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REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:16:00 -
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Well, I see it is being kept a quiet secret, but that thing is out of control.
Comments and Concerns?
Rattati, how are the numbers looking on that baby?
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Atiim
12517
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:19:00 -
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"Out of Control" or "Actually Kills Me"?
The 1st Matari Commando
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
230
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:20:00 -
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I only played a couple of hours on a friend's account last night (he lets me use it as an alt since he doesn't play much) and it seemed like half the people were using bolt pistols and many were using it as their main. I know its anecdotal, but that seems to indicate to me there is a balancing issue. |
REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
66
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:21:00 -
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Atiim wrote:"Out of Control" or "Actually Kills Me"?
Everything kills me so I dont judge on that criteria.
When I ran it, it wasnt even fair to the other guy. 40m Shots taking shields off Caldari Assaults.. 2-3 shot heavies. I actually prefer it over the shotgun now. |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7647
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:24:00 -
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Thang Bausch wrote:I only played a couple of hours on a friend's account last night (he lets me use it as an alt since he doesn't play much) and it seemed like half the people were using bolt pistols and many were using it as their main. I know its anecdotal, but that seems to indicate to me there is a balancing issue.
Yeah it may be anecdotal but I encountered a Caldari Squad that used Bolt Pistols as their main and they were ******* up my team. Try doing that with any other pistol with the extreme ease they had, you couldn't.
High Range, High Damage, decent RoF. only drawback is the "low" mag size
bahahahahahahah
Something's wrong when you regret
Things that haven't happened yet
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Orphan Shadow
Waiting For Deployment
83
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:25:00 -
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It's pretty damn good. ADS pilots should get a free Bolt Pistol as a consolation prize for their "loss". |
Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
230
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:29:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:I only played a couple of hours on a friend's account last night (he lets me use it as an alt since he doesn't play much) and it seemed like half the people were using bolt pistols and many were using it as their main. I know its anecdotal, but that seems to indicate to me there is a balancing issue. Yeah it may be anecdotal but I encountered a Caldari Squad that used Bolt Pistols as their main and they were ******* up my team. Try doing that with any other pistol with the extreme ease they had, you couldn't. High Range, High Damage, decent RoF. only drawback is the "low" mag size bahahahahahahah
I used it a bit on a LR Amar assault fit and the charge time seemed like it would take some time to get used to, but I wrecked a guy at close range where aiming wasn't as important. It seemed better at CQC than the pre-delta smg. I used it twice and still managed to down somebody.
The thing loads pretty quick so low mag size doesn't seem that important.
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REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
67
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:30:00 -
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Either way I am looking for the numbers :) THE NUMBERS DONT LIE!!!!
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
230
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:35:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:Either way I am looking for the numbers :) THE NUMBERS DONT LIE!!!!
For sure. So far, my observations could be just people checking it out after the hotfix drop. I put one point in it because I heard people on the forums saying it was going to be OP, so i wanted to use it first hand (and no, I won't be pumping sp into it if its FOTM; I don't run suits that have sidearm slots much and FOTM never lasts, particularly with all these hotfixes.) |
Orphan Shadow
Waiting For Deployment
84
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:38:00 -
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Thang Bausch wrote:no, I won't be pumping sp into it if its FOTM; I don't run suits that have sidearm slots much and FOTM never lasts
I am. I run the crutch, the whole crutch, and nothing but the crutch, so help me Dust. |
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Joel II X
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3624
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:39:00 -
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I love it when it actually does damage.
Don't overestimate the range, though. The Rail Rifle is still far better in every aspect, than the Bolt Pistol. |
Atiim
12517
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:40:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:Atiim wrote:"Out of Control" or "Actually Kills Me"? Everything kills me so I dont judge on that criteria. When I ran it, it wasnt even fair to the other guy. 40m Shots taking shields off Caldari Assaults.. 2-3 shot heavies. I actually prefer it over the shotgun now.
Did they really buff it by that much?
The 1st Matari Commando
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1873
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:45:00 -
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Atiim wrote:REDBACK96USMC wrote:Atiim wrote:"Out of Control" or "Actually Kills Me"? Everything kills me so I dont judge on that criteria. When I ran it, it wasnt even fair to the other guy. 40m Shots taking shields off Caldari Assaults.. 2-3 shot heavies. I actually prefer it over the shotgun now. Did they really buff it by that much?
Yea. Its alpha damage is a bit out of control. Thankfully Rattati said he was lowering the RoF by 12%. Anyone know if that went through during last down time?
Now with more evil.
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JT Buddy
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:55:00 -
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The spreadsheet says they actually dropped the range and damage per shot just slightly, and increased the RoF by about 12%.
Personally, I tthink it's the fact that we can try out all the sidearms for free now, so newish guys like me are finding the 'awesome power' of the little hidden gems, lol.
Really though, I never used it before, only a little bit now, but I still prefer the magsec for now. Something about 7 shots in an automatic just seems wrong. It seems like an advanced version of magsec. Basically, if you can aim well, the bolt is what you want. If you miss a lot, stick with the magsec. |
REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
68
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:56:00 -
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Atiim wrote:REDBACK96USMC wrote:Atiim wrote:"Out of Control" or "Actually Kills Me"? Everything kills me so I dont judge on that criteria. When I ran it, it wasnt even fair to the other guy. 40m Shots taking shields off Caldari Assaults.. 2-3 shot heavies. I actually prefer it over the shotgun now. Did they really buff it by that much?
Give it a shot.
G-Series Scout, 2 x Bolt Pistol, 2 x Complex Light Damage mod, fit the rest as you want.
Run it as you would a shotgun.
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Wasten
Anti Her0s
18
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:03:00 -
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my proto Galmando with 300 shields about 800 armour got 2 shot with the bolt pistol last night, my bum is still sore |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
17874
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:55:00 -
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Atiim wrote:"Out of Control" or "Actually Kills Me"?
Out of control.
The forums have ruined me.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2864
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:00:00 -
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It certainly powerful now, but i've used it before, i'm using it now and i will use it after, unless it get flaylocked and become completely useless.
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
LOCK REGIONS
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9553
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:01:00 -
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Thang Bausch wrote:I only played a couple of hours on a friend's account last night (he lets me use it as an alt since he doesn't play much) and it seemed like half the people were using bolt pistols and many were using it as their main. I know its anecdotal, but that seems to indicate to me there is a balancing issue.
Just because it's being used as a main weapon by some it doesn't mean it's a balancing issue. The Nova Knives are used by me as a main weapon and it doesn't have a balance issue.
But I can't ignore the possibility that maybe the Bolt Pistol's headshot bonus needs to be dialed back a little bit.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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CamClarke
0uter.Heaven
137
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:04:00 -
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Redback, what are you doing using Light Damage Modifiers with 2 Bolt Pistols? You use Sidearm Damage Modifiers. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9553
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:06:00 -
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CamClarke wrote:Redback, what are you doing using Light Damage Modifiers with 2 Bolt Pistols? You use Sidearm Damage Modifiers.
Quick, Red. Hide! You've been spotted!
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1545
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:18:00 -
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I like the AScP more.
In related news, the Ion pistol still sucks. |
SILENT GIANT
FATHERS-AND-SONS
102
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:25:00 -
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 well i just ran into bolt pistol spam. Holy hell. 1-2 shots at smg range, i was down. Didn't even matter I was unloading my ar clip into him. Long range shotgun it is. Gonna go try it myself now. |
REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
68
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:26:00 -
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CamClarke wrote:Redback, what are you doing using Light Damage Modifiers with 2 Bolt Pistols? You use Sidearm Damage Modifiers.
I have sidearms on, just typed light. Listen to what I mean, not what I say! |
Orphan Shadow
Waiting For Deployment
90
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:39:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:But I can't ignore the possibility that maybe the Bolt Pistol's headshot bonus needs to be dialed back a little bit.
If the Ishukone Turkey Carver can drop my tanked gk.0 in a single swipe then the Bolt Pistol's HS modifier is just fine, friend. |
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
574
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:40:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:Well, I see it is being kept a quiet secret, but that thing is out of control.
Comments and Concerns?
Rattati, how are the numbers looking on that baby?
Yes, I equip 2 on my dragonfly scout.
Have to agree that thing is OP by a long shot.
Last match was Bold pistol, Bolt pistol, Bolt pistol, etc in the kill feed.
Im having fun with it while it lasts but they do need to nerf it down to 160-170 dmg IMO |
RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
92
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Posted - 2014.09.27 05:17:00 -
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You want number? I ran Min damp scout EHP under 400. Has been killed by bolt a lot lately.
400 - 450 damage on body hit.
600+ damage headshot.
1 bullet is enough to drop scout or militia suit. "Enjoy"
Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
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CLONE ALPHA 001
G.L.O.R.Y
Dark Taboo
25
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Posted - 2014.09.27 05:21:00 -
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ahh delicious tears :P
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Tectonic Fusion
2243
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Posted - 2014.09.27 05:34:00 -
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The Bolt Pistol is good now. It's as reliable as the SMG now. But it's lower shots in a clip is what balanced it...
(GIF)
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TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn
Going for the gold
181
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Posted - 2014.09.27 05:38:00 -
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I was running this fit all day yesterday 
Mlt Gal Light frame
2 Std Bolt Pistols
1 Mlt Sidearm damage mod
3 Mlt Armor repairers
20+ kills in every match, win or lose, best was around 40. Killing proto suits in 3 shots, headshotting 4 Gallente starter fits in a row (One-Hit-Kill), LEADING THE ATTACK, just absolute insanity!
So either I'm good with slow-firing, high-damage weapons or it's just OP.
40 kills with the most basic, cheapest possible dual-wielding standard Bolt Pistol fit...
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TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn
Going for the gold
181
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Posted - 2014.09.27 05:41:00 -
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RedPencil wrote:You want number? I ran Min damp scout EHP under 400. Has been killed by bolt a lot lately.
400 - 450 damage on body hit.
600+ damage headshot.
1 bullet is enough to drop scout or militia suit. "Enjoy"
200-250 damage on body hit, 500 damage headshot.
Where did you get those numbers?
40 kills with the most basic, cheapest possible dual-wielding standard Bolt Pistol fit...
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Vicious Minotaur
1140
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Posted - 2014.09.27 05:46:00 -
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I've been running the bolt pistol quite a lot on my Cal Scoult Nova knife fits (no clack). I have seldom been killed by one despite only having ~ 400 eHP.
Running it has been quite nice. Borderline insta-gibbing some armour tankers is quite enjoyable. Considering its major drawbacks (extremely low ammo amounts, mediocre at CQC) I'd hardly say it is in need of a big nerf. Some slight nerf is in order, though. (reduce fire rate? reduce damage by ~20?)
Being on the receiving end of the bolt while armour tanking is comparable to going up against laser-tech with a shield tank: unenjoyable. Welcome to the world of shield tanks, where your main tank can be wrecked almost instantaneously by its counter.
I am a minotaur.
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jace silencerww
Inner.Hell
50
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Posted - 2014.09.27 06:43:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I love it when it actually does damage.
Don't overestimate the range, though. The Rail Rifle is still far better in every aspect, than the Bolt Pistol.
really? I killed a medium suit at 80 meters with a single headshot? don't think you can do that with a rail rifle |
jace silencerww
Inner.Hell
50
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Posted - 2014.09.27 06:46:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:I've been running the bolt pistol quite a lot on my Cal Scoult Nova knife fits (no clack). I have seldom been killed by one despite only having ~ 400 eHP.
Running it has been quite nice. Borderline insta-gibbing some armour tankers is quite enjoyable. Considering its major drawbacks (extremely low ammo amounts, mediocre at CQC) I'd hardly say it is in need of a big nerf. Some slight nerf is in order, though. (reduce fire rate? reduce damage by ~20?)
Being on the receiving end of the bolt while armour tanking is comparable to going up against laser-tech with a shield tank: unenjoyable. Welcome to the world of shield tanks, where your main tank can be wrecked almost instantaneously by its counter.
before this hotfix it was great and balanced, just had a range dropoff damage % issue. but ccp had to change it to fit they numbers. 150damage with 6 clip and 36 ammo and no crazy 225% HEADSHOT damage. I think it was 175% to shields, |
Black SlaverX
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2014.09.27 06:51:00 -
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Orphan Shadow wrote:It's pretty damn good. ADS pilots should get a free Bolt Pistol as a consolation prize for their "loss".
You also quit battles 1 minute before your side loses, just to have some poor shlub have to take your place. You really suck.
Watch your back because I might be there.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1883
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Posted - 2014.09.27 08:01:00 -
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JT Buddy wrote:The spreadsheet says they actually dropped the range and damage per shot just slightly, and increased the RoF by about 12%.
Personally, I tthink it's the fact that we can try out all the sidearms for free now, so newish guys like me are finding the 'awesome power' of the little hidden gems, lol.
Really though, I never used it before, only a little bit now, but I still prefer the magsec for now. Something about 7 shots in an automatic just seems wrong. It seems like an advanced version of magsec. Basically, if you can aim well, the bolt is what you want. If you miss a lot, stick with the magsec.
No you have misunderstood. Since the hotfix its RoF has been dialed back 12%.
Now with more evil.
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