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Unlucky Fluke The Rainbow Effect 28	Posted - 2014.10.08 21:23:00 - [1] - Quote I mean, it was bad before, but now its just closing in on being a parody. In almost every game I see it. It slowes the game down to a crawl, there really isn't any sort of urgency left in way too many battles. Earlier we could always flush the roof camping turds down with an OB, these days though, nothing works short of grabbing a RR, Sniper or a what-the-flux Bolt pistol. I'd rather die 3 stupid and horribly unjust deaths per game rather than getting bored to alcoholism by engaging people long range that merely have to backstep 1 m to be out of harms way. Get off of those roofs people, you're embarising yourselves and the game as a whole gets diminished. RIP KB! 100 K kills, you made it after all. MAG was better!
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1939	Posted - 2014.10.08 21:25:00 - [2] - Quote It is funny but you are right. Range has been king in the public matches for a while now and the difficulty of earning OB's has only made this worse. Now with more evil.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4083	Posted - 2014.10.08 21:29:00 - [3] - Quote Where it was before was too low, but I agree the current placement at 5K is too high. I'd like to see it adjusted somewhere in the middle. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
PO0KY Virtual Syndicate 1119	Posted - 2014.10.08 21:35:00 - [4] - Quote I love it the way it is. But maybe that's because I'm never a squad leader. I'm so helpful.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 505	Posted - 2014.10.08 22:06:00 - [5] - Quote If people didn't get swarms buffed and ads nerfed, we'd still have a viable counter to rooftop campers...
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 97	Posted - 2014.10.08 22:34:00 - [6] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: If people didn't get swarms buffed and ads nerfed, we'd still have a viable counter to rooftop campers... Ads are still pretty amazing to do so, it was so utterly op before that every ads users think it's nerfed now... Sorry for my bad english ^^
Everything Dies LIFE IS KILLING ME 1005	Posted - 2014.10.08 22:39:00 - [7] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: If people didn't get swarms buffed and ads nerfed, we'd still have a viable counter to rooftop campers... Ads are still pretty amazing to do so, it was so utterly op before that every ads users think it's nerfed now... Very true. I still see the same handful of ADS pilots dictating matches after Delta. The ones that are dying now are the ones that were being carried by OP-ness of the old dropships. Many will quit as a result, but a small percentage will learn, adapt and become fearsome pilots in their own right. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1132	Posted - 2014.10.08 22:50:00 - [8] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: If people didn't get swarms buffed and ads nerfed, we'd still have a viable counter to rooftop campers... Have you tried sniper rifles? Seriously, not a BS question, I mean this wholeheartedly. A charge will kill ANYTHING you can fit with 1 headshot. Of course you can't quite camp like you used too, but on the maps where rooftop camping is a problem there are lots of wide open spaces. Fixing swarms
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1926	Posted - 2014.10.08 22:55:00 - [9] - Quote To be fair, the ADS was never particularly OP and I could go into argument why that is, however that being said - as an ADS pilot myself, I don't think the ADS is in a particularly bad place now. If Rattati goes ahead with turret variations that would be very welcome. Also I really wish to god that the dropship collision mechanic was looked at. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4150	Posted - 2014.10.08 23:10:00 - [10] - Quote Never could figure out why 5000 was chosen anyway. The maths of the increase from 4 to 6 man squads worked out to be ~3600 AFAIK, that should have been the number chosen. (The godfather of tactical logistics)

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1245	Posted - 2014.10.09 01:29:00 - [11] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: If people didn't get swarms buffed and ads nerfed, we'd still have a viable counter to rooftop campers... Ads are still pretty amazing to do so, it was so utterly op before that every ads users think it's nerfed now... Not only that but I can get in a derp and fly to where the problem spot is , hop out as a heavy with a HMG and clean house . I do it and have done it so I know it's not that hard to do and I'm by myself most of the time . Hell , if it takes two or three trips then so be it . There are things that can be done , these people just love " easy mode " . Edit : Hell , it's a viable tactic and is even spoken about in the " Art Of War " , so I can't understand why people complain about those who improvise and actually use strategy , it makes the game interesting . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1245	Posted - 2014.10.09 01:38:00 - [12] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: To be fair, the ADS was never particularly OP and I could go into argument why that is, however that being said - as an ADS pilot myself, I don't think the ADS is in a particularly bad place now. If Rattati goes ahead with turret variations that would be very welcome. Also I really wish to god that the dropship collision mechanic was looked at. This is just not true , you must have not faced someone who invested as a infantry , getting rained down by whatever the munition was at a rate faster then a pitching machine throwing fastballs ? They were insanely OP and even more so when the skills stacked . You pilots are in a classic case of denial . If you want to talk crap about my investment , I have both to level 3 so I do understand about ADS's because my focal point are vehicle usage and destruction , sniping , heavy usage and medic . I have more then half of my 30 mil in vehicle usage . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17179	Posted - 2014.10.09 01:38:00 - [13] - Quote CPM hears the feedback loud and clear CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1245	Posted - 2014.10.09 01:43:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM hears the feedback loud and clear You mean , you hear the ing . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 221	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:05:00 - [15] - Quote Make it 2500WP since its in the middle. FFS 5000 WP FOR A ******* OB IS NO. Fix it CCP. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9698	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:10:00 - [16] - Quote If only there were stairs and ladders leading to the top of those towers, but oh well. I'll just wait for Project Legion instead. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1245	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:13:00 - [17] - Quote 5000 is for a squad not an individual , that should be easy for a squad to achieve and should stay the way that it is . More work and less reliance on an OB is always welcomed and it makes the squad work hard to gather the points needed and kills the OB spam and the stomping with multiple OB's . I'm glad that they changed it . Now if my team is getting stomped , they will not be able to give my team multiple OB's from the middle to the end of the game . You people act like you don't like to work for anything . Dumb turrets . Cry about ADS changes . Mad about having to work for an OB . But you love the exploits though and just don't make posts about changes to them . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Awesome Pantaloons Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 602	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:45:00 - [18] - Quote Play domination. You can make 5600 WP by yourself. Spam links, triage hives, proto ammo hives, logis and heavies. Let the points roll in. "Awesome Pants don't care. Awesome Pants don't give a s**t."
Awesome Pantaloons Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 603	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:53:00 - [19] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: You people act like you don't like to work for anything. like you don't like to work for anything *don't like to work for anything* EX-FUKING-ACTLY. That pretty much sums up every forum complaint aside from the OP BoP. "Awesome Pants don't care. Awesome Pants don't give a s**t."
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 221	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:27:00 - [20] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: 5000 is for a squad not an individual , that should be easy for a squad to achieve and should stay the way that it is . More work and less reliance on an OB is always welcomed and it makes the squad work hard to gather the points needed and kills the OB spam and the stomping with multiple OB's . I'm glad that they changed it . Now if my team is getting stomped , they will not be able to give my team multiple OB's from the middle to the end of the game . You people act like you don't like to work for anything . Dumb turrets . Cry about ADS changes . Mad about having to work for an OB . But you love the exploits though and just don't make posts about changes to them . Why the Beep am I not allowed to get a OB as a single person. Today I got 2500+WP and NO ***** OB. The 5000 WP requirement is just ridiculous Isn't this the reason of what makes Dust 514 Awesome. Calling in a OB But no because the *** Community says Nope increase that ** to 5k and now every DAME match I hear 1 or 0 OB's -_- MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.

Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1940	Posted - 2014.10.09 05:57:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Where it was before was too low, but I agree the current placement at 5K is too high. I'd like to see it adjusted somewhere in the middle. Agreed. 4000 WP would make them much more easily attainable by players of every skill level but still beyond the "3 per squad per match blap fest" that we had prior to the rising of the limit. Now with more evil.
Unlucky Fluke The Rainbow Effect 33	Posted - 2014.10.09 07:06:00 - [22] - Quote Well, this got a little out of hand. I really couldn't care less about OB's, I don't like to use them, they're cheap, and it sucks to die from them merely due to some morons "using teamwork" by exploiting the various WP giving mechanics of Dust. So yeah, bad topic title I suppose.. No its more about two things: 1. Map design. There are just way too many spots on every single map that is superb for rooftop camping. 2. The horrible Dust player base. Where camping on a rooftop is considered "using tactics". Too many people are too concerned with their KDR rather than having a fast paced fun game. Well, many might indeed find it fun to camp in one spot for 10 minutes, taking potshots at whatever is passing by in the distance. A large part of the player base coming from a "slow paced point and click in space" -game might have something to do with it. RIP KB! 100 K kills, you made it after all. MAG was better!
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 763	Posted - 2014.10.09 09:00:00 - [23] - Quote Get your squad in a tanked out regular dropship, raid and flush the enemy. OB spam anything that was giving you problems was a crutch, the fact that the game slows down long enough to allow momentum swings is a good thing.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 827	Posted - 2014.10.09 10:28:00 - [24] - Quote Unlucky Fluke wrote: Well, this got a little out of hand. I really couldn't care less about OB's, I don't like to use them, they're cheap, and it sucks to die from them merely due to some morons "using teamwork" by exploiting the various WP giving mechanics of Dust. So yeah, bad topic title I suppose.. No its more about two things: 1. Map design. There are just way too many spots on every single map that is superb for rooftop camping. 2. The horrible Dust player base. Where camping on a rooftop is considered "using tactics". Too many people are too concerned with their KDR rather than having a fast paced fun game. Well, many might indeed find it fun to camp in one spot for 10 minutes, taking potshots at whatever is passing by in the distance. A large part of the player base coming from a "slow paced point and click in space" -game might have something to do with it. Go back to playing COD
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 317	Posted - 2014.10.09 10:36:00 - [25] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Unlucky Fluke wrote: Well, this got a little out of hand. I really couldn't care less about OB's, I don't like to use them, they're cheap, and it sucks to die from them merely due to some morons "using teamwork" by exploiting the various WP giving mechanics of Dust. So yeah, bad topic title I suppose.. No its more about two things: 1. Map design. There are just way too many spots on every single map that is superb for rooftop camping. 2. The horrible Dust player base. Where camping on a rooftop is considered "using tactics". Too many people are too concerned with their KDR rather than having a fast paced fun game. Well, many might indeed find it fun to camp in one spot for 10 minutes, taking potshots at whatever is passing by in the distance. A large part of the player base coming from a "slow paced point and click in space" -game might have something to do with it. Ordinary GD peasant post Take a bow
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1245	Posted - 2014.10.09 12:44:00 - [26] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: 5000 is for a squad not an individual , that should be easy for a squad to achieve and should stay the way that it is . More work and less reliance on an OB is always welcomed and it makes the squad work hard to gather the points needed and kills the OB spam and the stomping with multiple OB's . I'm glad that they changed it . Now if my team is getting stomped , they will not be able to give my team multiple OB's from the middle to the end of the game . You people act like you don't like to work for anything . Dumb turrets . Cry about ADS changes . Mad about having to work for an OB . But you love the exploits though and just don't make posts about changes to them . Why the Beep am I not allowed to get a OB as a single person. Today I got 2500+WP and NO ***** OB. The 5000 WP requirement is just ridiculous Isn't this the reason of what makes Dust 514 Awesome. Calling in a OB But no because the *** Community says Nope increase that to 5k and now every DAME match I hear 1 or 0 OB's -_- I understand what you are talking about because I don't have a squad for the most part , my team is my squad and I solo most of the time , so I totally understand but I'm not bothered because the goal is to win not OB stomp and I care about the final outcome , not taking advantage of an exploit and having overkill because it's " cool " . These idiots will OB you while stomping and redlining you , now how or why is that necessary ..??.. your already winning and by an incredible amount at that and to overkill with excessive OB's is just unnecessary . Don't have to worry about that too much now . Now you have to work for such foolishness . It should stay at 5000 and I don't squad . Some of these changes are for the betterment of the game but most of you are unfamiliar with that concept , you love your exploits that this and other games give you . Part of the reason why so many of you are against a skill point refund . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .**
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1245	Posted - 2014.10.09 12:52:00 - [27] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: You people act like you don't like to work for anything. like you don't like to work for anything *don't like to work for anything* EX-FUKING-ACTLY. That pretty much sums up every forum complaint aside from the OP BoP. That $h!t was funny . It was like I herd it repeating in slow motion , going slower and slower . Hell , that crap is true though . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1245	Posted - 2014.10.09 12:56:00 - [28] - Quote You people forgot that you have FW and PC's to get your fix . Also like someone mentioned , you have DOM as well . But yet you still complain . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 507	Posted - 2014.10.09 16:31:00 - [29] - Quote Yep I'm an OP scrub pilot... I needed the stacking bonus, because the Bus gets a huuuuge RoF bonus to the missile turret... As has been said you pretty much have to suicide/sacrifice a dropship to clear a roof, but no one mentions the competent campers who will see you coming and 2 swarms will drop you before you can even reach the roof. Remember tank514 where you could actually kill a tank if you tried hard enough, but everyone cried for the nerfs, well it's the same thing right here. I still do fine with a dropship, but I avoid trying to help bad teams now, which means that rooftop is still gonna tear you ground troops to pieces while I keep a safe distance... Go near the roof, get lag, framerate drops, swarms kill you. I'm fine with everything except swarms because they're anti-fun and unavoidable, the lock holds through walls and the missiles will hit you unless you have an afterburner and are already flying at full speed in 1 direction... The turnspeed "nerf" is no use because if you fly around them they will just instantly explode and the damage will still apply, no turning or chasing needed. They're still invisible, laggy and broken. Not to mention missiles are the only useful weapon, yes I can use a rail but why bother when the missile does it better... blasters were working nicely (took a lot to hit anything but you could at least kill things with enough effort) but without the rate of fire they're useless as a front turret. The only thing that didn't get a nerf was the main problem for the ground troops and that is the missiles, which I still pop your proto crap to pieces with.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1027	Posted - 2014.10.09 17:18:00 - [30] - Quote Unlucky Fluke wrote: Well, this got a little out of hand. I really couldn't care less about OB's, I don't like to use them, they're cheap, and it sucks to die from them merely due to some morons "using teamwork" by exploiting the various WP giving mechanics of Dust. So yeah, bad topic title I suppose.. No its more about two things: 1. Map design. There are just way too many spots on every single map that is superb for rooftop camping. 2. The horrible Dust player base. Where camping on a rooftop is considered "using tactics". Too many people are too concerned with their KDR rather than having a fast paced fun game. Well, many might indeed find it fun to camp in one spot for 10 minutes, taking potshots at whatever is passing by in the distance. A large part of the player base coming from a "slow paced point and click in space" -game might have something to do with it. You do know that like 90% of the mobile sniping positions were intentionally obstructed by the devs right? The rooves are the only places left open... Look around the map see those oddly angled boxes, and bizarre head-height railings on bridges? They're designed to prevent same-level sniping. There are also bowls on the maps, that you don't realize are there until you get a long-range weapon out, because for all the other weapons, if you can shoot that range, you can see into it. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1659	Posted - 2014.10.09 17:24:00 - [31] - Quote My proposal, for what it's worth: OB#1 - 3k WP (+3000) OB#2 - 7k WP (+4000) OB#3 - 12k WP (+5000) OB#4 - 17k WP (+5000) ... The underlying observation is 5k WP makes the first OB happen too late in the round to have a substantive effect. The above proposal solves that, but also doesn't allow too many OBs per squad with the increasing WP between subsequent OBs.
DDx77 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.10.09 18:21:00 - [32] - Quote I would like to see OB go back to their original cost but kill everything it touches. That includes members of your own team, yourself, uplinks, and vehicles, etc. Obviously you would have to tweak the friendly fire mechanic to do this but it has never made any sense to me to have a a team be immune to a major bombardment like this.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1942	Posted - 2014.10.10 18:23:00 - [33] - Quote DDx77 wrote: I would like to see OB go back to their original cost but kill everything it touches. That includes members of your own team, yourself, uplinks, and vehicles, etc. Obviously you would have to tweak the friendly fire mechanic to do this but it has never made any sense to me to have a a team be immune to a major bombardment like this. I don't think that is going to happen (too much coding/client side changes?) but it is definitely a good idea. Having people rush in as the OB is falling on a point doesn't really make any sense. Now with more evil.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 987	Posted - 2014.10.10 18:57:00 - [34] - Quote Unlucky Fluke wrote: I mean, it was bad before, but now its just closing in on being a parody. In almost every game I see it. It slowes the game down to a crawl, there really isn't any sort of urgency left in way too many battles. Earlier we could always flush the roof camping turds down with an OB, these days though, nothing works short of grabbing a RR, Sniper or a what-the-flux Bolt pistol. I'd rather die 3 stupid and horribly unjust deaths per game rather than getting bored to alcoholism by engaging people long range that merely have to backstep 1 m to be out of harms way. Get off of those roofs people, you're embarising yourselves and the game as a whole gets diminished. its kid of stupid.. when the change first hit i was an advocate against the massive cost hike and people were against me.. but now those same people are complaining the cost is "Too damn high" i just love how these hypocrites are doing a 180 now. i proposed BOTH 3750 and 4000 points to deliver "the hurt" but nooo the bittervets are just too damn bitter :P [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 987	Posted - 2014.10.10 18:59:00 - [35] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: DDx77 wrote: I would like to see OB go back to their original cost but kill everything it touches. That includes members of your own team, yourself, uplinks, and vehicles, etc. Obviously you would have to tweak the friendly fire mechanic to do this but it has never made any sense to me to have a a team be immune to a major bombardment like this. I don't think that is going to happen (too much coding/client side changes?) but it is definitely a good idea. Having people rush in as the OB is falling on a point doesn't really make any sense. it was a server side change to change the orbital cost. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 987	Posted - 2014.10.10 19:03:00 - [36] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Get your squad in a tanked out regular dropship, raid and flush the enemy. OB spam anything that was giving you problems was a crutch, the fact that the game slows down long enough to allow momentum swings is a good thing. any one can take out a tanked dropship since the dropship nerf and swarm tripple buff. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 987	Posted - 2014.10.10 19:04:00 - [37] - Quote Unlucky Fluke wrote: Well, this got a little out of hand. I really couldn't care less about OB's, I don't like to use them, they're cheap, and it sucks to die from them merely due to some morons "using teamwork" by exploiting the various WP giving mechanics of Dust. So yeah, bad topic title I suppose.. No its more about two things: 1. Map design. There are just way too many spots on every single map that is superb for rooftop camping. 2. The horrible Dust player base. Where camping on a rooftop is considered "using tactics". Too many people are too concerned with their KDR rather than having a fast paced fun game. Well, many might indeed find it fun to camp in one spot for 10 minutes, taking potshots at whatever is passing by in the distance. A large part of the player base coming from a "slow paced point and click in space" -game might have something to do with it. orbitals.. for all those juicy rooftops filled with redberrys! remember those days? i do too.. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah


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