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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1131
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:09:00 -
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Scouts... scouts everywhere.
Seriously, has it been like this since the cloak got released? Seems like most of the enemy team/my team is always in scout suits.
Fixing swarms
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4149
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:11:00 -
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Was worse before. True story.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
480
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:13:00 -
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its the extra equipment slot that makes scouts stupid. they shouldnt have an invisibility and a utility equipment. you shouldnt be able to logi in a scout suit either. |
JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
217
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:14:00 -
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I mostly play Domination. Domination makes both teams fight in one spot instead of Skirmish have 4 to 5 Objectives and everyone running back and fourth.
MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1131
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:14:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Was worse before. True story. Before? As in before 1.7? I don't remember this many scoutsfests pre-1.7.
Or do you mean before present? Like 1.8 and 18.alpha-charlie?
Fixing swarms
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17177
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:23:00 -
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He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
480
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:31:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. |
XxVEXESxX
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:36:00 -
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When tacs were op it was scout tac omg fotm pre 1.8. Now its scout cloak shotty/ bolt / breach scrp omg fotm since delta. So yea your playing the right game.
PSN: XxVEXESxX
Minmatar loyalist
Dropsuit Upgrades level 5
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Crazy Cat Lady
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
201
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:53:00 -
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I hate scouts.
Kill them all please.
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Lloyd Orfay
Commando Perkone Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:05:00 -
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There's a reason for my signature, and that reason is that I may be the only person to make a medic suit from my scout suits
Important players help all, so until scout players start equipping mediguns they're as useful as afterbirths to me.
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Henrietta Unknown
Nox Lupos
360
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:21:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:There's a reason for my signature, and that reason is that I may be the only person to make a medic suit from my scout suits
Believe me, I'd thought about this, but I don't have nanites to 5.
Oh, would you think about that? 100% shield and armor restored to an ak.0 sentinel behind enemy lines.
Give the Magsex some love.
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Riruodo
Templar Investigative Commission
338
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:32:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:There's a reason for my signature, and that reason is that I may be the only person to make a medic suit from my scout suits
not the only one. I run kin-2 nanoinjector, and to keep my team mates fighting longer, pack an X-3 Quantum nanohive.
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2776
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:53:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol.
This is how I use my scout suits. My favorite suit that I use 90% of the time has 302 total hit points and is 100% invisible on the mini-map to anyone else. Period. I skirt the edges of battle taking down unsuspecting reinforcements and CRU's/objectives when the enemy squads I can't overpower move out. I love this playstyle.
EDIT: and no I don't use a shotgun ever. Dual SMG.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2776
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:56:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:There's a reason for my signature, and that reason is that I may be the only person to make a medic suit from my scout suits
You're not. I always carry a needle with me - I view myself as a combat medic on the fringes of battle - kill the stragglers, and revive those left for dead.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
4741
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Posted - 2014.10.08 23:03:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. A Logi (Precison 45) with one Complex Precision Enhancer should see most Scouts that don't pack DampsGǪ Can't remember the exact numbers at this point, and my PS3 is to accessible at the moment. Assaults should be able to get Precision to 33.75 with one CPE If a Scout is running all Armour they are Tacnet visible to a lot more than people believe. This also means you can see Chevrons over their heads when they are Cloaked.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
487
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Posted - 2014.10.08 23:10:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. A Logi (Precison 45) with one Complex Precision Enhancer should see most Scouts that don't pack DampsGǪ Can't remember the exact numbers at this point, and my PS3 is to accessible at the moment. Assaults should be able to get Precision to 33.75 with one CPE If a Scout is running all Armour they are Tacnet visible to a lot more than people believe. This also means you can see Chevrons over their heads when they are Cloaked. All scouts get down to 31.5 db with profile dampening at 5. so no you cant without 2, which lowers damage potential and if you shield tank HP. also assaults get to 36 db with a CPE, which isnt enough to pick up an undamped scout. |
Riruodo
Templar Investigative Commission
338
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Posted - 2014.10.08 23:11:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. A Logi (Precison 45) with one Complex Precision Enhancer should see most Scouts that don't pack DampsGǪ Can't remember the exact numbers at this point, and my PS3 is to accessible at the moment. Assaults should be able to get Precision to 33.75 with one CPE If a Scout is running all Armour they are Tacnet visible to a lot more than people believe. This also means you can see Chevrons over their heads when they are Cloaked. unless they are the Galscout or Calscout. They have a passive bonus to dampening. I think they get to about 27 if you are at Gal/Cal scout lvl 5 and dampening at lvl 5.
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2779
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Posted - 2014.10.08 23:48:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. A Logi (Precison 45) with one Complex Precision Enhancer should see most Scouts that don't pack DampsGǪ Can't remember the exact numbers at this point, and my PS3 is to accessible at the moment. Assaults should be able to get Precision to 33.75 with one CPE If a Scout is running all Armour they are Tacnet visible to a lot more than people believe. This also means you can see Chevrons over their heads when they are Cloaked. unless they are the Galscout or Calscout. They have a passive bonus to dampening. I think they get to about 27 if you are at Gal/Cal scout lvl 5 and dampening at lvl 5.
Plead the fifth. No reason to give out all of my "secrets"
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1132
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Posted - 2014.10.08 23:48:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. A Logi (Precison 45) with one Complex Precision Enhancer should see most Scouts that don't pack DampsGǪ Can't remember the exact numbers at this point, and my PS3 is to accessible at the moment. Assaults should be able to get Precision to 33.75 with one CPE If a Scout is running all Armour they are Tacnet visible to a lot more than people believe. This also means you can see Chevrons over their heads when they are Cloaked. All scouts get down to 31.5 db with profile dampening at 5. so no you cant without 2, which lowers damage potential and if you shield tank HP. also assaults get to 36 db with a CPE, which isnt enough to pick up an undamped scout. Therein lies the problem.
Scouts are better at just way too many things. The things they are better at they are way too good at.
I find pretty much no reason to use my Logistics A-1 suit at all (2 equipment slots....) rather than a scout.
Scouts can: See far See well Not be seen on TACNET Not be seen visibly (kinda)
All at the same time. This is a TREMENDOUS advantage, basically always having the initiative. Pair that with OHK weapons and greater mobility and no wonder they a FotM. Adding the versatility of a second equipment slot just adds insult to injury there.
How do you fix it? IDK. The way the logi was nerfed made it so that active scanners became useless except on the gallente, so I am not keen on that method... or maybe just not a fan of SUCH a large discrepancy.
Fixing swarms
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
4745
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Posted - 2014.10.08 23:50:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. A Logi (Precison 45) with one Complex Precision Enhancer should see most Scouts that don't pack DampsGǪ Can't remember the exact numbers at this point, and my PS3 is to accessible at the moment. Assaults should be able to get Precision to 33.75 with one CPE If a Scout is running all Armour they are Tacnet visible to a lot more than people believe. This also means you can see Chevrons over their heads when they are Cloaked. All scouts get down to 31.5 db with profile dampening at 5. so no you cant without 2, which lowers damage potential and if you shield tank HP. also assaults get to 36 db with a CPE, which isnt enough to pick up an undamped scout. Found some stuff put together for Charlie Profile rounds up to 32 and Logi hits 32GǪ proven that ties go to scannerGǪ Logi sees others on one Complex Profile. Not my work
Yes you need two for Gal/Cal scouts
KRRROOOOOOM
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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1132
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Posted - 2014.10.09 00:27:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:He was referring to 1.8 until CCP Rattati started to tone them back down. just make them reliant on the EWAR mods that they should be using so we dont get bricked scouts and take the extra equipment slot. Scouts should be squishy, fast little buggers that can get in, hack, get a quick kill or 2 if possible and get out fast or die in the process. Not lol look at me i have 700 armour and see everyone but i can only be seen by another scout lol. A Logi (Precison 45) with one Complex Precision Enhancer should see most Scouts that don't pack DampsGǪ Can't remember the exact numbers at this point, and my PS3 is to accessible at the moment. Assaults should be able to get Precision to 33.75 with one CPE If a Scout is running all Armour they are Tacnet visible to a lot more than people believe. This also means you can see Chevrons over their heads when they are Cloaked. unless they are the Galscout or Calscout. They have a passive bonus to dampening. I think they get to about 27 if you are at Gal/Cal scout lvl 5 and dampening at lvl 5.
You are right: Gal/cal scout get 26.5 dB @ lvl 5 in both, 20.08 dB with 1 cmplx, 15.71 with two advanced.
Am/Min get 31.5 with lvl 5 dampening, 23.6 dB with one cmpl, 18.4865625 with two.
Oh and an assault would get a 36 dB sensitivity with lvl 5 precision and 1 cmplx enhancer.
Fixing swarms
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1093
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Posted - 2014.10.09 00:31:00 -
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Just dropping that second equipment slot would fix a lot. +1 |
Henrietta Unknown
Nox Lupos
362
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Posted - 2014.10.09 01:13:00 -
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RemingtonBeaver wrote:Just dropping that second equipment slot would fix a lot. +1 So scouts can't cloak AND spam RE's.
Man up for the RE's, or remain a coward under cloak.
Give the Magsex some love.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2483
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Posted - 2014.10.09 01:36:00 -
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XxVEXESxX wrote:When tacs were op it was scout tac omg fotm pre 1.8. WTF are you talking about
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Atiim
12837
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Posted - 2014.10.09 01:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Every class has drawbacks, Scouts should be one of them.
The 1st Matari Commando
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XxVEXESxX
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Posted - 2014.10.26 03:59:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:XxVEXESxX wrote:When tacs were op it was scout tac omg fotm pre 1.8. WTF are you talking about Chromosome.
PSN: XxVEXESxX
Minmatar loyalist
MK.0 A/C/L
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1371
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Posted - 2014.10.26 06:33:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Scouts... scouts everywhere.
Seriously, has it been like this since the cloak got released? Seems like most of the enemy team/my team is always in scout suits. indeed cause its literally scout514 atm with scout suits baught between 40k a 60k daily
http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php <- right side dropdown menu, select dropsuits
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