DUST Search - PSA - Math on Militia Nova Knives

Maken Tosch wrote:

Henrietta Unknown wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Henrietta Unknown wrote:

Well, I have taken down a G/1 Sentinel with standard nova knives, so killing sentinels is not out of the question. Just a safe bet not to.

Then the only reason you took down the Sentinel was because either A) the Sentinel user was new to that specialty and didn't fit his suit properly or B) didn't have his core skills maxed out beforehand and was a glass cannon at the time.

Uh, it was 2 charged strikes plus two uncharged.

That puts it at 2(480) + 2(240) = 1440, not including my 5% proficiency. No Min bonus.

It's likely for a GalSent to run 1440+ hP. I'm going to go with his unmaxed core skills and my unprecedented luck. Pretty sure he was in a stompsquad that time.

Wait, what? That math doesn't make sense. A standard nova knife without min bonus and not including proficiency can't possibly make that much damage. According to Protofits, a standard nova knife has a base damage of 166.68 HP and that's with max proficiency with 3 complex sidearm damage mods on but without the suit bonus. That brings the damage to 833.4 HP with both strikes and fully charged.

Assuming you wore a bonused minscout suit, that would bring the total up to 1041.75 HP, not 1440 HP on standard knives. Are you sure you didn't incidentally fit Ishukones?

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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9593	Posted - 2014.09.30 19:52:00 - [1] - Quote Currently the Militia Nova Knives have a base damage of 100 HP per blade before charge. Using Protofits.com as a reference... 1001.151.25=143.75 HP per blade before charge. This is accounting for max proficiency and dropsuit bonus only. 143.751.061.05211.0342=165.79 HP per blade before charge rounded down. This is accounting for 3 enhanced sidearm damage mods on a Scout M/1-Series Suit. Stacking penalties included. 165.792*2.5=828.95 HP assuming both blades make contact and are charged. Please take this into consideration before deciding to stab a heavy. This amount of damage will restrict you to assaults and other scouts. Approach heavies at your own risk. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2014.09.30 19:55:00 - [2] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Currently the Militia Nova Knives have a base damage of 100 HP per blade before charge. Using Protofits.com as a reference... 1001.151.25=143.75 HP per blade before charge. This is accounting for max proficiency and dropsuit bonus only. 143.751.061.05211.0342=165.79 HP per blade before charge rounded down. This is accounting for 3 enhanced sidearm damage mods on a Scout M/1-Series Suit. Stacking penalties included. 165.792*2.5=828.95 HP assuming both blades make contact and are charged. Please take this into consideration before deciding to stab a heavy. This amount of damage will restrict you to assaults and other scouts. Approach heavies at your own risk. Melee hit first for 120 , then charge strike for the 828 ;) = Mostly dead heavy.
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 95	Posted - 2014.09.30 19:56:00 - [3] - Quote Thanks for the numbers as I am to lazy to do it my self.Can. You also add the max damage with out Dam Mods on all tiers?
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 95	Posted - 2014.09.30 19:58:00 - [4] - Quote Krator Kosta Nostra wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Currently the Militia Nova Knives have a base damage of 100 HP per blade before charge. Using Protofits.com as a reference... 1001.151.25=143.75 HP per blade before charge. This is accounting for max proficiency and dropsuit bonus only. 143.751.061.05211.0342=165.79 HP per blade before charge rounded down. This is accounting for 3 enhanced sidearm damage mods on a Scout M/1-Series Suit. Stacking penalties included. 165.792*2.5=828.95 HP assuming both blades make contact and are charged. Please take this into consideration before deciding to stab a heavy. This amount of damage will restrict you to assaults and other scouts. Approach heavies at your own risk. Melee hit first for 120 , then charge strike for the 828 ;) = Mostly dead heavy. Melee does not affect nova knifes
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2285	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Krator Kosta Nostra wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Currently the Militia Nova Knives have a base damage of 100 HP per blade before charge. Using Protofits.com as a reference... 1001.151.25=143.75 HP per blade before charge. This is accounting for max proficiency and dropsuit bonus only. 143.751.061.05211.0342=165.79 HP per blade before charge rounded down. This is accounting for 3 enhanced sidearm damage mods on a Scout M/1-Series Suit. Stacking penalties included. 165.792*2.5=828.95 HP assuming both blades make contact and are charged. Please take this into consideration before deciding to stab a heavy. This amount of damage will restrict you to assaults and other scouts. Approach heavies at your own risk. Melee hit first for 120 , then charge strike for the 828 ;) = Mostly dead heavy. Melee does not affect nova knifes currect. BUT it does do an additional 120 damage Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 274	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:00:00 - [6] - Quote But Minmatar Scouts are supposed to be scary with knives. for everyone else, those numbers don't stack up. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. Starter corp for life!!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9594	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:02:00 - [7] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Krator Kosta Nostra wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Currently the Militia Nova Knives have a base damage of 100 HP per blade before charge. Using Protofits.com as a reference... 1001.151.25=143.75 HP per blade before charge. This is accounting for max proficiency and dropsuit bonus only. 143.751.061.05211.0342=165.79 HP per blade before charge rounded down. This is accounting for 3 enhanced sidearm damage mods on a Scout M/1-Series Suit. Stacking penalties included. 165.792*2.5=828.95 HP assuming both blades make contact and are charged. Please take this into consideration before deciding to stab a heavy. This amount of damage will restrict you to assaults and other scouts. Approach heavies at your own risk. Melee hit first for 120 , then charge strike for the 828 ;) = Mostly dead heavy. Melee does not affect nova knifes He meant that you punch them first and then stab. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:21:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Krator Kosta Nostra wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Currently the Militia Nova Knives have a base damage of 100 HP per blade before charge. Using Protofits.com as a reference... 1001.151.25=143.75 HP per blade before charge. This is accounting for max proficiency and dropsuit bonus only. 143.751.061.05211.0342=165.79 HP per blade before charge rounded down. This is accounting for 3 enhanced sidearm damage mods on a Scout M/1-Series Suit. Stacking penalties included. 165.7922.5=828.95 HP assuming both blades make contact and are charged. Please take this into consideration before deciding to stab a heavy. This amount of damage will restrict you to assaults and other scouts. Approach heavies at your own risk. Melee hit first for 120 , then charge strike for the 828 ;) = Mostly dead heavy. Melee does not affect nova knifes He meant that you punch them first and then stab. You are correct, ty Maken Tosch I should also point out that during this side arm event, it might be beneficial to run the Militia Mybrofils rather than sidearm mods , as your initial melee hit will be closer to 200 (198.31). BTW, Protofilts has base damage of Militia NK's at 120 - thus its 172 per blade (when proficiency is lvl 5) for a total of 354 , uncharged without mods. 1722*2.5 = 860 fully charged without mods 860 + 200 = 1060 = 90% of the heavies you encounter will be dead.
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 95	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:22:00 - [9] - Quote So if I put blue pills on my nova knife suits I would be doing around 400 melee then nova knife damage?
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:23:00 - [10] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: So if I put blue pills on my nova knife suits I would be doing around 400 melee then nova knife damage? Yes BUT.... I hightly advise you to NOT use the Complex Mybrofils....you will more than likely kill most people using Melee that way, and not get credit using the NK's

Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 95	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:32:00 - [11] - Quote Im just trying to see wish one gives me the most bang for my buck If I put complex damage or complex blue wish one would raise my nova knife damage higher?just one mod
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:40:00 - [12] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Im just trying to see wish one gives me the most bang for my buck If I put complex damame or complex blue wish one would raise my nova knife damage higher I don't have complex myself, but Protofits is showing 208 per blade with 3 complex mods on . 20822.5 (assuming level 5 proficiency) = 1040 fully charged This is slightly lower than going doing the militia mybrofil route, and more expensive. Its really a matter of preference
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens Capital Punishment. 343	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:49:00 - [13] - Quote Sorry for that, I created the militia variant before we had the stats for it revealed, I updated the stats to those shown in game now. o7 www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 240	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:51:00 - [14] - Quote Just use shield extenders, come on people (and a precision mod when you inevitably run out of pg). Also, don't hit someone before you knife them, they will turn round and pulp you with their hmg. In fact, don't melee at all, an uncharged militia knife double hit is about 300 damage, do that, after the charge hit. If it's an advanced or proto Amarr heavy, don't bother. Stab his logi, will **** him off lol!
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 95	Posted - 2014.09.30 20:51:00 - [15] - Quote The only reason to use damage mods on nova knifes would be if im using 2 sidearms to get bonus damage on both of them
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2014.09.30 21:07:00 - [16] - Quote Cyrus Grevare wrote: Sorry for that, I created the militia variant before we had the stats for it revealed, I updated the stats to those shown in game now (100 base damage & PG/CPU). o7 Ah, ty - unfortunately that means everything I previously posted is incorrect with regards to the NK's, Fortunately, everything Maken Tosch posted IS correct, so we can continue with those numbers.
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 96	Posted - 2014.09.30 22:24:00 - [17] - Quote Does melee apply only once every time I hit R1 or every nova knife swipe
Henrietta Unknown CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 323	Posted - 2014.09.30 23:24:00 - [18] - Quote Well, I have taken down a G/1 Sentinel with standard nova knives, so killing sentinels is not out of the question. Just a safe bet not to. Henrietta Reborn
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9596	Posted - 2014.10.01 00:48:00 - [19] - Quote Krator Kosta Nostra wrote: Cyrus Grevare wrote: Sorry for that, I created the militia variant before we had the stats for it revealed, I updated the stats to those shown in game now (100 base damage & PG/CPU). o7 Ah, ty - unfortunately that means everything I previously posted is incorrect with regards to the NK's, Fortunately, everything Maken Tosch posted IS correct, so we can continue with those numbers. Yeah, I predicted that the Protofits number was incorrect at the time of my original posting because I bothered to look at the in-game numbers first before referring to Protofits. I was using Protofits' formula (not the base number) as a reference. So yeah, I'm correct in my math. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9596	Posted - 2014.10.01 00:51:00 - [20] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Does melee apply only once every time I hit R1 or every nova knife swipe Never. Melee and Nova Knives apply their damage separately. If you want Nova Knives to apply damage, hit the main trigger. If you want to apply Melee damage, hit the other trigger. If you want to apply both damages at once, tough luck because it ain't gonna happen. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9600	Posted - 2014.10.01 00:54:00 - [21] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Well, I have taken down a G/1 Sentinel with standard nova knives, so killing sentinels is not out of the question. Just a safe bet not to. Then the only reason you took down the Sentinel was because either A) the Sentinel user was new to that specialty and didn't fit his suit properly or B) didn't have his core skills maxed out beforehand and was a glass cannon at the time. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Henrietta Unknown CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 324	Posted - 2014.10.01 03:18:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Well, I have taken down a G/1 Sentinel with standard nova knives, so killing sentinels is not out of the question. Just a safe bet not to. Then the only reason you took down the Sentinel was because either A) the Sentinel user was new to that specialty and didn't fit his suit properly or B) didn't have his core skills maxed out beforehand and was a glass cannon at the time. Uh, it was 2 charged strikes plus two uncharged. That puts it at 2(480) + 2(240) = 1440, not including my 5% proficiency. No Min bonus. It's likely for a GalSent to run 1440+ hP. I'm going to go with his unmaxed core skills and my unprecedented luck. Pretty sure he was in a stompsquad that time. Henrietta Reborn
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9601	Posted - 2014.10.01 03:42:00 - [23] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Well, I have taken down a G/1 Sentinel with standard nova knives, so killing sentinels is not out of the question. Just a safe bet not to. Then the only reason you took down the Sentinel was because either A) the Sentinel user was new to that specialty and didn't fit his suit properly or B) didn't have his core skills maxed out beforehand and was a glass cannon at the time. Uh, it was 2 charged strikes plus two uncharged. That puts it at 2(480) + 2(240) = 1440, not including my 5% proficiency. No Min bonus. It's likely for a GalSent to run 1440+ hP. I'm going to go with his unmaxed core skills and my unprecedented luck. Pretty sure he was in a stompsquad that time. Wait, what? That math doesn't make sense. A standard nova knife without min bonus and not including proficiency can't possibly make that much damage. According to Protofits, a standard nova knife has a base damage of 166.68 HP and that's with max proficiency with 3 complex sidearm damage mods on but without the suit bonus. That brings the damage to 833.4 HP with both strikes and fully charged. Assuming you wore a bonused minscout suit, that would bring the total up to 1041.75 HP, not 1440 HP on standard knives. Are you sure you didn't incidentally fit Ishukones? On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Henrietta Unknown CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 326	Posted - 2014.10.01 03:48:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Well, I have taken down a G/1 Sentinel with standard nova knives, so killing sentinels is not out of the question. Just a safe bet not to. Then the only reason you took down the Sentinel was because either A) the Sentinel user was new to that specialty and didn't fit his suit properly or B) didn't have his core skills maxed out beforehand and was a glass cannon at the time. Uh, it was 2 charged strikes plus two uncharged. That puts it at 2(480) + 2(240) = 1440, not including my 5% proficiency. No Min bonus. It's likely for a GalSent to run 1440+ hP. I'm going to go with his unmaxed core skills and my unprecedented luck. Pretty sure he was in a stompsquad that time. Wait, what? That math doesn't make sense. A standard nova knife without min bonus and not including proficiency can't possibly make that much damage. According to Protofits, a standard nova knife has a base damage of 166.68 HP and that's with max proficiency with 3 complex sidearm damage mods on but without the suit bonus. That brings the damage to 833.4 HP with both strikes and fully charged. Assuming you wore a bonused minscout suit, that would bring the total up to 1041.75 HP, not 1440 HP on standard knives. Are you sure you didn't incidentally fit Ishukones? Absolutely sure they were standard. I thought each blade dealt 120 DMG? Both blades in one slash connecting for 240 DMG. Charged doubles it to 480. Two charged swipes bringing it to 960. Where in this did it go wrong? Henrietta Reborn
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9601	Posted - 2014.10.01 03:49:00 - [25] - Quote Forget everything I just said in that reply. XD Sorry. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Henrietta Unknown CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 326	Posted - 2014.10.01 03:50:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Forget everything I just said in that reply. XD Sorry. And I think I'm the one with the math wrong! Henrietta Reborn
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9601	Posted - 2014.10.01 03:54:00 - [27] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Forget everything I just said in that reply. XD Sorry. And I think I'm the one with the math wrong! It's almost midnight over here and I didn't get proper sleep the night before. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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