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valad II
NoGameNoLife
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:23:00 -
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Crying and whining about losing battles from roof top campers while sitting in the safe confines of your Missile tank. How ironic.
Or is it moronic?
You had me on your side about the bullsh!t rooftop campers until you said you wouldn't get out of your tank.
I have been in many dominations where they held the high ground and still lost because they couldn't defend the point. They were trapped up high. I have been in many battles where we were trapped up high.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
6
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:24:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I am missing orbitals a bit at their new requirement. The old score was too low, but current is a bit too high as well. I disagree. The current way things are is much better. Gone are the days (generally) when every time you managed to push the enemy back , you would get nuked by an orbital. That alone demoralised players into giving up. Games are much more fun now with less orbital spam. Just my opinion.
Orbitals are reserved for squads that are stomping people into the ground now. They should have a progressive requirement so that the little guys have a chance at bombing the squads that have locked down a point.
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valad II
NoGameNoLife
248
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:25:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously. Solution would be to not allow uplinks close to the objective and to move the objective to an outdoor, open location. Domination has the potential to be the closest thing to a land war with some semblance of a battle line. Constant attacking and ebb and flow is the pattern a fom match should have. Even make it where the hack itself would be quick and then the emphasis would be on the defending. If anything objectives should be closed in more. Look at all the maps where the objective is open TANKS WIN.
Tanks are so weak now. They are good for farming warpoints. Your argument is invalid. I will camp all match up high with IAFG and farm points and blow up tanks. They sit in their crutch,, I will sit up higher on mine. |
DELB0Y
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:28:00 -
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valad II wrote:Crying and whining about losing battles from roof top campers while sitting in the safe confines of your Missile tank. How ironic.
Or is it moronic?
You had me on your side about the bullsh!t rooftop campers until you said you wouldn't get out of your tank.
I have been in many dominations where they held the high ground and still lost because they couldn't defend the point. They were trapped up high. I have been in many battles where we were trapped up high.
My tank is not a safe place to be if I wanna provide any meaningful help to the droves of horrible blueberrys that are usually on my team
You give up our position one more time, I'll bleed you, real quiet, and leave you here. Got that?
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BlazeXYZ
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
270
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:43:00 -
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DELB0Y wrote:Drop uplinks on roof tops is constant win tactic in domination, AV on roof tops is a constant win tactic. How do you get rid of these av players/drop uplinks on tall buildings Ratatti? Answer used to be dropships but with the double swarm buff and the afterburner nerf who the **** wants to risk all that isk dealing with the rooftop uplinks/AVers. Sooooooooooo bored of this game. Judge has fcuked off to Destiny and I'm thinking about fcuking off to Halo. Ratatti, vehicle players and matches are suffering because of a lot of your ill thought out ideas. Any other vehicle players nearly done with this game?
I feel your pain man. I can't even ride a dropship to take down those uplinks. Lol
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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Orphan Shadow
Waiting For Deployment
186
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Posted - 2014.10.07 00:04:00 -
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It would be nice if deployable equipment had an "electrical" field component that limited overlapping radius of nearby equipment. Set the number to two, for example. Someone drops a deployable that is already overlapped by 2 other pieces of equipment, the newly placed unit disappears and is unrecoverable. People would need to be more strategic, and you wouldn't have lag monsters like the underground supply depot in the lab.
As for the OP, I'm not going to argue with an angry Englishman. Sorry to hear your squad mates have left the game. There are plenty of others willing to squad up. And regarding Judge, I thought he was away due to RL issues, not because he's playing Destiny. I just can't see someone like Judge snubbing us like that. Pyrex, yes. Judge, no.  |
Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.10.07 00:16:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously. Solution would be to not allow uplinks close to the objective and to move the objective to an outdoor, open location. Domination has the potential to be the closest thing to a land war with some semblance of a battle line. Constant attacking and ebb and flow is the pattern a fom match should have. Even make it where the hack itself would be quick and then the emphasis would be on the defending. If anything objectives should be closed in more. Look at all the maps where the objective is open TANKS WIN.
That's the point though. Tanks and other vehicles would matter as would their counters. The hack being quick and therefore the least problematic thing would allow tanks et al to have limited effectiveness in the hack. Even if they are sitting right there they can't shoot a qhole squad who could say, hack in one second. AV could absolutely bombard tanks from a safe distance and could be used with little recourse for a whole squad going AV (Again due to how the hqck would be carried out).
Then the problem becomes holding the other team off of a counter hack. Rather than a team sitting on the objective for long periods it could be a one minute tick before it can be counter hacked and a win would come from the total amount of time held, made up of one or two minute periods of the objective being on your side.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3997
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Posted - 2014.10.07 02:54:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Solution would be to not allow uplinks close to the objective and to move the objective to an outdoor, open location. Domination has the potential to be the closest thing to a land war with some semblance of a battle line. Constant attacking and ebb and flow is the pattern a dom match should have. Even make it where the hack itself would be quick and then the emphasis would be on the defending.
I was thinking on limits on uplink distance. Hard to do that though, I imagine. Definitely a client patch thing. And really, being able to fortify is a big part of defending. It just needs to be a little more handleable. I don't really think it should be open to tanks, but it should be approachable by infantry from a lot of directions. Parking tanks, LAVs, and dropships in the way of the point on Dom is really annoying. (See the LAV in the crate on Line Harvest.)
CommanderBolt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I am missing orbitals a bit at their new requirement. The old score was too low, but current is a bit too high as well. I disagree. The current way things are is much better. Gone are the days (generally) when every time you managed to push the enemy back , you would get nuked by an orbital. That alone demoralised players into giving up. Games are much more fun now with less orbital spam. Just my opinion.
I think it's a balance. An orbital can help a team who's down clear an area so they can press in and take an objective. Orbitals are monumentally helpful in capturing the point in Dom. But the spam before was definitely WAY too much, and I agree with the change that was made. I just think maybe instead of 5000 WP, it could be like 4000 WP or something. Still less than before.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
384
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:04:00 -
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Yeh the uplink spam on domination on buildings/high grounds is just silly. the ADS nerf was aswell a factor cause with them you actually had a chance to destroy upliks+twatts camping there. Now its allmost impossible to do so. Couldnt there be a hight limitiation of where you can put uplinks? Like the same where you cant call in vehicles on top of a building? So if the location is too high the deployed link gets destroyed. It would aswell make PC matches more interesting.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:39:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously.
If the mercenaries, ya know, actually banded together and worked towards the victory, they would win. Too many people trying to do their own solo thing instead of that of a team.
I've been in dom matches with guys whom I didn't know but put in a effort to win the match. We were in the dumps but the synergy increased. People actually used teamwork and we brought the game back in our favor leading to a nice do or die finish at the end.
I even play solo alot, but I will jump in a squad with a empty slot in a heartbeat.
If the team play as a team instead that of a solo blueberry, then they would win or die trying.
The problem with all these "the new matchmaking system doesn't work" threads is that people fail to realize that you cannot change how a blueberry plays. If he wants to do solo and say eff the teamwork crap, he's going to do it.
The truth is, the new set of playerbase is really not that competitive and don't care about teamwork
It's a problem with most games across the board, team based games are ran by solo players only thinking about their own hides.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9672
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:59:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Delt wouldn't of been out for real life stuff.
Remember that in the next election. Real life is unpredictable, dude. Not mine 
Just because yours is predictable it doesn't mean everyone else's life is the same way.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1389
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Posted - 2014.10.07 04:10:00 -
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DELB0Y wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:standard dropships got buffed in delta. Take one with two gunners and as many heavies as you can get and 9 times out of 10 that roof will be cleared. Obviously that's fine for a team dude. Not solo blueberry's like me though Dust514 is a squad based game. Non-squads suffer. Always have, always will.
In New Eden no SP is wisely spent.
CCP will Nerf the reason right out from under you.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7818
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Posted - 2014.10.07 04:21:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:DELB0Y wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:standard dropships got buffed in delta. Take one with two gunners and as many heavies as you can get and 9 times out of 10 that roof will be cleared. Obviously that's fine for a team dude. Not solo blueberry's like me though Dust514 is a squad based game. Non-squads suffer. Always have, always will.
True to life, true as can be.
This is a squad based game, it has been and will always be but the solo casual pubsters want to be relevant in this game as well.
I hope in Legion there is a better Organization of skill and teamplay.
Hi-sec would be solo players besides the really good ones and overall lower performing players. hi-sec also pays out lower ISK |
(high) Low-sec is for organized individuals and experienced players. Squads and Above Average solo players usually reside here.
(low) Low-sec / Null-sec - typically FW and PC are held in these areas. No matchmaking under any cercumstances should be allowed in these gameplay modes.
If CCP even decides to put matchmaking in FW I will flip my ****, although they already tried to tamper with it by holding the Caldari's hand and having it to where they couldn't lose all their territories again and Gallente couldn't curb stomp them.
See you space cowboy...
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Mregomies
Beer For Evil Mercs
289
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Posted - 2014.10.07 07:40:00 -
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Hop off from your tincan for a while... I'll forge your ash everytime I see your name in battle list  and if there is pyrex also... I'll take my swarms.
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1208
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Posted - 2014.10.07 08:38:00 -
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DELB0Y wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously. Pisss off you ginger prick, nobody likes you
I knew it was just a matter of time before this disgusting ginger prejudice raised its ugly head, a head decidedly not ginger.
Because, that's why.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
423
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:13:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously.
move the domination hacking points out into open spaces and hacking panels underneath so they cant be defended by rooftop campers and explsoives are easy to remove. every person is exposed while trying to defend or attack. vehicles become the best way to assault/defend the objective. ads can make passes without being annoyed by obstacles and at the same time are vunrable to being countered. tanks have nowhere to hide while need to repair. lavs....would probably get good use. anyone cant go top of the buildings but theyd be out of the way and usless to have. unless you want to snipe.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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rpastry
The Rainbow Effect
246
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:54:00 -
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having a bunch of roof campers doesn't automatically win the game.
there's no place that can't be countered but expecting to solo a whole enemy team is optimistic.
it doesn't mean the game is broken.
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Spaceman-Rob
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
557
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Posted - 2014.10.07 11:51:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously. move the domination hacking points out into open spaces and hacking panels underneath so they cant be defended by rooftop campers and explsoives are easy to remove. every person is exposed while trying to defend or attack. vehicles become the best way to assault/defend the objective. ads can make passes without being annoyed by obstacles and at the same time are vunrable to being countered. tanks have nowhere to hide while need to repair. lavs....would probably get good use. anyone cant go top of the buildings but theyd be out of the way and usless to have. unless you want to snipe.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
974
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Posted - 2014.10.07 12:38:00 -
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DELB0Y wrote:Drop uplinks on roof tops is constant win tactic in domination, AV on roof tops is a constant win tactic. How do you get rid of these av players/drop uplinks on tall buildings Ratatti? Answer used to be dropships but with the double swarm buff and the afterburner nerf who the **** wants to risk all that isk dealing with the rooftop uplinks/AVers. Sooooooooooo bored of this game. Judge has fcuked off to Destiny and I'm thinking about fcuking off to Halo. Ratatti, vehicle players and matches are suffering because of a lot of your ill thought out ideas. Any other vehicle players nearly done with this game?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL get out of your tank and into an ADS dude if you want to kill people who stay out of your way (Roofs)
ps. sucks dosnt it? no more GODMODE! for you ;p
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
974
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Posted - 2014.10.07 12:40:00 -
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rpastry wrote:having a bunch of roof campers doesn't automatically win the game.
there's no place that can't be countered but expecting to solo a whole enemy team is optimistic.
it doesn't mean the game is broken.
this. even if there is a sniper camper most points are easly hacked, but if you cannot because of a sniper, guess what? its sniper hunting time! go collect skulls and thales rifles from those scrub lords!
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
469
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:24:00 -
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1. Swarm'ers at tower dont do any harm to you on the ground. They are good only for dropship defense at this place.
2. I'm solo forge now - most of time when I hunt you - you wander your tank at my redline hungry for kills ;) So there must be hard time for you there soloing (any hard time for tanks ... since beta?). Even more, last time all your team protecting your tank with own bodies catching my forge-frisbee (fun time - even with bad K/D). This make you safe at running around. So dont worry there will be always someone around to hunt or protect you.
You are still at better position then solo AV ;)
Not much time left...
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
4004
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:44:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:DELB0Y wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously. Pisss off you ginger prick, nobody likes you I knew it was just a matter of time before this disgusting ginger prejudice raised its ugly head, a head decidedly not ginger.
Confirmed I am not a ginger.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
149
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:47:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:DELB0Y wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I've always hated Domination, whoever leads in the early game is almost guaranteed to win. Not sure I've seen a good idea to fix it yet. Definitely open to ideas. Making vehicles OP again isn't really a good solution. Personally, I like the idea of nerfing the crud out of uplinks, but that's because I hate uplinks passionately as a game mechanic. ;) There's just nothing better than uplinks in the game right now.
As a note, Judge is out due to real life stuff, and he does take his commitment to the DUST playerbase quite seriously. Pisss off you ginger prick, nobody likes you I knew it was just a matter of time before this disgusting ginger prejudice raised its ugly head, a head decidedly not ginger. Confirmed I am not a ginger.
Not ginger upss boyo
"Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Tinker of HAWC"
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
977
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:39:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I am missing orbitals a bit at their new requirement. The old score was too low, but current is a bit too high as well.
i would have liked 3.6k to 4k (4k more because it needs 666 points per person in a squad of 6  )
[[LogiBro in Training]]
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
977
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:42:00 -
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rpastry wrote:having a bunch of roof campers doesn't automatically win the game.
there's no place that can't be countered but expecting to solo a whole enemy team is optimistic.
it doesn't mean the game is broken.
more often then not roof-camping with out pushing == losing the match.
you need roof campers to help ward off vehicles and a couple snipers to thin the enemy numbers and pop their equipment whilst the BULK of the team pushes via ground with logi support and uplinks
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
977
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:44:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:DELB0Y wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:standard dropships got buffed in delta. Take one with two gunners and as many heavies as you can get and 9 times out of 10 that roof will be cleared. Obviously that's fine for a team dude. Not solo blueberry's like me though Dust514 is a squad based game. Non-squads suffer. Always have, always will. True to life, true as can be. This is a squad based game, it has been and will always be but the solo casual pubsters want to be relevant in this game as well. I hope in Legion there is a better Organization of skill and teamplay. Hi-sec would be solo players besides the really good ones and overall lower performing players. hi-sec also pays out lower ISK | (high) Low-sec is for organized individuals and experienced players. Squads and Above Average solo players usually reside here. (low) Low-sec / Null-sec - typically FW and PC are held in these areas. No matchmaking under any cercumstances should be allowed in these gameplay modes. If CCP even decides to put matchmaking in FW I will flip my ****, although they already tried to tamper with it by holding the Caldari's hand and having it to where they couldn't lose all their territories again and Gallente couldn't curb stomp them.
id expect legion to mirror eve.. high sec is just trolling,awoxing, scamming and NPCs. lowsec is mechanics abuseing(station games n stuff) FW and piracy.. nullsec is entitled A-holes who believe they own eve and should change to their whims due to stupidly high incomes because of alliances and NAP's for max isk grinding. nothing more.
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
1024
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:48:00 -
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When I solo and have this problem I like to grab a cheap heavy with hmg and a viper. Fly up to the ceiling and approach the rooftop campers from behind them and the quickly descend into their position.
I always try to crush them when I land or at least split the group with my DS in the middle of them. Hop out and spray them all in the face with hmg while tossing fluxes on the uplinks.
Depending on how many of them there are it could take multiple attempts but eventually the roof will be cleared.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4884
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:52:00 -
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Domination is a fun gamemode on certain maps if both teams make a fight out of it. The issue with a domination is that you are trying to push out potentially 16 people from one objective. It takes waves of people and a constant battle for high ground. You have to be willing to spend some money to get a good domination match.
It's also vital to get a presence at the point right from the start. You can hit the high ground after push back the initial push in a domination most of the time. But getting a bunch of blueberries to fight through a decent defense just doesn't happen enough, so I put a premium on getting 4 or 5 dudes at the point right of the bat (fast uplink via scout or dropship).
It's a battle for uplinks at this point. The constant waves of dudes spawning in on uplinks that are closer and closer to the point. This is where ADS is really nice. If you make some of the dudes on defense spawn in with AV you've softened it up. A good ADS pilot is killing uplinks and keeping the enemy behind cover as the blues advance on the point. A fast hack min scout scoots in to hack. You know you are in for a fight if there is already an enemy dropship taking the high ground and killing uplinks.
I freakin love a good domination. It comes down to two teams that want to slug it out for pride and will to win because it's an investment. Call it fun tokens because you have to be willing to spend some ISK if both teams decide they aren't going to lose.
Domination needs a much higher payout.
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