DUST Search - impossible to evade

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Stefan Stahl wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

It stems from 2 major flaws in the Swarm Launcher delivery.
1) The swarm launcher bases it's tracking of the orginal posistion of the craft and only updates once visual has been lost.

2) Despite the reduction to the Swarms turning circle, the swarm is still capable of doing 180-¦ turns (on a dime no less) at either end of it's flight path. (Launch and within 5m of target)

Just a note here on that problem:
It may be entirely possible that the path swarms take on your screen is not the path the server thought they did. Lag compensation for homing projectiles is a terrible compromise for netcode designers. So if you see your local missiles take a 90-¦ corner it may be possible the server saw them fly in a perfect arc - it just didn't bother to update you're PS3's data in the meantime.

On the other hand I may also be entirely wrong and there's all sorts of problems with the swarm AI. Very possible.

For what it's worth I recently (post Delta) spotted a swarm missile fly circles around an LAV that was standing on a bridge. The missile must have been doing turns at a radius of less than 10 meters.

Seeing this both as a Swarmer and a Pilot.
Now the swarms changing direction rapidly when tracking kicks, or when the framerate drops, I would prehaps expect.

But watching MY swarms take a lazy curve towards my target, miss them by maybe 10m, then instantaneously pull a 180 to hit in the weakspot, that sure as hell ain't lag compensation, not when both me and my target are showing 0 signs of lag.
(It's very easy to tell a lagging dropship)

But watching a volley of swarms chase me AROUND a building, miss me by 20m then suddenly turn and hit on my now facing flank, (which had orginally been facing away), that sure as hell ain't lag compensation.

It just seems a little unfair, that swarms are guaranteed hit on my ADS because I don't equip an afterburner, yet all the aerobatics in the world do nothing to safe me either.

Except for being 175m away, which you can cover before a swarmer can launch 3 volleys at yyou, three volleys that you can easily survive if you just don't fit a scanner.

They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!

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La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 124	Posted - 2014.10.04 10:08:00 - [1] - Quote Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 232	Posted - 2014.10.04 10:10:00 - [2] - Quote I could say the same to the ADS. Hovering on top of infantry, you can hide but you can't run. Hovering over tanks, you can run but you can't hide. So I am glad there is a good counter now. Proud member of Glitched Connection "Only idiots start a fight they can't win" - Sora (No Game No Life)
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3541	Posted - 2014.10.04 10:19:00 - [3] - Quote It's unfortunate and something I would like to see fixed. My understanding is that it would reward pilots who can manoeuvre their craft, while punishing those who simply used an afterburner to fly away in a straight line. It stems from 2 major flaws in the Swarm Launcher delivery. 1) The swarm launcher bases it's tracking of the orginal posistion of the craft and only updates once visual has been lost. 2) Despite the reduction to the Swarms turning circle, the swarm is still capable of doing 180-¦ turns (on a dime no less) at either end of it's flight path. (Launch and within 5m of target) Ideally the AI for swarms needs to be redone slightly. As such I will offer a pseudo code solution when I have the time. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
The Master Race Immortal Guides 62	Posted - 2014.10.04 10:35:00 - [4] - Quote Lol I pilot most matches and I think swarms have downed me once you can't avoid them without cover, but you can just out range them easy just like before; there is still no counter for ads. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 759	Posted - 2014.10.04 10:44:00 - [5] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: It stems from 2 major flaws in the Swarm Launcher delivery. 1) The swarm launcher bases it's tracking of the orginal posistion of the craft and only updates once visual has been lost. 2) Despite the reduction to the Swarms turning circle, the swarm is still capable of doing 180-¦ turns (on a dime no less) at either end of it's flight path. (Launch and within 5m of target) Just a note here on that problem: It may be entirely possible that the path swarms take on your screen is not the path the server thought they did. Lag compensation for homing projectiles is a terrible compromise for netcode designers. So if you see your local missiles take a 90-¦ corner it may be possible the server saw them fly in a perfect arc - it just didn't bother to update you're PS3's data in the meantime. On the other hand I may also be entirely wrong and there's all sorts of problems with the swarm AI. Very possible. For what it's worth I recently (post Delta) spotted a swarm missile fly circles around an LAV that was standing on a bridge. The missile must have been doing turns at a radius of less than 10 meters.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 669	Posted - 2014.10.04 10:49:00 - [6] - Quote You cant run from swarms. Cover is your friend. Seriously. Flying straight away from them is asking to be caught up. Flying round cover means you're more likely to survive. Dont fly dumb. Fly smart. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P1. "GET BACK HERE YOU SCRUB" - Lorelei Zee 2014
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 385	Posted - 2014.10.04 11:42:00 - [7] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: You cant run from swarms. Cover is your friend. Seriously. Flying straight away from them is asking to be caught up. Flying round cover means you're more likely to survive. Dont fly dumb. Fly smart. YES, and if you will fly low even FG will have problems to hunt you. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1870	Posted - 2014.10.04 11:44:00 - [8] - Quote The Master Race wrote: Lol I pilot most matches and I think swarms have downed me once you can't avoid them without cover, but you can just out range them easy just like before; there is still no counter for ads. No counter for ADS? (Sometimes I wonder about some players) A counter for ADS would be either a forge gun, a railgun tank or a railgun installation. On top of another ADS countering the enemy ADS (However self counters are not counters) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Atiim 12705	Posted - 2014.10.04 13:40:00 - [9] - Quote Your options are: 1.) Adjust your fittings to allow you to tank 2-3 SL volleys, you should be out of their engagement range well before they fire the 4th volley. 2.) HTFU and deal with it like tankers have to when ADSs fire at them with impunity because they can't aim up high enough to fire back at you. 3.) Uninstall DUST 514 because you're terrible at flying ADSs and relied on the Afterburner to carry you. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 942	Posted - 2014.10.04 13:43:00 - [10] - Quote La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut every one went to the gallente ads cause it dosnt suck. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 942	Posted - 2014.10.04 13:45:00 - [11] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: The Master Race wrote: Lol I pilot most matches and I think swarms have downed me once you can't avoid them without cover, but you can just out range them easy just like before; there is still no counter for ads. No counter for ADS? (Sometimes I wonder about some players) A counter for ADS would be either a forge gun, a railgun tank or a railgun installation. On top of another ADS countering the enemy ADS (However self counters are not counters) in times of old when ads were godmode.. only real way to take out an ads was 2x forgegun heavys+ a token swarmer.. so the OP is whining they cant handle 1 proto swarmer or 2 to 3 regulars now? Shame! Shaaaaame! i say! [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17092	Posted - 2014.10.04 15:54:00 - [12] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: It's unfortunate and something I would like to see fixed. My understanding is that it would reward pilots who can manoeuvre their craft, while punishing those who simply used an afterburner to fly away in a straight line. It stems from 2 major flaws in the Swarm Launcher delivery. 1) The swarm launcher bases it's tracking of the orginal posistion of the craft and only updates once visual has been lost. 2) Despite the reduction to the Swarms turning circle, the swarm is still capable of doing 180-¦ turns (on a dime no less) at either end of it's flight path. (Launch and within 5m of target) Ideally the AI for swarms needs to be redone slightly. As such I will offer a pseudo code solution when I have the time. The 'terminal' vector is similar to grenades, flying bodies and even thrown equipment, what you are seeing a client side simulation not server side. What you are also seeing is the two collaborating a story to catch up and tell the truth, this causes slight desyncing. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 124	Posted - 2014.10.04 16:35:00 - [13] - Quote I think that you don't understand me... I fly covering but swarms turn around the buildings and hit me. Is IMPOSSIBLE, i never fly straight in one direction, that is for noobs, and now is not a solution. I think that colddown from afterburner was enought to nerf ads, but increase tje swarm aceleration is terrible Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2014.10.04 16:40:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Your options are: 1.) Adjust your fittings to allow you to tank 2-3 SL volleys, you should be out of their engagement range well before they fire the 4th volley. 2.) HTFU and deal with it like tankers have to when ADSs fire at them with impunity because they can't aim up high enough to fire back at you. 3.) Uninstall DUST 514 because you're terrible at flying ADSs and relied on the Afterburner to carry you. this
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 118	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:16:00 - [15] - Quote La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut What about try to fly behind some structure. I know its easy to shoot down running boyos, but hell there should be counter aswell, for some balance. Next time, try to take you flying thingie somewhere behind something. Swarmies cant go around thingies, they are guided directly "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1020	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:17:00 - [16] - Quote This is why i dont ADS anymore. Swarms are too OP i mean really good Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 119	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:28:00 - [17] - Quote It seems like everzthing what is FINALLY useful is OP Boyo its Risk/Reward system, without it its not a game. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5479	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:31:00 - [18] - Quote La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. La Lore Sleipnier wrote: I think that you don't understand me... I fly covering but swarms turn around the buildings and hit me. Is IMPOSSIBLE The statements above conflict with a recent, post-Delta experiment: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2377982#post2377982 We found that the old corkscrew and loop-de-loop maneuvers no longer work, but swarms can be still be scrubbed using structures and terrain. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 46	Posted - 2014.10.04 20:14:00 - [19] - Quote I almost always carry swarmies. Only 3 dropships (if that) since Delta have wanted to play with them. I've had damage points pretty much every time, but I still can't take them down on my own. It's definitely not OP.
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 125	Posted - 2014.10.04 20:33:00 - [20] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. La Lore Sleipnier wrote: I think that you don't understand me... I fly covering but swarms turn around the buildings and hit me. Is IMPOSSIBLE The statements above conflict with a recent, post-Delta experiment (with pictures!): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2377982#post2377982 We found that the old corkscrew and loop-de-loop maneuvers no longer work, but swarms can be still be scrubbed using structures and terrain. Thanks bro, i'll study that and try Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3541	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:17:00 - [21] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: It stems from 2 major flaws in the Swarm Launcher delivery. 1) The swarm launcher bases it's tracking of the orginal posistion of the craft and only updates once visual has been lost. 2) Despite the reduction to the Swarms turning circle, the swarm is still capable of doing 180-¦ turns (on a dime no less) at either end of it's flight path. (Launch and within 5m of target) Just a note here on that problem: It may be entirely possible that the path swarms take on your screen is not the path the server thought they did. Lag compensation for homing projectiles is a terrible compromise for netcode designers. So if you see your local missiles take a 90-¦ corner it may be possible the server saw them fly in a perfect arc - it just didn't bother to update you're PS3's data in the meantime. On the other hand I may also be entirely wrong and there's all sorts of problems with the swarm AI. Very possible. For what it's worth I recently (post Delta) spotted a swarm missile fly circles around an LAV that was standing on a bridge. The missile must have been doing turns at a radius of less than 10 meters. Seeing this both as a Swarmer and a Pilot. Now the swarms changing direction rapidly when tracking kicks, or when the framerate drops, I would prehaps expect. But watching MY swarms take a lazy curve towards my target, miss them by maybe 10m, then instantaneously pull a 180 to hit in the weakspot, that sure as hell ain't lag compensation, not when both me and my target are showing 0 signs of lag. (It's very easy to tell a lagging dropship) But watching a volley of swarms chase me AROUND a building, miss me by 20m then suddenly turn and hit on my now facing flank, (which had orginally been facing away), that sure as hell ain't lag compensation. It just seems a little unfair, that swarms are guaranteed hit on my ADS because I don't equip an afterburner, yet all the aerobatics in the world do nothing to safe me either. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3955	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:04:00 - [22] - Quote La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Since the release of the ADS, it has been impossible to evade the ADS. Welcome to game balance. Kill us, or we'll kill you. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 67	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:59:00 - [23] - Quote Many bad pilots think they a good pilots. I was in a group earlier and the leader said I could call down a ads, but I can't fly it and another member of the group said I am a great pilot I will fly it. Now I am a fantastic pilot, but would not take the chance on burning up someone else isk I would just drop my own. I knew as soon as this young man spoke up it would be a short run and seconds later the ads was a burning pile on the ground. Don't bring out ships for anyone else to fly and don't believe anyone that says they are a good pilot. The moral of the story is if they don't have there own ships they are fail.... The End. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 998	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:02:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Since the release of the ADS, it has been impossible to evade the ADS. Welcome to game balance. Kill us, or we'll kill you. ^ This is terrible ADS advise from a player that has never piloted an ADS. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 125	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:03:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Since the release of the ADS, it has been impossible to evade the ADS. Welcome to game balance. Kill us, or we'll kill you. The game is not balance. And please, if you not have the skill to summon an ADS or never have tried to shoot and kill with ADS do not disturb with your gossip... Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 126	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:04:00 - [26] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Since the release of the ADS, it has been impossible to evade the ADS. Welcome to game balance. Kill us, or we'll kill you. I like this gal (if she is gal) somethin' murmurin' "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."*
Atiim 12730	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:05:00 - [27] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Since the release of the ADS, it has been impossible to evade the ADS. Welcome to game balance. Kill us, or we'll kill you. I like this gal (if she is gal) *somethin' murmurin' This gal is guy. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 126	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:13:00 - [28] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Since the release of the ADS, it has been impossible to evade the ADS. Welcome to game balance. Kill us, or we'll kill you. ^ This is terrible ADS advise from a player that has never piloted an ADS. Its actually not terrible advice, ADS hell eve other vehicles was little bit OP and most of infatry used easy and mostly only logical pirate way to avoid overbuffed vehicle Now we finaly can feel balance through risk/reward system, when any pilot must use real strategy (in using enviroment) instead to be a tank/flying slayer 514 How MA'am told, Kill us or we'll kill ya matee boyo "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 126	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:16:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Since delta is impossible to evade swarms with ADS. I use a python but without afterburner, and I tried spins, normal U, inverted U, innelman, back to front, rolls, and when anythin worked I tried the afterburner. Is no way, nothing works, is stupid fly with ADS because the militia swarm will hunt you, swarms are unstoppable now, so change the name, they not are swarm, they are Juggernaut Since the release of the ADS, it has been impossible to evade the ADS. Welcome to game balance. Kill us, or we'll kill you. I like this gal (if she is gal) somethin' murmurin' This gal is guy. Yaarrr knew it "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."*
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2504	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:04:00 - [30] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: ... if you will fly low even FG will have problems to hunt you. AHAHAHAHAAHHahahah... Ha... No. Lovingly strokes AFG while relaxing in an LAV or a teammate's HAV[ "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 604	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:21:00 - [31] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: It stems from 2 major flaws in the Swarm Launcher delivery. 1) The swarm launcher bases it's tracking of the orginal posistion of the craft and only updates once visual has been lost. 2) Despite the reduction to the Swarms turning circle, the swarm is still capable of doing 180-¦ turns (on a dime no less) at either end of it's flight path. (Launch and within 5m of target) Just a note here on that problem: It may be entirely possible that the path swarms take on your screen is not the path the server thought they did. Lag compensation for homing projectiles is a terrible compromise for netcode designers. So if you see your local missiles take a 90-¦ corner it may be possible the server saw them fly in a perfect arc - it just didn't bother to update you're PS3's data in the meantime. On the other hand I may also be entirely wrong and there's all sorts of problems with the swarm AI. Very possible. For what it's worth I recently (post Delta) spotted a swarm missile fly circles around an LAV that was standing on a bridge. The missile must have been doing turns at a radius of less than 10 meters. Seeing this both as a Swarmer and a Pilot. Now the swarms changing direction rapidly when tracking kicks, or when the framerate drops, I would prehaps expect. But watching MY swarms take a lazy curve towards my target, miss them by maybe 10m, then instantaneously pull a 180 to hit in the weakspot, that sure as hell ain't lag compensation, not when both me and my target are showing 0 signs of lag. (It's very easy to tell a lagging dropship) But watching a volley of swarms chase me AROUND a building, miss me by 20m then suddenly turn and hit on my now facing flank, (which had orginally been facing away), that sure as hell ain't lag compensation. It just seems a little unfair, that swarms are guaranteed hit on my ADS because I don't equip an afterburner, yet all the aerobatics in the world do nothing to safe me either. Except for being 175m away, which you can cover before a swarmer can launch 3 volleys at yyou, three volleys that you can easily survive if you just don't fit a scanner. "We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1202	Posted - 2014.10.05 07:20:00 - [32] - Quote I'd have to see the post-Delta comparison of dropships killed before I can really comment on this but using swarms I haven't seen a great deal of difference in how many kills I am making. I do drive off ADS now and they don't seem as eager to hunt me down. The complaints on the forum make it seem like they are dropping like flies but I still see them and tanks dominating many matches and definitely controlling the tide of the game. Because, that's why.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 155	Posted - 2014.10.05 07:50:00 - [33] - Quote Apparently to the Devs we should be able to Outmaneuver the swarms but they didn't factor in The Buildings ( If Any ) , The Forge Guns also shooting you, and the lack of speed. They should really skill into items they wish to change. Pain is weakness leaving the body.
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 126	Posted - 2014.10.05 09:15:00 - [34] - Quote Vehicules are a expensive inversion in skill points and ISK compares with infantry, and have a expensive learning path losing a lot of tanks/ADS. If a soldier dies 10 times in a battle using proto fits a pilot can use just one vehicule, and now AV are most effective with a little inversion or no inversion in sp. So yes, I'm angry with all the complains about AV, they not understand pilots sotiation. And don't forgive thee skill nerf from 10% to 3% ROF in a x8 skill... Somebody thinks that CCP hates pilots? Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2014.10.05 09:33:00 - [35] - Quote La Lore Sleipnier wrote: If a soldier dies 10 times in a battle using proto fits a pilot can use just one vehicule cool story bro. vehicles do not cost 3m a pop. you are just butthurt that your braindead vehicles was changed into one that now requires brain. what is the problem? does it hurt using some braincells?
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3542	Posted - 2014.10.05 10:05:00 - [36] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: It stems from 2 major flaws in the Swarm Launcher delivery. 1) The swarm launcher bases it's tracking of the orginal posistion of the craft and only updates once visual has been lost. 2) Despite the reduction to the Swarms turning circle, the swarm is still capable of doing 180-¦ turns (on a dime no less) at either end of it's flight path. (Launch and within 5m of target) Just a note here on that problem: It may be entirely possible that the path swarms take on your screen is not the path the server thought they did. Lag compensation for homing projectiles is a terrible compromise for netcode designers. So if you see your local missiles take a 90-¦ corner it may be possible the server saw them fly in a perfect arc - it just didn't bother to update you're PS3's data in the meantime. On the other hand I may also be entirely wrong and there's all sorts of problems with the swarm AI. Very possible. For what it's worth I recently (post Delta) spotted a swarm missile fly circles around an LAV that was standing on a bridge. The missile must have been doing turns at a radius of less than 10 meters. Seeing this both as a Swarmer and a Pilot. Now the swarms changing direction rapidly when tracking kicks, or when the framerate drops, I would prehaps expect. But watching MY swarms take a lazy curve towards my target, miss them by maybe 10m, then instantaneously pull a 180 to hit in the weakspot, that sure as hell ain't lag compensation, not when both me and my target are showing 0 signs of lag. (It's very easy to tell a lagging dropship) But watching a volley of swarms chase me AROUND a building, miss me by 20m then suddenly turn and hit on my now facing flank, (which had orginally been facing away), that sure as hell ain't lag compensation. It just seems a little unfair, that swarms are guaranteed hit on my ADS because I don't equip an afterburner, yet all the aerobatics in the world do nothing to safe me either. Except for being 175m away, which you can cover before a swarmer can launch 3 volleys at yyou, three volleys that you can easily survive if you just don't fit a scanner. If I'm a 175m away from a 175m lock on weapon I would onlh expect one to hit me. It's more when I'm 80m away, I can be practically psychic, I'd still be hit. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 126	Posted - 2014.10.05 10:06:00 - [37] - Quote Please, read all the pos, not only the final. The story is that swarmlauncher is overboosted, end of the story. Now acelerates 0.6 and turns 80? Think about it, is simple geometry 80 is a closer turns range that 90* Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.10.05 10:33:00 - [38] - Quote La Lore Sleipnier wrote: Please, read all the pos, not only the final. The story is that swarmlauncher is overboosted, end of the story. Now acelerates 0.6 and turns 80? Think about it, is simple geometry 80 is a closer turns range that 90* 175m lock on range, your point is invalid. so hard to press button and move out of range to not get hit several times, right?


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