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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:22:00 -
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The little bonus that all Minmatar suits get to hacking? I'm not complaining about it, but it seems so... illogical. Being the least technologically advanced race,one would imagine that they would actually have a harder time hacking. I understand it is for balance and that balance>realism, but I'd like to hear some sort of explanation for this.
Again. Not complaining, just pointing out how strange it is. |
Kaughst
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:25:00 -
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I think there a number of suits that get a inherent bonus to hacking anyway, but minny have always been the go when it comes to hacking...I guess between precision, dampening and scan range minny had to have something worth while.
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DAAAA BEAST
BEAST EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:26:00 -
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It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
391
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:31:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:37:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:The little bonus that all Minmatar suits get to hacking? I'm not complaining about it, but it seems so... illogical. Being the least technologically advanced race,one would imagine that they would actually have a harder time hacking. I understand it is for balance and that balance>realism, but I'd like to hear some sort of explanation for this.
Again. Not complaining, just pointing out how strange it is. Minmatar achieved massive technical advancements before the Amarr came, they developed it on their own not relying on old tech discoveries like the Amarr did. They are the most adaptive and innovative of all the factions. It only makes sense that they hack faster from my point of view.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
391
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:50:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:The little bonus that all Minmatar suits get to hacking? I'm not complaining about it, but it seems so... illogical. Being the least technologically advanced race,one would imagine that they would actually have a harder time hacking. I understand it is for balance and that balance>realism, but I'd like to hear some sort of explanation for this.
Again. Not complaining, just pointing out how strange it is. Minmatar achieved massive technical advancements before the Amarr came, they developed it on their own not relying on old tech discoveries like the Amarr did. They are the most adaptive and innovative of all the factions. It only makes sense that they hack faster from my point of view. I suppose that makes a bit of sense. I just can't help but feel that even for all their innovation, the Caldari would be the ones with the best hacking.
Maybe the Minmatar just resort to brute force when it comes to hacking, while the other races rely on more stealthy approaches?...
That sentence makes me want a mechanic in the game that allows for stealthily hacking objectives. It would be cool to hack a point, and the enemy doesn't even know its been hacked until the point is halfway flipped. Of course there would need to be counters to this.There could even be hacking resistances that you could apply to hackable stuff. Man. They could make hacking a whole new aspect to the game, where factors like speed, stealth, detection, and resistance could be racial traits!...
Imagine having a suit built specifically to hack things quickly from a distance. You could hack an enemy RE and have it explode on them! Or you could turn uplinks around, or any equipment and use it against the enemy. You could have one build specifically designed to get around the huge hacking resistances of things like vehicles and kill the driver from the inside! Features like this would make Dust truly unique, and actually set it apart from other lobby shooters. |
Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:14:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:The little bonus that all Minmatar suits get to hacking? I'm not complaining about it, but it seems so... illogical. Being the least technologically advanced race,one would imagine that they would actually have a harder time hacking. I understand it is for balance and that balance>realism, but I'd like to hear some sort of explanation for this.
Again. Not complaining, just pointing out how strange it is.
It makes no sense other than CCP was out of anything else to give them. Lorewise, the Minmatar would just as soon throw an RE on the controls and blow it upl
It would make more sense to give them speed and damage in everything else or at least speed with counter hacking only.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3218
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:17:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races.
I believe that's not quite accurate. I think they get 5% more than other races within that class.
Logistics Get +15% Minmatar Logistics gets +20%
Scouts get +5% Minmatar Scout gets +10%
Assaults get +0% Minmatar Assaults gets +5%
No bonus for Heavy frames.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
392
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:21:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. I believe that's not quite accurate. I think they get 5% more than other races within that class. Logistics Get +15% Minmatar Logistics gets +20% Scouts get +5% Minmatar Scout gets +10% Assaults get +0% Minmatar Assaults gets +5% No bonus for Heavy frames. Oh. Still kinda weird. I also want hacking to become more complex. There could even be a light frame specialization focused on hacking. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3218
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:29:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. I believe that's not quite accurate. I think they get 5% more than other races within that class. Logistics Get +15% Minmatar Logistics gets +20% Scouts get +5% Minmatar Scout gets +10% Assaults get +0% Minmatar Assaults gets +5% No bonus for Heavy frames. Oh. Still kinda weird. I also want hacking to become more complex. There could even be a light frame specialization focused on hacking.
It's called the Minmatar Scout. +5% to hack speed per level, unless they've since removed it?
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
392
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:40:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. I believe that's not quite accurate. I think they get 5% more than other races within that class. Logistics Get +15% Minmatar Logistics gets +20% Scouts get +5% Minmatar Scout gets +10% Assaults get +0% Minmatar Assaults gets +5% No bonus for Heavy frames. Oh. Still kinda weird. I also want hacking to become more complex. There could even be a light frame specialization focused on hacking. It's called the Minmatar Scout. +5% to hack speed per level, unless they've since removed it? No, I'm thinking of a new class of light frame dedicated to hacking. Not scouts.
The Amarr suit would be focused on applying resistances to hacking attempts on EVERYTHING, and detecting hack attempts on friendly assets. Basically the anti hacker suit of the bunch. More about fighting hacks than hacking. The Caldari one would be focused on hacking stuff from a distance.The enemy will probably know it is being hacked, but there won't be much they can do about it other than slow it down. The Gallente one would be focused on hacking things stealthily, so that the enemy wont even know something was hacked until it was already turned. Minmatar would be the speed hackers. Able to break through defenses and get the hack through before anything can be done about it. |
JP Acuna
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:46:00 -
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From the idea i get on Minmatar, they're technollogical and clever ...but poor. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.05 20:15:00 -
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minmatar.. quick and proficient at hacking.. aka escaping their cells and running away from the Slave masters :P so it makes sence since they get the feculent end of the stick when it comes to EHP
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.05 20:26:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:minmatar.. quick and proficient at hacking.. aka escaping their cells and running away from the Slave masters :P so it makes sence since they get the feculent end of the stick when it comes to EHP Cells? What do you think the Amarr are doing? No no no, its not like they are being imprisoned.
"Slaves" are usually given houses, admittedly not the best of housing, but still better than the average quality of life in New Eden. Slaves aren't doing hard labor either, usually(there are exceptions, I'll admit). Its usually more of an education more than anything. They are taught professions, crafts, and trades. Not worked to death(again, usually, there are bad slave masters but mistreating slaves is punishable by Amarrian law).
Indentured-apprenticeship would be a better word than slave most of the time tbh. Sure they can't leave, but the Amarr are just trying to give them a better life for them and their descendants. They want to be able to welcome the Minmatar as brothers, but before they can do that, Amarrian culture dictates that the Minmatar must be tested and prepared to join the Empire. |
sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
586
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Posted - 2014.10.05 20:27:00 -
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Another thing. Why isn't the hacking skill grouped with the other ewar skills?
Just wondering.
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.10.05 21:45:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:The little bonus that all Minmatar suits get to hacking? I'm not complaining about it, but it seems so... illogical. Being the least technologically advanced race,one would imagine that they would actually have a harder time hacking. I understand it is for balance and that balance>realism, but I'd like to hear some sort of explanation for this.
Again. Not complaining, just pointing out how strange it is.
Minmatar might arguably be the worst at developing tech, lore wise, but they are the best at repairing tech, which means they have a certain knowhow for reprogramming.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
948
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:34:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. I believe that's not quite accurate. I think they get 5% more than other races within that class. Logistics Get +15% Minmatar Logistics gets +20% Scouts get +5% Minmatar Scout gets +10% Assaults get +0% Minmatar Assaults gets +5% No bonus for Heavy frames.
hmm odd i just remember min-scout being the only one with hack speed..*checking* yup only min scout gets 5% per level but you can get 25% from the "hacking" skill..
edit. i didnt see the additional values on suits nor skills.. so how/where did you find these values?
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:44:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:minmatar.. quick and proficient at hacking.. aka escaping their cells and running away from the Slave masters :P so it makes sence since they get the feculent end of the stick when it comes to EHP Cells? What do you think the Amarr are doing? No no no, its not like they are being imprisoned in a jail or anything (unless they break laws of course). "Slaves" are usually given houses, admittedly not the best of housing, but still better than the average quality of life in New Eden. Slaves aren't doing hard labor either, usually(there are exceptions, I'll admit). Its usually more of an education more than anything. They are taught professions, crafts, and trades. Not worked to death(again, usually, there are bad slave masters but mistreating slaves is punishable by Amarrian law). Indentured-apprenticeship would be a better word than slave most of the time tbh. Sure they can't leave, but the Amarr are just trying to give them a better life for them and their descendants. They want to be able to welcome the Minmatar as brothers, but before they can do that, Amarrian culture dictates that the Minmatar must be tested and prepared to join the Empire. nowp.. cells and shackled mineing on sub par planets.. read the chronicles
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:45:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. they do? i did not know that.. WINMATAR POWER!
ps. no wonder i feel like i hack like a snail when im not on a minmatar suit.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:06:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. they do? i did not know that.. WINMATAR POWER! ps. no wonder i feel like i hack like a snail when im not on a minmatar suit. My main is a Min ScoutGǪ Proto Minja with Hacking 5GǪ I have a fit that uses two complex code breakersGǪ I counter hack faster than a unmodified med/heavy can do a regular hack
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:51:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:The little bonus that all Minmatar suits get to hacking? I'm not complaining about it, but it seems so... illogical. Being the least technologically advanced race,one would imagine that they would actually have a harder time hacking. I understand it is for balance and that balance>realism, but I'd like to hear some sort of explanation for this.
Again. Not complaining, just pointing out how strange it is.
My dear Matee Boyo, matari people are from nature really technical. They can make anything basicaly from nothing. We are tinkers, if we had some time and some scrap we can make generator hell even reactor There is nothing what you would say least tech advance, because we basicaly can do anythingie we can tink that, we can build that and even program that
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:58:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:The little bonus that all Minmatar suits get to hacking? I'm not complaining about it, but it seems so... illogical. Being the least technologically advanced race,one would imagine that they would actually have a harder time hacking. I understand it is for balance and that balance>realism, but I'd like to hear some sort of explanation for this.
Again. Not complaining, just pointing out how strange it is. Minmatar achieved massive technical advancements before the Amarr came, they developed it on their own not relying on old tech discoveries like the Amarr did. They are the most adaptive and innovative of all the factions. It only makes sense that they hack faster from my point of view. I suppose that makes a bit of sense. I just can't help but feel that even for all their innovation, the Caldari would be the ones with the best hacking. Maybe the Minmatar just resort to brute force when it comes to hacking, while the other races rely on more stealthy approaches?... That sentence makes me want a mechanic in the game that allows for stealthily hacking objectives. It would be cool to hack a point, and the enemy doesn't even know its been hacked until the point is halfway flipped. Of course there would need to be counters to this.There could even be hacking resistances that you could apply to hackable stuff. Man. They could make hacking a whole new aspect to the game, where factors like speed, stealth, detection, and resistance could be racial traits!... Imagine having a suit built specifically to hack things quickly from a distance. You could hack an enemy RE and have it explode on them! Or you could turn uplinks around, or any equipment and use it against the enemy. You could have one build specifically designed to get around the huge hacking resistances of things like vehicles and kill the driver from the inside! Features like this would make Dust truly unique, and actually set it apart from other lobby shooters.
Caldari nope boyo, they are more in work, hard labour, shields and rails Gallenteans like beauty and pompous luxury, freedom and drones Amarrians like..hmm..how i can tell it, they like everything their way, religious way and LAZOOORZ and Matari can basicaly built and program anything from nothing
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.10.06 00:10:00 -
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No no no, Minmatar are only the least technologically ADVANCED. Minmatar are in fact the best techies in the galaxy.
After the EvE gate closed and the colonisits were forced to devolve, the Minmatar had the least technology on which to survive. They became scavengers of sorts, turning even the most seemingly useless junk into useful technology.
You have to consider that almost everything the Minmatar make is done so from spare parts. Minmatar are the best at hacking because they are the most technologically literate race.
They just didn't have the precursor technology that allowed them to be the most advanced. That privilege fell to the amarr.
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Riruodo
Templar Investigative Commission
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:51:00 -
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I think it is perfectly natural for Minmatar to be better at hacking than any other race.
Most of their stuff are created by salvaging the other races' equipment, ships and guns. with how integrated technology is in the Eve universe, it makes sense that the Minmatar would have to be very good at hacking in order to adapt what they salvage
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:57:00 -
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its also worth noting light suits hack faster then medium do & medium suits are faster then heavy suits.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:58:00 -
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We are Tinkers..ehm..princes of the Uuuuniverse
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:15:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. I believe that's not quite accurate. I think they get 5% more than other races within that class. Logistics Get +15% Minmatar Logistics gets +20% Scouts get +5% Minmatar Scout gets +10% Assaults get +0% Minmatar Assaults gets +5% No bonus for Heavy frames. hmm odd i just remember min-scout being the only one with hack speed..*checking* yup only min scout gets 5% per level but you can get 25% from the "hacking" skill.. edit. i didnt see the additional values on suits nor skills.. so how/where did you find these values?
The Minmatar Scout is the only suit that receives a bonus to hack speed from a skill yes, but suits have a built in hack speed modifier. I'm not sure if it appears in-game but it's available database side, or you can take a look on Protofits (which pulls data from the database).
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Kensai Dragon
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:32:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:It is not all, but only the Minmatar scout that gets the bonus. All Minmatar suits get an extra 15% hacking speed compared to the other races. I believe that's not quite accurate. I think they get 5% more than other races within that class. Logistics Get +15% Minmatar Logistics gets +20% Scouts get +5% Minmatar Scout gets +10% Assaults get +0% Minmatar Assaults gets +5% No bonus for Heavy frames. hmm odd i just remember min-scout being the only one with hack speed..*checking* yup only min scout gets 5% per level but you can get 25% from the "hacking" skill.. edit. i didnt see the additional values on suits nor skills.. so how/where did you find these values?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5423
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Posted - 2014.10.06 06:39:00 -
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They're basically Mcgyvering that A.
Other races probably have well studied manners on how to hack systems in a proper method. The Minmatar don't give a crap. They do what they want and get it done.
There's a reason my guy is half Minmatar ;)
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.06 06:43:00 -
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Sebistors would love a word with you.
Reason why the republic isn't as advanced as they could be is the simple lack of resources to go around. The young stellar nation is plagued with a monument of problems just trying to live from day to day, liberate slaves, and stopping new slaves from being taken. Ships like the Hurricane, Maelstrom, and the newest class of the Typhoon are fine examples of ships that the republic can build when they got the resources. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66199/1/1.jpg
Case in point that stellar nation was officially born about year ago to that extent. Before it had been very tribal like but today they're a full fledge republic now.
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