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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

AToS SaGa III wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

AToS SaGa III wrote:

I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits?

Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/

You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise.

Ill show you what I would run as an assault.

1 damp, 2 KC's, 1 Reg, 3 extenders, 1 Energizer, aSMG, CR all proto, and a compact hive on top.

Dodges all non precision scout passives, and then only if they have maxed skills, or a precision enhancer, 700 HP, moves faster than a Min scout with a Kincat, has double proto weapons each with much more clip size (the weapons' only weaknesses), and has regen only beaten by the Cal scout.

Passives arent even very useful unless you have enough eHP and firepower to down your opponent in a fight. Of course, you do get the first shot, but after that its a level playing field where the strongest suit wins (Assault/Sentinel)

Strongest suit being scout - or people wouldn't be picking it so much, and PC's wouldn't just be heavies/scouts in each match.

If CCP forces them into assault - how is that an upgrade if nothing but a nerf to scout happens? If it's true you'll be stronger in assault - then why aren't you using it to begin with?

The logic doesn't make sense.

Assaults already make up a good amount of PC's...whenver I form a PC squad I try to get assaults if I can find them, just because they are excellent suits for slaying, and I like having slayers at my back.

And, Im not an assault to begin with because I like being a scout, have been a minmitar scout since day one, which is still viable, but not as good a slayer as an assault.

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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2546	Posted - 2014.10.12 16:57:00 - [1] - Quote To all the people wishing scouts to be nerfed into being even worse than pre-1.8, be careful. Most of us are only scouts because we have maxed core skills (the only way to be viable as a scout), and we could very easily transfer over to assaults or heavies, giving us even greater killing power, and then it will be "Nerf Assault 2k14" Again, be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. I already am saving up SP for my proto Min Assault, and even at basic, the extra HP and slots as well as the bonus to the mini long range shotgun (Combat Rifle) and aSMG make it a very good suit. TL;DR--No matter how much you nerf people who play as scouts, we will use our dirty, underhanded tactics to beat you no matter what suit we use. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Atiim 12910	Posted - 2014.10.12 17:27:00 - [2] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: To all the people wishing scouts to be nerfed into being even worse than pre-1.8. Who's asking for that? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1225	Posted - 2014.10.12 19:51:00 - [3] - Quote Cloaks, Ewar and 2 equipment slots are what make the scout what it is. Good luck with those in an Assault suit. Because, that's why.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1019	Posted - 2014.10.12 20:01:00 - [4] - Quote I proudly state i am one of the advocates who is petitioning for the Nerfing of Scout suits as they have taken over and are better then assaults and nearly as versatile as logi and have the EHP and superior ewar and cloak all combined into one suit.. and not only that but roughly 1/2 of all the suits deployed in any given match (more so if its a proto or squad stomp) are SCOUT SUITS that would tell me there is something very over powered with them when many many people are deploying as scouts and playing them as Assaults or logi more then the actual assault or logi suits. Edit.. the only scout suit which seems fair and balanced (ish) is the minmatar suit.. lower ehp.. more balanced slots.. actual scout like bonuses (hacking) seem to favour SMG+NK and play more like unseen ninjas.. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5436	Posted - 2014.10.12 20:04:00 - [5] - Quote Ion Pistol > Any Scout Just saying. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 219	Posted - 2014.10.12 20:04:00 - [6] - Quote I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits? Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/ You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise. Ask me how much I care and win a cookie!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 20:57:00 - [7] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: and not only that but roughly 1/2 of all the suits deployed in any given match (more so if its a proto or squad stomp) are SCOUT SUITS that would tell me there is something very over powered with them when many many people are deploying as scouts and playing them as Assaults or logi more then the actual assault or logi suits. This is a blatant lie. The highest scout concentration is in skirmish for pubs, and even then, they are almost always outweighed by HMG heavies and medium frames/Assaults. The reasons scouts are in such high concentration (4-5 per match on skirmish and/or PC) is-- 1. Respec allowed people to skill into them while assaults were bad and scouts were somewhat OP. 2. Following the slayer Logi nerf, people needed to have some perma scan crutch, and went with the Cal scout while it had super OP precision. ^^Thats it. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
gustavo acosta Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 320	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:01:00 - [8] - Quote uhh I'm soooo scared "2spook4me" Edit: I've heard the minmatar assault is the funnest suit in the game. You lucky dog... Edit 2: Coincidentally, I have started skilling into the minmatar scout.... Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:08:00 - [9] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits? Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/ You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise. Ill show you what I would run as an assault. 1 damp, 2 KC's, 1 Reg, 3 extenders, 1 Energizer, aSMG, CR all proto, and a compact hive on top. Dodges all non precision scout passives, and then only if they have maxed skills, or a precision enhancer, 700 HP, moves faster than a Min scout with a Kincat, has double proto weapons each with much more clip size (the weapons' only weaknesses), and has regen only beaten by the Cal scout. Passives arent even very useful unless you have enough eHP and firepower to down your opponent in a fight. Of course, you do get the first shot, but after that its a level playing field where the strongest suit wins (Assault/Sentinel) "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
gustavo acosta Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 320	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:11:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 1 damp Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?

AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 224	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:12:00 - [11] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits? Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/ You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise. Ill show you what I would run as an assault. 1 damp, 2 KC's, 1 Reg, 3 extenders, 1 Energizer, aSMG, CR all proto, and a compact hive on top. Dodges all non precision scout passives, and then only if they have maxed skills, or a precision enhancer, 700 HP, moves faster than a Min scout with a Kincat, has double proto weapons each with much more clip size (the weapons' only weaknesses), and has regen only beaten by the Cal scout. Passives arent even very useful unless you have enough eHP and firepower to down your opponent in a fight. Of course, you do get the first shot, but after that its a level playing field where the strongest suit wins (Assault/Sentinel) Strongest suit being scout - or people wouldn't be picking it so much, and PC's wouldn't just be heavies/scouts in each match. If CCP forces them into assault - how is that an upgrade if nothing but a nerf to scout happens? If it's true you'll be stronger in assault - then why aren't you using it to begin with? The logic doesn't make sense. Ask me how much I care and win a cookie!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:15:00 - [12] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits? Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/ You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise. Ill show you what I would run as an assault. 1 damp, 2 KC's, 1 Reg, 3 extenders, 1 Energizer, aSMG, CR all proto, and a compact hive on top. Dodges all non precision scout passives, and then only if they have maxed skills, or a precision enhancer, 700 HP, moves faster than a Min scout with a Kincat, has double proto weapons each with much more clip size (the weapons' only weaknesses), and has regen only beaten by the Cal scout. Passives arent even very useful unless you have enough eHP and firepower to down your opponent in a fight. Of course, you do get the first shot, but after that its a level playing field where the strongest suit wins (Assault/Sentinel) Strongest suit being scout - or people wouldn't be picking it so much, and PC's wouldn't just be heavies/scouts in each match. If CCP forces them into assault - how is that an upgrade if nothing but a nerf to scout happens? If it's true you'll be stronger in assault - then why aren't you using it to begin with? The logic doesn't make sense. Assaults already make up a good amount of PC's...whenver I form a PC squad I try to get assaults if I can find them, just because they are excellent suits for slaying, and I like having slayers at my back. And, Im not an assault to begin with because I like being a scout, have been a minmitar scout since day one, which is still viable, but not as good a slayer as an assault. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
gustavo acosta Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 320	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:16:00 - [13] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: I don't understand OP at all. Is he saying Scout players will be equally OP in assault suits and heavy suits? Hahahahaha. No. If you honestly believe your passives carry you that much then I wish you luck in the other suits. o/ You'll find your scout methods completely useless as a heavy or logi - and assaults are going to pop on my radar unless your giving up CPU/PG to remain undetected - and with an assault suit that just isn't wise. Ill show you what I would run as an assault. 1 damp, 2 KC's, 1 Reg, 3 extenders, 1 Energizer, aSMG, CR all proto, and a compact hive on top. Dodges all non precision scout passives, and then only if they have maxed skills, or a precision enhancer, 700 HP, moves faster than a Min scout with a Kincat, has double proto weapons each with much more clip size (the weapons' only weaknesses), and has regen only beaten by the Cal scout. Passives arent even very useful unless you have enough eHP and firepower to down your opponent in a fight. Of course, you do get the first shot, but after that its a level playing field where the strongest suit wins (Assault/Sentinel) Strongest suit being scout - or people wouldn't be picking it so much, and PC's wouldn't just be heavies/scouts in each match. If CCP forces them into assault - how is that an upgrade if nothing but a nerf to scout happens? If it's true you'll be stronger in assault - then why aren't you using it to begin with? The logic doesn't make sense. Assaults already make up a good amount of PC's...whenver I form a PC squad I try to get assaults if I can find them, just because they are excellent suits for slaying, and I like having slayers at my back. And, Im not an assault to begin with because I like being a scout, have been a minmitar scout since day one, which is still viable, but not as good a slayer as an assault. I've never been in a PC where the FC was scrambling to find assaults. I've also never been in a PC where assaults would dominate anything... Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:17:00 - [14] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 1 damp With one damp on an assault suit, you get under max skilled scout scans without mods, unless Am or Gal, and Gal only if skilled to proto. You also get under vehicle scanners and ADV AS which is very underrated. So, unless a Min or Cal scout sacrifice 1/3-1/4 of their HP to see you, they won't, no matter how much SP you invested. Which is as it should be. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
gustavo acosta Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 320	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:21:00 - [15] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 1 damp With one damp on an assault suit, you get under max skilled scout scans without mods, unless Am or Gal, and Gal only if skilled to proto. You also get under vehicle scanners and ADV AS which is very underrated. So, unless a Min or Cal scout sacrifice 1/3-1/4 of their HP to see you, they won't, no matter how much SP you invested. Which is as it should be. 1. I think you're underestimating how many gallente scouts are in the game... 2. Ah Ha so you DO tank shields on a scout you sicko! Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:21:00 - [16] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: I've never been in a PC where the FC was scrambling to find assaults. I've also never been in a PC where assaults would dominate anything... Thats why you need a good balance. If a team fields entirely heavies/Logis(Dark Legion), they can only control the city, and won't have the eWar or versatility that scouts and medium frames can provide for a flow of support between points. If a team fields entirely scouts (1.U.P.) they lose because of HMG heavies destroying them at all points. If a team fields entirely tanks and ADS's, they wouldn't even be able to cap a point or hold anything in the city. If a team fields entirely assaults, should they gain an advantage over those who have a healthy mix of unit types? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:23:00 - [17] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 1 damp With one damp on an assault suit, you get under max skilled scout scans without mods, unless Am or Gal, and Gal only if skilled to proto. You also get under vehicle scanners and ADV AS which is very underrated. So, unless a Min or Cal scout sacrifice 1/3-1/4 of their HP to see you, they won't, no matter how much SP you invested. Which is as it should be. 1. I think you're underestimating how many gallente scouts are in the game... 2. Ah Ha so you DO tank shields on a scout you sicko! 1. I think a lot of people over exaggerate how many there are. While they are by far the most common, they are also most definitely outweighed (haha) by heavies. 2. Of course. How else am I supposed to survive 1 shot from a bolt pistol or mass driver? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 110	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:30:00 - [18] - Quote Gav you make my day bro lolz you are so full of it. This must be a troll post? New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4050	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:31:00 - [19] - Quote I think why people hate the scout is not because it's able to hide, it's that scouts are dont insta die like they use to. Before, when I played Acout and I got caugh, I was dead. Simple as that, I'd have to sneak in to get a few kills then run out. Now, a lot of scouts use plates making them a lot tougher. Also, the CR/ACR are basically long range shotguns. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3355	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:34:00 - [20] - Quote I run almost purely assault and I have 0 problem w/ CR scouts the thing that really dominates me are the dampened cloaked SG scouts that 2 shot me from behind before I turn around. All I think is needed is a slight delay between firing and decloaking 2 seconds no more 3. Tanker/Logi/Assault

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1280	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:38:00 - [21] - Quote assault suit should be the go to for precision enhancement/range.. that part should not belong to the scout. they should get the damp bonuses which they do.. but not the detection. the assault suit would then be a counter to scout. but whatever.. i dont run infantry enough to really care much anymore. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:49:00 - [22] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: assault suit should be the go to for precision enhancement/range.. that part should not belong to the scout. they should get the damp bonuses which they do.. but not the detection. the assault suit would then be a counter to scout. but whatever.. i dont run infantry enough to really care much anymore. The assault already is the counter to a scout...much higher HP, more damage (with modules), skills that (excluding Caldari) are designed for spray and pray against scouts, as well as having strafe speeds negligibly smaller than a scouts. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 228	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:55:00 - [23] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: assault suit should be the go to for precision enhancement/range.. that part should not belong to the scout. they should get the damp bonuses which they do.. but not the detection. the assault suit would then be a counter to scout. but whatever.. i dont run infantry enough to really care much anymore. The assault already is the counter to a scout...much higher HP, more damage (with modules), skills that (excluding Caldari) are designed for spray and pray against scouts, as well as having strafe speeds negligibly smaller than a scouts. Wait, so you're saying it's the heavy spam countering assault suits that make everyone play Scout? ... cause that actually makes a lot of sense. Ask me how much I care and win a cookie!
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 110	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:01:00 - [24] - Quote Don't encourage him lol sarcasm is lost on text. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 110	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:01:00 - [25] - Quote Don't encourage him lol sarcasm is lost on text. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
D4GG3R Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 480	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:11:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1lo is pretty much right. Myself along with quite a few other scout players have other suits that we can get 30+ kills a game in just as easily as a scout suit. If you nerfed scout suits it will just make those scouts do the same thing they were doing before, except in a different suit. That's the way it always has been, good players find a way to excel regardless of the suit. I'm pretty plain. I watch anime for the boobs
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2550	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:14:00 - [27] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Don't encourage him lol sarcasm is lost on text. Im not being sarcastic; I don't see where Ive given any indication that I was. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 60	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:16:00 - [28] - Quote There is nothing to be careful for when people wish for a certain amount of a community that ruins gameplay to have their gear stripped of many unnecessary advantages.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 110	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:50:00 - [29] - Quote Good if you guys are going to get just as many if not more what is the problem lol why so much push back. You kids act like everyone doesn't play scout and they don't understand (pst everyone plays scout) and we all know exactly how over powered it is I myself play scout with sidearms and no cloak and still often wreck ****. It is redick how fail you guys come off and you just keep going lol. I can't take it lol your troll post wins.. you got me. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 110	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:50:00 - [30] - Quote Good if you guys are going to get just as many if not more what is the problem lol why so much push back. You kids act like everyone doesn't play scout and they don't understand (pst everyone plays scout) and we all know exactly how over powered it is I myself play scout with sidearms and no cloak and still often wreck ****. It is redick how fail you guys come off and you just keep going lol. I can't take it lol your troll post wins.. you got me. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.



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