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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:57:00 -
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To all the people wishing scouts to be nerfed into being even worse than pre-1.8, be careful. Most of us are only scouts because we have maxed core skills (the only way to be viable as a scout), and we could very easily transfer over to assaults or heavies, giving us even greater killing power, and then it will be "Nerf Assault 2k14"
Again, be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.
I already am saving up SP for my proto Min Assault, and even at basic, the extra HP and slots as well as the bonus to the mini long range shotgun (Combat Rifle) and aSMG make it a very good suit.
TL;DR--No matter how much you nerf people who play as scouts, we will use our dirty, underhanded tactics to beat you no matter what suit we use.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:57:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
and not only that but roughly 1/2 of all the suits deployed in any given match (more so if its a proto or squad stomp) are SCOUT SUITS that would tell me there is something very over powered with them when many many people are deploying as scouts and playing them as Assaults or logi more then the actual assault or logi suits.
This is a blatant lie.
The highest scout concentration is in skirmish for pubs, and even then, they are almost always outweighed by HMG heavies and medium frames/Assaults.
The reasons scouts are in such high concentration (4-5 per match on skirmish and/or PC) is--
1. Respec allowed people to skill into them while assaults were bad and scouts were somewhat OP.
2. Following the slayer Logi nerf, people needed to have some perma scan crutch, and went with the Cal scout while it had super OP precision.
^^Thats it.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2550
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:08:00 -
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AToS SaGa III wrote:I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits?
Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/
You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise.
Ill show you what I would run as an assault.
1 damp, 2 KC's, 1 Reg, 3 extenders, 1 Energizer, aSMG, CR all proto, and a compact hive on top.
Dodges all non precision scout passives, and then only if they have maxed skills, or a precision enhancer, 700 HP, moves faster than a Min scout with a Kincat, has double proto weapons each with much more clip size (the weapons' only weaknesses), and has regen only beaten by the Cal scout.
Passives arent even very useful unless you have enough eHP and firepower to down your opponent in a fight. Of course, you do get the first shot, but after that its a level playing field where the strongest suit wins (Assault/Sentinel)
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2550
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:15:00 -
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AToS SaGa III wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:AToS SaGa III wrote:I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits?
Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/
You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise. Ill show you what I would run as an assault. 1 damp, 2 KC's, 1 Reg, 3 extenders, 1 Energizer, aSMG, CR all proto, and a compact hive on top. Dodges all non precision scout passives, and then only if they have maxed skills, or a precision enhancer, 700 HP, moves faster than a Min scout with a Kincat, has double proto weapons each with much more clip size (the weapons' only weaknesses), and has regen only beaten by the Cal scout. Passives arent even very useful unless you have enough eHP and firepower to down your opponent in a fight. Of course, you do get the first shot, but after that its a level playing field where the strongest suit wins (Assault/Sentinel) Strongest suit being scout - or people wouldn't be picking it so much, and PC's wouldn't just be heavies/scouts in each match. If CCP forces them into assault - how is that an upgrade if nothing but a nerf to scout happens? If it's true you'll be stronger in assault - then why aren't you using it to begin with? The logic doesn't make sense.
Assaults already make up a good amount of PC's...whenver I form a PC squad I try to get assaults if I can find them, just because they are excellent suits for slaying, and I like having slayers at my back.
And, Im not an assault to begin with because I like being a scout, have been a minmitar scout since day one, which is still viable, but not as good a slayer as an assault.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2550
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:17:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
1 damp
With one damp on an assault suit, you get under max skilled scout scans without mods, unless Am or Gal, and Gal only if skilled to proto. You also get under vehicle scanners and ADV AS which is very underrated.
So, unless a Min or Cal scout sacrifice 1/3-1/4 of their HP to see you, they won't, no matter how much SP you invested. Which is as it should be.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2550
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:21:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:
I've never been in a PC where the FC was scrambling to find assaults. I've also never been in a PC where assaults would dominate anything...
Thats why you need a good balance.
If a team fields entirely heavies/Logis(Dark Legion), they can only control the city, and won't have the eWar or versatility that scouts and medium frames can provide for a flow of support between points.
If a team fields entirely scouts (1.U.P.) they lose because of HMG heavies destroying them at all points.
If a team fields entirely tanks and ADS's, they wouldn't even be able to cap a point or hold anything in the city.
If a team fields entirely assaults, should they gain an advantage over those who have a healthy mix of unit types?
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2550
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:23:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
1 damp
With one damp on an assault suit, you get under max skilled scout scans without mods, unless Am or Gal, and Gal only if skilled to proto. You also get under vehicle scanners and ADV AS which is very underrated. So, unless a Min or Cal scout sacrifice 1/3-1/4 of their HP to see you, they won't, no matter how much SP you invested. Which is as it should be. 1. I think you're underestimating how many gallente scouts are in the game... 2. Ah Ha so you DO tank shields on a scout you sicko!
1. I think a lot of people over exaggerate how many there are. While they are by far the most common, they are also most definitely outweighed (haha) by heavies.
2. Of course. How else am I supposed to survive 1 shot from a bolt pistol or mass driver?
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2550
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:49:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:assault suit should be the go to for precision enhancement/range.. that part should not belong to the scout. they should get the damp bonuses which they do.. but not the detection. the assault suit would then be a counter to scout. but whatever.. i dont run infantry enough to really care much anymore.
The assault already is the counter to a scout...much higher HP, more damage (with modules), skills that (excluding Caldari) are designed for spray and pray against scouts, as well as having strafe speeds negligibly smaller than a scouts.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2550
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Posted - 2014.10.12 22:14:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:Don't encourage him lol sarcasm is lost on text.
Im not being sarcastic; I don't see where Ive given any indication that I was.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2553
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:01:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:Good if you guys are going to get just as many if not more what is the problem lol why so much push back. You kids act like everyone doesn't play scout and they don't understand (pst everyone plays scout) and we all know exactly how over powered it is I myself play scout with sidearms and no cloak and still often wreck ****. It is redick how fail you guys come off and you just keep going lol. I can't take it lol your troll post wins.. you got me.
The last time I played (slightly more than a week ago), The average team that I faced for each game mode looked something like
Ambush-70% HMG heavies/RR heavies (depending on map). 1-2 scouts maximum unless going up against corps like my own (1337 c0d 0p71X) or 1.U.P./PE etc. The rest were blueberries in med frames, or some solo players running assault
Dom-60% HMG heavies/rooftop RR/ScR campers. Sometimes as many as 4 scouts on one side, but in general around 3.
Skirmish-Probably the most balanced overall, with about equal parts of everything, unless, of course, the conditions that I stated for ambush were met. Mostly heavies in the city, with several scouts on the outside, and mediums dispersed equally throughout.
Im not sure we play the same game.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2553
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:42:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:If dudes running scouts would be better running assaults, they'd be running assaults.
Scouts don't need to be nerfed, they need to be forced to make more of a decision. To EWAR or to Kill. Shouldn't be able to do both so effectively at the same time.
If a scout has no damps it should be picked up by a medium frame with a single complex precision mod. The bonuses to the suit are too strong and they could be easily brought back into place by applying the bonuses to modules instead.
Believe it or not, Im skilling up Assault right now, simply because it is a better slayer.
Ill be bringing some heat to those PC's once again 
Though, TBH, I will miss my SG...
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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