DUST Search - Hotfix: ADS Community Respec

manboar thunder fist wrote:

As of late the changes to the ADS have become absolutely ridiculous.

Killing has never been an issue for swarms, they easily do 1500 ish armour damage a volley.... if even 2 swarm launchers pair up they can take out most vehicles in the game toe to toe, unless the dropship sees them from far away or cover blocks the tank.

However let me mention some changes:

1. Swarm changed to 4 per volley - Higher alpha damage less impact time
2. Swarm lock-on speed buffed- just over 4.5 seconds to let loose over 3000 damage
3. Swarm launcher damage mods buffed
4. Swarm launcher speed buffed
5. Swarm launcher acceleration buffed
6. Swarm launcher commando bonus introduced.

7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. ( 2.48 MILLION SP FOR 0.233 SHOTS PER SECOND +)
Rail damage nerf
Rail ROF nerf

This is completely unfair and even unwarranted. The consecutive nerfs to the effectiveness of ADS's will be unleashed in their full force in Hotfix Delta. The ADS community has united and even though we persevered where others failed, and kept trying and losing isk upon heap of isk to master the power of flight. We will not stand for this. We demand a respec of the respective incubus/python racial bonus skill as this is not what we signed up for. After so long, you completely change our sp investment.

If it was reasonable, say addition of stacking penalties to gunner bonuses, we would happily accept it. But now you are infringing on the effectiveness of each and every single pilot out there, and sadly, the way things are, we won't be around much longer. o7

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manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 133	Posted - 2014.09.23 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote As of late the changes to the ADS have become absolutely ridiculous. Killing has never been an issue for swarms, they easily do 1500 ish armour damage a volley.... if even 2 swarm launchers pair up they can take out most vehicles in the game toe to toe, unless the dropship sees them from far away or cover blocks the tank. However let me mention some changes: 1. Swarm changed to 4 per volley - Higher alpha damage less impact time 2. Swarm lock-on speed buffed- just over 4.5 seconds to let loose over 3000 damage 3. Swarm launcher damage mods buffed 4. Swarm launcher speed buffed 5. Swarm launcher acceleration buffed 6. Swarm launcher commando bonus introduced. 7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. Rail damage nerf Rail ROF nerf This is completely unfair and even unwarranted. The consecutive nerfs to the effectiveness of ADS's will be unleashed in their full force in Hotfix Delta. The ADS community has united and even though we persevered where others failed, and kept trying and losing isk upon heap of isk to master the power of flight. We will not stand for this. We demand a respec of the respective incubus/python racial bonus skill as this is not what we signed up for. After so long, you completely change our sp investment. If it was reasonable, say addition of stacking penalties to gunner bonuses, we would happily accept it. But now you are infringing on the effectiveness of each and every single pilot out there, and sadly, the way things are, we won't be around much longer. o7 NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3065	Posted - 2014.09.23 20:57:00 - [2] - Quote 1. Swarm changed to 4 per volley - Higher alpha damage less impact time We're sorry, this waaahmbulance ride was unwarranted. Base damage of the four shot proto swarm is now 75 less than the six missile vomiting monster. 2. Swarm lock-on speed buffed- just over 4.5 seconds to let loose over 3000 damage Forge gun not only hits FASTER, but HARDER. and 3000 damage? Pull the other one. You can't do that with any weapon, though the Wyrkomi Breach Forge Gun comes close... unless you're talking about multiple shots... Does this mean my ability to output about 4,000 damage in less than 5 seconds is utterly unfair? Assault Forge: Wins. Should I apologize? 3. Swarm launcher damage mods buffed Wah. Now they can somewhat keep up with forge guns for damage. 4. Swarm launcher speed buffed a whole 10 M/S. that's really not a lot. 20% of a derpship's speed. They ain't catchin' you very fast I tell you what. 5. Swarm launcher acceleration buffed meh? 6. Swarm launcher commando bonus introduced. This was always a thing, and wasn't targeted at swarms. Only the Minmatar commando gets it. The one you should be worrying about is the Gallente Commando now that the PLASMA GO FASTA! 7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. Yeah that's about how much Sp I've dumped into my Forge Gun. Have fun kids! This PSA brought to you by: A serious smartass!
Atiim 12427	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote Re-balance does not constitute Re-spec. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
a brackers Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 52	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 1. Swarm changed to 4 per volley - Higher alpha damage less impact time We're sorry, this waaahmbulance ride was unwarranted. Base damage of the four shot proto swarm is now 75 less than the six missile vomiting monster. 2. Swarm lock-on speed buffed- just over 4.5 seconds to let loose over 3000 damage Forge gun not only hits FASTER, but HARDER. and 3000 damage? Pull the other one. You can't do that with any weapon, though the Wyrkomi Breach Forge Gun comes close... unless you're talking about multiple shots... Does this mean my ability to output about 4,000 damage in less than 5 seconds is utterly unfair? Assault Forge: Wins. Should I apologize? 3. Swarm launcher damage mods buffed Wah. Now they can somewhat keep up with forge guns for damage. 4. Swarm launcher speed buffed a whole 10 M/S. that's really not a lot. 20% of a derpship's speed. They ain't catchin' you very fast I tell you what. 5. Swarm launcher acceleration buffed meh? 6. Swarm launcher commando bonus introduced. This was always a thing, and wasn't targeted at swarms. Only the Minmatar commando gets it. The one you should be worrying about is the Gallente Commando now that the PLASMA GO FASTA! 7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. Yeah that's about how much Sp I've dumped into my Forge Gun. Have fun kids! This PSA brought to you by: A serious smartass! TL;DR: No Respec for you! I know we are not getting a respec but every thing you said about forge is completly flawed. The forge actually needs some skill to use unlike the swarms Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 396	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:31:00 - [5] - Quote All my suits were rebalanced at some point. Deal with it that's what I had to do
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 668	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote I think the nerf is a little overboard but lolrespecthreads
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1918	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:41:00 - [7] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: 7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. ( 2.48 MILLION SP FOR 0.233 SHOTS PER SECOND +) Infantry have always had to spend millions of SP for tiny percentage changes to damage output. Proficiency skills for light weapons give you +3% per level to shield OR armour armour, so +1.5% per level effectively. The skills cost over 1.5mil each to take to level 5. Welcome to the club.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3071	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:47:00 - [8] - Quote a brackers wrote: I know we are not getting a respec but every thing you said about forge is completly flawed. The forge actually needs some skill to use unlike the swarms Striving for accuracy with as much effort as the post I was responding to! Basically lazy generalizations! I'm well aware that the forge gun requires skill to use! It's the only thing that's worth firing at an ADS! I actually shot down a Python with a STD Plasma cannon. But let's face it, that was the Hail Mariest of Hail Mary Luck Shots.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5765	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:51:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 1. Swarm changed to 4 per volley - Higher alpha damage less impact time We're sorry, this waaahmbulance ride was unwarranted. Base damage of the four shot proto swarm is now 75 less than the six missile vomiting monster. 2. Swarm lock-on speed buffed- just over 4.5 seconds to let loose over 3000 damage Forge gun not only hits FASTER, but HARDER. and 3000 damage? Pull the other one. You can't do that with any weapon, though the Wyrkomi Breach Forge Gun comes close... unless you're talking about multiple shots... Does this mean my ability to output about 4,000 damage in less than 5 seconds is utterly unfair? Assault Forge: Wins. Should I apologize? 3. Swarm launcher damage mods buffed Wah. Now they can somewhat keep up with forge guns for damage. 4. Swarm launcher speed buffed a whole 10 M/S. that's really not a lot. 20% of a derpship's speed. They ain't catchin' you very fast I tell you what. 5. Swarm launcher acceleration buffed meh? 6. Swarm launcher commando bonus introduced. This was always a thing, and wasn't targeted at swarms. Only the Minmatar commando gets it. The one you should be worrying about is the Gallente Commando now that the PLASMA GO FASTA! 7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. Yeah that's about how much Sp I've dumped into my Forge Gun. Have fun kids! This PSA brought to you by: A serious smartass! TL;DR: No Respec for you! Will you marry me?. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."
Atiim 12429	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:53:00 - [10] - Quote a brackers wrote: I know we are not getting a respec but every thing you said about forge is completely flawed. The forge actually needs some skill to use unlike the swarms You must be one of those blueberries who do nothing but stand there and fire them in a straight line if you think they don't require skill to use. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3077	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:30:00 - [11] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Will you marry me?. You are not a real person. Your existence depends upon flimsy data transfer. So no.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 575	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:57:00 - [12] - Quote (Im a pilot.) No respec. 10% increase in ROF per level was obscene, compared to other bonuses in the game. Simple as. Its been used and abused. I have both, a lot of SP "lost" some would say - no. A lot of SP spent on something that can equate to Weapon Proficiency as an example. Imagine if the Rail Rifle had a 10% ROF Bonus per level in a certain skillbook. Or the Python got a 10% Damage Bonus per level for Small Missile Turrets. Both are obscene and would be abused like us pilots have the Turret ROF. If you skilled into it for the 10% ROF... tough. You should've seen how ridiculous that is. Hell, I did but still spent I dont know how much SP on those bonuses. Anyway, with the AB nerf it balances us against Infantry respawn times, which on average is about 30-60 seconds - the same time range we'll have to wait for AB's to cool down. Swarms are now useful rather than just letting us fly away and 10 seconds later have a fully recharged AB again. I mean, I've used an MLT Afterburner for way way too long. And so what if we die more - hull cost reduction to 200k? Yes please. Won't take 2 excellent matches to buy another fully fitted ADS. The only person in Dust stupid enough to Proto every single god-damn weapon. 19/19.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5766	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:02:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Will you marry me?. You are not a real person. Your existence depends upon flimsy data transfer. So no. Lol. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1217	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:02:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: a brackers wrote: I know we are not getting a respec but every thing you said about forge is completely flawed. The forge actually needs some skill to use unlike the swarms You must be one of those blueberries who do nothing but stand there and fire them in a straight line if you think they don't require skill to use. Yeah , they must don't understand the fact that you have to set up your volleys and not only that , if your in a high spot and you have a boarding party approaching , swarming is definitely hard to do and don't mention when you are on the ground trying to avoid scouts and enemy counter fire as well as trying to dodge HAV's or LAV's with jump out heavies . No skill ??? I believe that you must not swarm often or have an investment in swarms to talk like that and if you are invested , you must not use them much . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5766	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:03:00 - [15] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: (Im a pilot.) No respec. 10% increase in ROF per level was obscene, compared to other bonuses in the game. Simple as. Its been used and abused. I have both, a lot of SP "lost" some would say - no. A lot of SP spent on something that can equate to Weapon Proficiency as an example. Imagine if the Rail Rifle had a 10% ROF Bonus per level in a certain skillbook. Or the Python got a 10% Damage Bonus per level for Small Missile Turrets. Both are obscene and would be abused like us pilots have the Turret ROF. If you skilled into it for the 10% ROF... tough. You should've seen how ridiculous that is. Hell, I did but still spent I dont know how much SP on those bonuses. Anyway, with the AB nerf it balances us against Infantry respawn times, which on average is about 30-60 seconds - the same time range we'll have to wait for AB's to cool down. Swarms are now useful rather than just letting us fly away and 10 seconds later have a fully recharged AB again. I mean, I've used an MLT Afterburner for way way too long. And so what if we die more - hull cost reduction to 200k? Yes please. Won't take 2 excellent matches to buy another fully fitted ADS. Bravo old chap, jolly good. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3557	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:09:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Re-balance does not constitute Re-spec. This. ADS has been really REALLY OP. You should be glad you got to enjoy a while of being so ridiculously overpowered it was not even funny, and learn to enjoy playing at a more balanced level too. And as Rattati said, if the balance change goes too far, he's already prepared to readjust it within days. Not even waiting until the next hotfix. So cool your jets, shut off the panic alarms, and get back to shooting things. (And hurry, you're only OP for a short while longer! Enjoy while you can.) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1218	Posted - 2014.09.23 23:31:00 - [17] - Quote Must mean that the next fix is coming soon . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Zindorak 1.U.P 938	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:06:00 - [18] - Quote Yea ADS's will become unsusable Pokemon master! I suck at Tekken lol
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 572	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:48:00 - [19] - Quote How the hell can you judge what will HAPPEN without actually seeing the results? Please give this hot fix a chance before you berate it. Also, Cal Scouts did not get a respec despite their whole bonus being changed. You will NOT be getting one either... CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront 3 Ace Boone's boy =D Friendships are forged by war
John ShepardIII Murphys-Law 534	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:56:00 - [20] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: As of late the changes to the ADS have become absolutely ridiculous. Killing has never been an issue for swarms, they easily do 1500 ish armour damage a volley.... if even 2 swarm launchers pair up they can take out most vehicles in the game toe to toe, unless the dropship sees them from far away or cover blocks the tank. However let me mention some changes: 1. Swarm changed to 4 per volley - Higher alpha damage less impact time 2. Swarm lock-on speed buffed- just over 4.5 seconds to let loose over 3000 damage 3. Swarm launcher damage mods buffed 4. Swarm launcher speed buffed 5. Swarm launcher acceleration buffed 6. Swarm launcher commando bonus introduced. 7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. ( 2.48 MILLION SP FOR 0.233 SHOTS PER SECOND +) Rail damage nerf Rail ROF nerf This is completely unfair and even unwarranted. The consecutive nerfs to the effectiveness of ADS's will be unleashed in their full force in Hotfix Delta. The ADS community has united and even though we persevered where others failed, and kept trying and losing isk upon heap of isk to master the power of flight. We will not stand for this. We demand a respec of the respective incubus/python racial bonus skill as this is not what we signed up for. After so long, you completely change our sp investment. If it was reasonable, say addition of stacking penalties to gunner bonuses, we would happily accept it. But now you are infringing on the effectiveness of each and every single pilot out there, and sadly, the way things are, we won't be around much longer. o7 Don't worry in a few months CCP will make the ads OP again The True Shepard.

poison Diego Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 434	Posted - 2014.09.24 04:06:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 1. Swarm changed to 4 per volley - Higher alpha damage less impact time We're sorry, this waaahmbulance ride was unwarranted. Base damage of the four shot proto swarm is now 75 less than the six missile vomiting monster. 2. Swarm lock-on speed buffed- just over 4.5 seconds to let loose over 3000 damage Forge gun not only hits FASTER, but HARDER. and 3000 damage? Pull the other one. You can't do that with any weapon, though the Wyrkomi Breach Forge Gun comes close... unless you're talking about multiple shots... Does this mean my ability to output about 4,000 damage in less than 5 seconds is utterly unfair? Assault Forge: Wins. Should I apologize? 3. Swarm launcher damage mods buffed Wah. Now they can somewhat keep up with forge guns for damage. 4. Swarm launcher speed buffed a whole 10 M/S. that's really not a lot. 20% of a derpship's speed. They ain't catchin' you very fast I tell you what. 5. Swarm launcher acceleration buffed meh? 6. Swarm launcher commando bonus introduced. This was always a thing, and wasn't targeted at swarms. Only the Minmatar commando gets it. The one you should be worrying about is the Gallente Commando now that the PLASMA GO FASTA! 7. ADS bonus reduced from 50% to 15%. A bonus that costs 2 mil + SP. Yeah that's about how much Sp I've dumped into my Forge Gun. Have fun kids! This PSA brought to you by: A serious smartass! TL;DR: No Respec for you! Whole 15 mill? No the hell you haven-¦t. All I see is whinig and moaning from a guy that has never jumped more than a feet from the ground. He was not asking for a comparison, he is telling you how it is. This is utterly onfair and ADS pilots deserve nothing but a full Dropship respec. I give up R.I.P ADS getting more proficiency in the shotgun so I can kill every single f*ck I see using swarmlauncher
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1284	Posted - 2014.09.24 08:44:00 - [22] - Quote poison Diego wrote: ADS pilots deserve nothing Fixed that for you. You're one of the worst offenders. Get ready to start dying. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3104	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:00:00 - [23] - Quote Culled from poison Diego: Whole 15 mill? No the hell you haven-¦t. I'm sorry, but I have spent over 25 million skill point into skills relevant to murdering dropships. The SP I've dumped into my commando suits is purely "for the funzies." Once I get PLC and swarms past prof 3 I'll up that number. All I see is whinig and moaning from a guy that has never jumped more than a feet from the ground. You can't even spell whining correctly while you do it. He was not asking for a comparison, he is telling you how it is. This is utterly onfair and ADS pilots deserve nothing but a full Dropship respec. "Telling me how it is?" I saw a buncha broad, irrelevant comparisons, most of which no one cared about until your precious RoF overdrive decided to go away. He used anecdotal evidence to claim something that is patently untrue. It's completely fair that easy mode is GOING AWAY. Dropship pilots deserve nothing. What was fun for you was an utterly miserable experience for the rest of us. Why the hell do you think I take such joy in making tanks, dropships and LAVs explode? Because you bastards roll around farming infantry kills then cry HTFU, QQ more, and get gud.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 132	Posted - 2014.09.24 11:46:00 - [24] - Quote THE HELL IS SO IMPORTANT ABOUT A RATE OF FIRE NERF!? If a swarm launcher or forge gunner is already aiming at you and charged/locked you are going to be hit rate of fire isn't going to fix that! They aren't lowering your hp or anything that would help them actually kill you! I am dead serious someone tell me how this is a great catastrophe for all ADS
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3116	Posted - 2014.09.24 13:27:00 - [25] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: THE HELL IS SO IMPORTANT ABOUT A RATE OF FIRE NERF!? If a swarm launcher or forge gunner is already aiming at you and charged/locked you are going to be hit rate of fire isn't going to fix that! They aren't lowering your hp or anything that would help them actually kill you! I am dead serious someone tell me how this is a great catastrophe for all ADS It means they can't farm the rest of the assauts under them before the magic (AV) happens.
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 137	Posted - 2014.09.24 15:21:00 - [26] - Quote It means we can't kill any vehicles. NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 137	Posted - 2014.09.24 15:23:00 - [27] - Quote Nice to see that practically everyone who doesn't use a certain item is a troll and wishes to smirk at others. If you had such substantial nerfs to both the AV/AI nature of your roles i bet you would be on destiny right now. Thanks for every ignorant **** that responded. thanks atiim. NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 803	Posted - 2014.09.24 15:50:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Dropship pilots deserve nothing. What was fun for you was an utterly miserable experience for the rest of us. Why the hell do you think I take such joy in making tanks, dropships and LAVs explode? Because you bastards roll around farming infantry kills then cry HTFU, QQ more, and get gud. By that logic, AV players deserve nothing: 1.6 was utter hell for ADS pilots. 400m lock-on Swarms that did more damage than now meant ADS pilots learned to run really fast, because showing your face got it blown off by seven guys in the redline. Or the 600m redline Large Railguns. It's swings and roundabouts: not every ADS pilot wants a broken game - most I have met agree with most of Judge's videos, essentially espousing balance. Don't tar everyone with the same label. Alt of Halla Murr.
Atiim 12474	Posted - 2014.09.24 15:59:00 - [29] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: thanks atiim. Why I am indeed humbled and honored that you'd thank me for supporting the ADS becoming balanced. o7 manboar thunder fist The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1575	Posted - 2014.09.24 16:21:00 - [30] - Quote While I have found no use for my Python, the hits to the Incubus aren't as horrible as I first feared. Don't get me wrong, I'm gonna fly a lot less now, but I've killed a couple tanks that weren't tanked up. Just got to be careful on those shots, you get like 6 or 7 before you overheat with Railguns. And now that Pythons barely shoot faster, I expect to see fewer as an Incubus can do just as well. That's just my experience from my 5 games. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...



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