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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.06 00:03:00 -
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I pray that CCP does not take the nerf bat to the scouts. It's my favorite class. I can run 500 eHP max on my proto caldari scout. I assume you are talking about the gallente scout?
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:21:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:It amazes me how stupid some players are and they believe that more hp is always better in this game.
My 400 hp scouts wrecks 700 hp scouts and my 990 armor hp ak.0 heavy wrecks 1300 armor hp heavies.
Strafing, speed, flanking, using cover, stealth, situational awarness, the ability to aim and land shoots on target and using your eyes to find scouts not the tacnet, are the most important part of this game, not hp. And this is true regardless of the suit you are using.
Only bad players brick fit scouts. And only worse players complain about them. Get good and quit your bitching. If you pulled your head from your ass you would realize there are multiple counters to brick fit scouts. so you arguments for scouts being able to do all roles is because you can defeat bad players?  1/10 troll attempt It is obvious you can't read. My argument is that more HP does not make scouts or any dropsuit better. I know players that dampen assault suits and **** face with them. I speed tank heavies and murder brick fit heavies. My dampend scouts slaughter brick fit scouts. HP is the least important stat in this game and if you don't understand why that is true than there is no hope for you.
HP is not the least important stat. There is a difference between a 1000+ brick tanked heavy and a 300 eHP scout.
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:23:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Speed. Shield tanks do not sacrifice speed for their tank. As for armor tanking, just stick to ferroscale and reactives. Dual tanking is still very much a possibility The op said 700+ hp. Most if not everyone pointed at thE gal scout. Gal scouts max armor is 750, which is only achieved from 4 complex armor plates. Stacking ferro's, iirc, gets you to just over 600 armor, and reactives just under 600. None of those fits would be viable except maybe the ferro, speed wise. Now, for shield suits, the max you could have is 450 shields which doesn't seem too much (imo). That of course would be the scout,ck.o with 4 complex shields. This is almost a very good fit if it didn't lack ewar . The part where it really gets stupid is when you put 2 enhanced plates, which bumps you up to about 450/330. (Those numbers are very very close to my min assault). I'm pretty sure that if you don'T use a cloak, you'd be able to toss a complex plate or two. Yes, you could put on ferro and blah blah, but these "scouts" want to be hp effectivE more than anything . To fix these absurd numbers I'd suggest nerfing pg/cpu capabilities of the scout, and maybe have hp mods give like half of what they'd normally give (just spit balling)
That would turn newer players away from scouts, because of the lack of fitting capabillities w/ cloak field.
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.07 01:16:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Mex-0 wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:It amazes me how stupid some players are and they believe that more hp is always better in this game.
My 400 hp scouts wrecks 700 hp scouts and my 990 armor hp ak.0 heavy wrecks 1300 armor hp heavies.
Strafing, speed, flanking, using cover, stealth, situational awarness, the ability to aim and land shoots on target and using your eyes to find scouts not the tacnet, are the most important part of this game, not hp. And this is true regardless of the suit you are using.
Only bad players brick fit scouts. And only worse players complain about them. Get good and quit your bitching. If you pulled your head from your ass you would realize there are multiple counters to brick fit scouts. so you arguments for scouts being able to do all roles is because you can defeat bad players? 1/10 troll attempt It is obvious you can't read. My argument is that more HP does not make scouts or any dropsuit better. I know players that dampen assault suits and **** face with them. I speed tank heavies and murder brick fit heavies. My dampend scouts slaughter brick fit scouts. HP is the least important stat in this game and if you don't understand why that is true than there is no hope for you. HP is not the least important stat. There is a difference between a 1000+ brick tanked heavy and a 300 eHP scout. Yet that 300 hp scout can use speed and damps to sneak up on and kill that heavy. It is a lot easier for a heavy to kill a brick tanked scout than a fast, sneaky dampened scout. When I run hmg the only scouts I have trouble killing are fast, sneaky ghost scouts. Brick fit scouts are easy to kill with an hmg especially a burst. So again, hp is not as important as players think it is. And complaining about brick fit scouts is laughable since they are the easiest scouts to kill.
Yeah, It's SOOO easy killing brick tanked heavies. All you have to do is burn through 500 shields and 500 eHP (depending on sentinel type) before he turns around and sprays you dead with his water sprinkler gun. *sarcasm off*
I'm not denying scouts can kill with less than 300 HP. I've played as a scout, and I've been able to kill pretty much every heavy with a full round from my CR and smg. It's the fact that if you are spotted at long range you are dead meat which might be kind of annoying for newbies.
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.07 23:58:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Mex-0 wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Speed. Shield tanks do not sacrifice speed for their tank. As for armor tanking, just stick to ferroscale and reactives. Dual tanking is still very much a possibility The op said 700+ hp. Most if not everyone pointed at thE gal scout. Gal scouts max armor is 750, which is only achieved from 4 complex armor plates. Stacking ferro's, iirc, gets you to just over 600 armor, and reactives just under 600. None of those fits would be viable except maybe the ferro, speed wise. Now, for shield suits, the max you could have is 450 shields which doesn't seem too much (imo). That of course would be the scout,ck.o with 4 complex shields. This is almost a very good fit if it didn't lack ewar . The part where it really gets stupid is when you put 2 enhanced plates, which bumps you up to about 450/330. (Those numbers are very very close to my min assault). I'm pretty sure that if you don'T use a cloak, you'd be able to toss a complex plate or two. Yes, you could put on ferro and blah blah, but these "scouts" want to be hp effectivE more than anything . To fix these absurd numbers I'd suggest nerfing pg/cpu capabilities of the scout, and maybe have hp mods give like half of what they'd normally give (just spit balling) That would turn newer players away from scouts, because of the lack of fitting capabillities w/ cloak field. Nobody said they had to use a cloak
The ability to use a cloak is pretty appealing to new players.
I for one only started scouting again after 1.8 cloak release.
I used it to practice sneaking, and after i got better, I gave it up.
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:32:00 -
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I think the thing that annoys most people is the Scout gk.0 with a shotty and a cloak. The gallente scout's scan profile is so low that only a fraction of players can detect them.
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.08 23:54:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Mex-0 wrote:I think the thing that annoys most people is the Scout gk.0 with a shotty and a cloak. The gallente scout's scan profile is so low that only a fraction of players can detect them. It has the same profile as the caldari scout. Both can be detected by the active scanner unless they give up a third of their module slots and fit a proto cloak.
The caldari scout has 2 low slots, while the gallente scout has 4 or 5. (I don't remember)
It's easier for the Gallente scout to be stealthier.
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.09 00:16:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Mex-0 wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Mex-0 wrote:I think the thing that annoys most people is the Scout gk.0 with a shotty and a cloak. The gallente scout's scan profile is so low that only a fraction of players can detect them. It has the same profile as the caldari scout. Both can be detected by the active scanner unless they give up a third of their module slots and fit a proto cloak. The caldari scout has 2 low slots, while the gallente scout has 4 or 5. (I don't remember) It's easier for the Gallente scout to be stealthier. Easier? Both need two damps and a proto cloak to pass all scans. But since the Gallente relies on armor extenders, it is gimped more so than the Cal Scout, who need not sacrifice the shield extenders in its high slots to pass scans. Now that I've said that, Gallente scouts can still pack a ton of armor when fitting two damps.
Yeah... except for maybe the fact that the calscout has to sacrafice its armor. If you get fluxed in that fit, then well you're screwed.
I run a complex reactive plates with a complex damp on my calscout. it works fine in most pubs/fw,
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2014.10.09 00:23:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:So that's why scouts who survive should be aware of things like grenades. Not to say that I also run with one cmplx reactive, but also a cmplx range instead of dampening mod. Hasn't caused me problems just yet.  Or you know, pack a Compact or K-17 Nanohive.
I move around alot, so the nanohives don't really work for me.
Somtimes i just get logi'd by a corp member.
Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
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