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CommanderBolt wrote:

General Mosquito wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style.

The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there.

Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it.

While I support your statement, lets be honest. Most proto players I see in pub matches are NOT good enough to sustain proto, many times they lose 2,3,4,5 suits in a match. That could be upwards of a million isk a time for 5 suits.

The difference is older players had many bonuses that others did not get. Asset removal gave us a lot of isk when beta ended. Then you have the whole year + of PC farming that made a certain group billions of isk each.

It is unfair to say to new players, "oh you cant support running proto unless you are god like", but these honestly average players can run proto forever because they had systems in place to make billions of isk passively.

Now honestly I say to new players to man up and use cheap gear and grind isk like I have over time. But that's not to say that the whole thing is fair because its not.

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y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:26:00 - [1] - Quote The drop in new player alts being made, due to Hotfix Deltas attempt to stop you scrubs from isk farming off new accounts. Get rich, and get good. Source: Eve offline. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4722	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:47:00 - [2] - Quote Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:38:00 - [3] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
valad II NoGameNoLife 99	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:40:00 - [4] - Quote Sorry for the dumb question, but what was changed in Delta about the Alt Faucet?
Random Redberry Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 13	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:41:00 - [5] - Quote dont do drugs kids cus that is fake happinsess were you real happy to see it or fake happy? if fake happy u need to see doctor pls then join my corp i got left as ceo what do? pls join
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4731	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:41:00 - [6] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4731	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:42:00 - [7] - Quote valad II wrote: Sorry for the dumb question, but what was changed in Delta about the Alt Faucet? starter ISK was reduced so people can't make ISK by biomassing alts. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1763	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:42:00 - [8] - Quote I honestly cant believe people were bothering to make alts just for the measly bit of isk, just then to recycle and start again. Like honestly? How much messing about must that have been just for a little isk? If you are prepared to accept dying and losses, there are may many viable sub 20k fits that you can easily make isk with. If you are really struggling for isk, use a starter fit and hell dont even engage reds if you are really bad! You can run around hacking things for WP and do something sneaky for a few kills like hunting for snipers or something. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2442	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:43:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Lolwut, what on earth do you run to think that, and how fast do you lose it?! I heavily disagree. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 398	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:45:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. How much do your ADV loadouts cost?! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1763	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:47:00 - [11] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. While I support your statement, lets be honest. Most proto players I see in pub matches are NOT good enough to sustain proto, many times they lose 2,3,4,5 suits in a match. That could be upwards of a million isk a time for 5 suits. The difference is older players had many bonuses that others did not get. Asset removal gave us a lot of isk when beta ended. Then you have the whole year + of PC farming that made a certain group billions of isk each. It is unfair to say to new players, "oh you cant support running proto unless you are god like", but these honestly average players can run proto forever because they had systems in place to make billions of isk passively. Now honestly I say to new players to man up and use cheap gear and grind isk like I have over time. But that's not to say that the whole thing is fair because its not. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:48:00 - [12] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. What confused you about my simple post? If you die 5 times in a pub match, you are bad, and should feel as such. No wonder you can't afford all proto all the time. Christ, I just sold all my ISK to someone in game, when I played yesterday, I made pure profit off of 10 matches. Ran proto all the time. If you can't do that, then you are bad, and will always be a loser. CCP shouldn't prop you up just so you don't feel like the scrub you are. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:51:00 - [13] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. While I support your statement, lets be honest. Most proto players I see in pub matches are NOT good enough to sustain proto, many times they lose 2,3,4,5 suits in a match. That could be upwards of a million isk a time for 5 suits. The difference is older players had many bonuses that others did not get. Asset removal gave us a lot of isk when beta ended. Then you have the whole year + of PC farming that made a certain group billions of isk each. It is unfair to say to new players, "oh you cant support running proto unless you are god like", but these honestly average players can run proto forever because they had systems in place to make billions of isk passively. Now honestly I say to new players to man up and use cheap gear and grind isk like I have over time. But that's not to say that the whole thing is fair because its not. If they cannot sustain running all proto all the time, then killing them will bring their proto days to an end. Do you know who had real piles of ISK back in the day? Imps, Nyain, TP, AE. How many of those people are still playing? Maybe 50? So why should CCP alter the economy for a small fraction of players whose overall affect on the game is neglible? People like to blame someone else running proto for them dieing. It is a convenient excuse, and nothing more. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4732	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:52:00 - [14] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. How much do your ADV loadouts cost?! 40-50K Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4732	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:53:00 - [15] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. What confused you about my simple post? If you die 5 times in a pub match, you are bad, and should feel as such. No wonder you can't afford all proto all the time. Christ, I just sold all my ISK to someone in game, when I played yesterday, I made pure profit off of 10 matches. Ran proto all the time. If you can't do that, then you are bad, and will always be a loser. CCP shouldn't prop you up just so you don't feel like the scrub you are. 99% of Dust loses 5 suits in a match if they aren't hiding in the redline. Soooooo Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2665	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:55:00 - [16] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. What confused you about my simple post? If you die 5 times in a pub match, you are bad, and should feel as such. No wonder you can't afford all proto all the time. Christ, I just sold all my ISK to someone in game, when I played yesterday, I made pure profit off of 10 matches. Ran proto all the time. If you can't do that, then you are bad, and will always be a loser. CCP shouldn't prop you up just so you don't feel like the scrub you are. Be sure to put on sunscreen when you go to get the Chee-tos. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:57:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: 99% of Dust loses 5 suits in a match if they aren't hiding in the redline. Soooooo And most of them are absolutely horrible. I make no secret that I think most of the people playing Dust are semi-********. There is a reason why the old PC community was such a small group, there was only ever a tiny minority of decent players in this game. Because they are bad, and refuse to accept that, why should CCP cater to them? General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 984	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:51:00 - [18] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Because they are bad, and refuse to accept that, why should CCP cater to them? ...because that's where CCP would make money? By catering to the 99% players that are scrubs instead of the 1% that are elite. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:53:00 - [19] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Because they are bad, and refuse to accept that, why should CCP cater to them? ...because that's where CCP would make money? By catering to the 99% players that are scrubs instead of the 1% that are elite. And you fail at logic. CCP keeping ISK tight forces scrubs to buy aurum to make up for their lack of ISK. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4738	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:55:00 - [20] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Because they are bad, and refuse to accept that, why should CCP cater to them? ...because that's where CCP would make money? By catering to the 99% players that are scrubs instead of the 1% that are elite. It seems pretty obvious. I don't think CCP has catered to the elite on purpose. It's been their intention to help protect players from proto stomping, but in my opinion the stingy payouts only exacerbate the issue. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4738	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:56:00 - [21] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Everything Dies wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Because they are bad, and refuse to accept that, why should CCP cater to them? ...because that's where CCP would make money? By catering to the 99% players that are scrubs instead of the 1% that are elite. And you fail at logic. CCP keeping ISK tight forces scrubs to buy aurum to make up for their lack of ISK. I hear that thrown around quite a bit. If that's true then it was a poor approach. I think AUR was always about getting things before you had the SP to utilize it. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Michael Arck 5769	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:56:00 - [22] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Yes to the paycheck raises! Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1542	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:58:00 - [23] - Quote y678iop wrote: The drop in new player alts being made, due to Hotfix Deltas attempt to stop you scrubs from isk farming off new accounts. Get rich, and get good. Source: Eve offline. I think it was more of an attempt to give newberries some solid skills to start off with instead of letting them blindly waste their ISK and SP. So the reduction in starting ISK is do to that because I highly doubt there were enough people farming new character ISK to warrant any kind of action; hell, I can let my kids play ambush in a starter fit for an hour and make a hell of lot more ISK than that. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 984	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:59:00 - [24] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: And you fail at logic. Actually, by catering the game towards that incredibly small target of elite players you'll quickly end up with a dead game. What player is going to stick with a game where they're expected to die ten times a match and then pay them enough to cover the cost of three of those suits? General Mosquito wrote: CCP keeping ISK tight forces scrubs to buy aurum to make up for their lack of ISK. Good luck with that Pay-to-Win scheme. See how far that gets you... Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4362	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:22:00 - [25] - Quote EVE Offline (Scroll down to the Red Graphs) It is really hard to tell just how many art farmers there were as this is Thursday, and Thursday consistently has the least characters created of any day of the week. I believe that people overestimated how many of the new characters being created each day where Alt farmers. From my experience there really are a lot of new players trying out the game. Incidentally, you can really see the effects of Summer Vacation on the new character creation graph. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 10	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:37:00 - [26] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Actually, by catering the game towards that incredibly small target of elite players you'll quickly end up with a dead game. What player is going to stick with a game where they're expected to die ten times a match and then pay them enough to cover the cost of three of those suits? The game is already dead, and was so even when more than half the player base had endless ISK. The game gives you more than enough ISK to put together perfectly competent standard suits. You want to roll in better gear all the time, either be a better player and lose less suits, or get out your credit card and buy some aurum. Everything Dies wrote: General Mosquito wrote: CCP keeping ISK tight forces scrubs to buy aurum to make up for their lack of ISK. Good luck with that Pay-to-Win scheme. See how far that gets you... You clearly don't know what pay-to-win is. Remember when the Aurum light damage mods were half the fitting of the ISK variants? That was P2W. Same with all the other module variants that got pulled at the same time due to an uproar on the forums. I would link you to the posts, but since I biomassed GBN, I don't have an easy way to find them. What you don't like is the idea of having to pay-to-play at an equal level to people who are better than you. If you can't afford to run full proto, don't. It isn't rocket science. In Eve, this is constantly reiterated as "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose". If your abilities do not allow you to run proto all the time, that is on you, not on CCP to give you enough ISK to equalize the playing field. You would complain when a high sec exploration site doesn't give you enough ISK to buy a Titan. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:21:00 - [27] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. On this point, im with you. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:25:00 - [28] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: y678iop wrote: The drop in new player alts being made, due to Hotfix Deltas attempt to stop you scrubs from isk farming off new accounts. Get rich, and get good. Source: Eve offline. I think it was more of an attempt to give newberries some solid skills to start off with instead of letting them blindly waste their ISK and SP. So the reduction in starting ISK is do to that because I highly doubt there were enough people farming new character ISK to warrant any kind of action; hell, I can let my kids play ambush in a starter fit for an hour and make a hell of lot more ISK than that. Actually there were about 800 alts per day being made, and that is exactly why the change was made. Its down to about 200 per day. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 480	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:51:00 - [29] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Problem with that is, it is just going to further push those players toward a passive play style. The ISK faucet needs to be turned up, I'd actually try 100% increase and work from there. Maybe people should stop thinking they are entitled to proto and get good enough to support it. Not sure I understand your point. You lose 5 ADV suits in a pub and you don't profit. What confused you about my simple post? If you die 5 times in a pub match, you are bad, and should feel as such. No wonder you can't afford all proto all the time. Christ, I just sold all my ISK to someone in game, when I played yesterday, I made pure profit off of 10 matches. Ran proto all the time. If you can't do that, then you are bad, and will always be a loser. CCP shouldn't prop you up just so you don't feel like the scrub you are. Your post is bad, your theories are bad, and you should feel bad. I don't like bullies. You must be a sad little dude IRL. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 559	Posted - 2014.09.25 23:20:00 - [30] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I don't like bullies. You must be a sad little dude IRL. In real life he is UP. So he needs to come here to feel OP. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.



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