it? |
Echo 1991
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:11:00 -
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Petra 222 SoM wrote:Echo, that is a good point but im not sure bonuses would be the deciding factor. I hear assault logis were a thing, did they have rife bonuses? or did bonuses to hives,links ect make up for it? They could fit proto everything on a cal logi and just rip through anything. Bonuses arent the deciding factor obviously, but it would help if the bonuses for the 2 suits i mentioned were better. I think it needs slightly better e-war its really bad that a scout has 15 db less scan profile which at base cannot be picked up by anything except a proto scanner. i think that if you have passive skills all at 5, an assault should be able to pick up a scout with no skills in dampening. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:19:00 -
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Petra 222 SoM wrote:I am not nearly as informed on the mechanics of the game as many of you have deeply invested your interest. I am looking for open advice and opinions on the current assault role.
My noob opinion based on observation and using my Assault Ak.0.... This suit Kicks Ass. I am having a blast playing assault and am very happy I took it to proto.
I am used to playing gal scout since before 1.8, then went heavy and now assault. I am having a hard time seeing how the assaults' cons out weigh its pros.
I use my assault based on the situation, as I do all of my suits. If I am not running ambush I stick with a squad. While running assault, if I leave my squad to lonewolf I am SOL. With teamwork i find my survivability is higher than my scout and less than my heavy. (seems about right)
So what am I missing? where am i falling short?
Assault doesn't have ewar... I don't need it. My squad mate can risk running an paper thin ewar scout.
Decided to tank my suit instead of repair mods... my logi has my back.
The squads sentinel went down... reps on me, i have over 1000HP and alpha damage to mow them down.
Shotgun to the back...my hp can eat 2-3, jump turn and blap scout is dead unless he has positioning, first mover advantage, ect in which case he deserves the kill.
Are people just not willing to change out of there favorite suit? Are they not willing to counter what the other team dishes out? Am I just oblivious to the issues at hand?
thanks for responses Community and thanks CCP for the hotfixes. I honestly didn't think we would make it this far.
shooting mlt suits with a proto amarr assault works very well. try that in a PC match and watch them scouts and heavys have a feeding frenzy on you like its shark week.
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:34:00 -
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because of how scouts are atm Medium/assault/logi suits cannot compair even the slightest bit.. look at PC.. 70% light 25% heavy 5% logi..
and then in pub.. its a little less F'd up but still there is too meny damn scouts as they know they can farm the newbies with no risk..
never thought id say this but the only "balanced" game mode is Faction war.. even when being forced to bend over and take it.. even from my own scrubby awoxing team mates
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:37:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Petra 222 SoM wrote:I am not nearly as informed on the mechanics of the game as many of you have deeply invested your interest. I am looking for open advice and opinions on the current assault role.
My noob opinion based on observation and using my Assault Ak.0.... This suit Kicks Ass. I am having a blast playing assault and am very happy I took it to proto.
I am used to playing gal scout since before 1.8, then went heavy and now assault. I am having a hard time seeing how the assaults' cons out weigh its pros.
I use my assault based on the situation, as I do all of my suits. If I am not running ambush I stick with a squad. While running assault, if I leave my squad to lonewolf I am SOL. With teamwork i find my survivability is higher than my scout and less than my heavy. (seems about right)
So what am I missing? where am i falling short?
Assault doesn't have ewar... I don't need it. My squad mate can risk running an paper thin ewar scout.
Decided to tank my suit instead of repair mods... my logi has my back.
The squads sentinel went down... reps on me, i have over 1000HP and alpha damage to mow them down.
Shotgun to the back...my hp can eat 2-3, jump turn and blap scout is dead unless he has positioning, first mover advantage, ect in which case he deserves the kill.
Are people just not willing to change out of there favorite suit? Are they not willing to counter what the other team dishes out? Am I just oblivious to the issues at hand?
thanks for responses Community and thanks CCP for the hotfixes. I honestly didn't think we would make it this far.
shooting mlt suits with a proto amarr assault works very well. try that in a PC match and watch them scouts and heavys have a feeding frenzy on you like its shark week. heavys are an easy counter... the problem is the over-use of scouts because of their versitality, OP passive scans/shield tanks/ewar.. its no wonder why medium suit usage is at an all time low (excluding newberrys).. scouts need a heavy nerf so medium/assault become the "standard" again.. though i just fear people will use cal-assault as a cal-scout-lite..irony is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND! :|
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:48:00 -
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Heavies and Scouts can kick major ass without any squad support.
Assaults need backup to do their job.
And they don't do it much better than those heavies and scouts.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Petra 222 SoM
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:05:00 -
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I appreciate the constructive replies. my experience is limited and I am far from the knowledge of this game that many of you and the devs have. also my view of dust is probably different than some having enterd the game only a month before 1.8
I agree that there is a lack of assault role in PC. from my experience i see mostly heavy/logi in citys with a few scouts/tanks on outside objectives. A few floater scouts and ADS move through city as needed.
I thought the medium frames role was to stick with a squad or other mercs. Is it not? I saw medium frames as the ultimate team roles. Logis and assaults for the team play enthusiast.
I am probably mistaken but that was what I always liked about dust. That the assaults weren't the end all be all like most twitch shooters. instead they encouraged teamwork. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:18:00 -
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Petra 222 SoM wrote:I appreciate the constructive replies. my experience is limited and I am far from the knowledge of this game that many of you and the devs have. also my view of dust is probably different than some having enterd the game only a month before 1.8
I agree that there is a lack of assault role in PC. from my experience i see mostly heavy/logi in citys with a few scouts/tanks on outside objectives. A few floater scouts and ADS move through city as needed.
I thought the medium frames role was to stick with a squad or other mercs. Is it not? I saw medium frames as the ultimate team roles. Logis and assaults for the team play enthusiast.
I am probably mistaken but that was what I always liked about dust. That the assaults weren't the end all be all like most twitch shooters. instead they encouraged teamwork. You don't encourage team work by forcing it on a unit, while there are other options available that don't require it, that still do its job just fine. You just discourage people from using that unit.
Think Logi, it's a required role, but it needs a team to function properly. Why do people still bring it? Because nothing can do its job as well.
Assaults? Strap a few plates on a scout and you got a faster Assault with EWAR that is only slightly more fragile.
If combined with teamwork, Assaults were monster killing machines that nothing can rival them, then yeah, sure. But with teamwork they are only just as good as other suits that don't need it nearly as much.
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Petra 222 SoM
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:38:00 -
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hmm i like your logi comparison. having a harder time understanding the other half though. In your example of the tanked scout, if the scout fits plates/extenders instead of damps/precision/range the only advantage I can see at the moment is the scouts base ewar stats, in which case would only give an advantage if playing lonewolf.
i didn't initially see it as forcing teamplay as you can switch roles (mid game) to heavy, scout, vehicles, ect if you wanted to solo play more efficiently. I thought that was the real benefit of grinding for more SP and separated the new player from the veteran. Being able to counter more obstacles on that battlefield.
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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:58:00 -
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Petra 222 SoM wrote:hmm i like your logi comparison. having a harder time understanding the other half though. In your example of the tanked scout, if the scout fits plates/extenders instead of damps/precision/range the only advantage I can see at the moment is the scouts base ewar stats, in which case would only give an advantage if playing lonewolf.
A plated scout is still faster, has comparable if not better regen, two equipment,smaller hitbox and better ewar then a plated MedFrame. Plus that cloak to hide from Medframes and Fatties.
AmAssault tho? Ewww, i unfriend you.
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Im a nerd that wears Jordans and True Religion jeans.
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Petra 222 SoM
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:12:00 -
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Hey Cypher, haha. My point wasn't meant to reassure scouts of their roles, just commenting on how much i have been enjoying the new role of assault recently and looking for opinions like yours considering the many negative assault threads lately. Maybe I should have made that more clear.
and on the racial thing... I am a mixed mutt of a man in real life, so be it in the game. loyal to no one but my family, friends and corp. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:16:00 -
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I don't think you are oblivious to the problem, I just think you are someone with a level head that gets the larger picture.
There might be some very specific issues with scouts and heavies, but many of the problems are overstated, and need finer adjustments than what some people think.
I think assaults should have better regen personally, and maybe reduce the scouts' by a fraction, but really that isn't an issue with scout HP being as low as it is.
The assault buff was good, but I think there should be a few tweeks to make them stronger, plus the logis need looked at.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:46:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:because of how scouts are atm Medium/assault/logi suits cannot compair even the slightest bit.. look at PC.. 70% light 25% heavy 5% logi..
and then in pub.. its a little less F'd up but still there is too meny damn scouts as they know they can farm the newbies with no risk..
never thought id say this but the only "balanced" game mode is Faction war.. even when being forced to bend over and take it.. even from my own scrubby awoxing team mates Have you played a PC?
Its usually about 2-3 vehicles (ADS/Tank), 5-6 Sentinels, 2-3 Logis, 2-3 Assaults/Commandos, and about 4 Scouts
And it isn't 5% of anything, that isn't possible with under 20 players.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:47:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I don't think you are oblivious to the problem, I just think you are someone with a level head that gets the larger picture.
There might be some very specific issues with scouts and heavies, but many of the problems are overstated, and need finer adjustments than what some people think.
I think assaults should have better regen personally, and maybe reduce the scouts' by a fraction, but really that isn't an issue with scout HP being as low as it is.
The assault buff was good, but I think there should be a few tweeks to make them stronger, plus the logis need looked at.
+1
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Crazy Cat Lady
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.15 06:39:00 -
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Petra 222 SoM wrote:
Decided to tank my suit instead of repair mods... my logi has my back
I got ya ;)
Ps I hate scouts. |
Cody Sietz
Evzones Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.10.15 07:01:00 -
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It's the eWar and how it helps heavies more then any other suit.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.15 07:03:00 -
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Assaults need a little extra. I think a small bonus to racial tank would be the best option, but that's just me.
I don't want it
I just need it
To breath, to feel, to know I'm alive
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Joel II X
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.15 07:15:00 -
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I like using the Amarr Assault and ScR combo from time to time.
My Gallente Assault kicks ass, though. |
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