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rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 141	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:21:00 - [1] - Quote Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5114	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:24:00 - [2] - Quote rithu wrote: Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets. Vet here. Under 60M SP. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 141	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Vet here. Under 60M SP. I said most of em
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 2674	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:28:00 - [4] - Quote Just broke 50M this weekend after not playing for months. Who's got 70+ ?
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3644	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:28:00 - [5] - Quote Been here since day 1 closed beta 36m sp. Don't really care either way. A respec will allow the fotm chasers to leave scouts and heavies which I'm against since they deserve a nerf. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 141	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:29:00 - [6] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Just broke 50M this weekend after not playing for months. Who's got 70+ ? many......
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 2674	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:31:00 - [7] - Quote rithu wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Just broke 50M this weekend after not playing for months. Who's got 70+ ? many...... pics or it didn't happen
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 196	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:34:00 - [8] - Quote Why do you need a respec? The Million Clone Challenge should have given you at least 2 million SP... Join the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2642	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:44:00 - [9] - Quote There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
valad II NoGameNoLife 68	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:57:00 - [10] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely.

Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2643	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:00:00 - [11] - Quote valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. That has been proven a stupid axiom here on so many levels for so long, it's a wonder anyone bothers to burp it up anymore. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
valad II NoGameNoLife 70	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:04:00 - [12] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. That has been proven a stupid axiom here on so many levels for so long, it's a wonder anyone bothers to burp it up anymore. You're right. Respecs everyday , allday. Sounds so cool.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2643	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:06:00 - [13] - Quote valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. That has been proven a stupid axiom here on so many levels for so long, it's a wonder anyone bothers to burp it up anymore. You're right. Respecs everyday , allday. Sounds so cool. No dopier than the alternatives, considering the Lobby McBugfest we're shaking hands with now. Wow, those extra eye-rolls just made me smarter than you. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1203	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:07:00 - [14] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Agreed , even more so with a game that's on life support . I for one would .. can't understand those who are against it , just don't file for one ... a system should be set up in place so that those who would like one , can file for one after delta so we can be done with this subject and get this whole thing over with already . I can see why it wasn't done after the infantry changes before FF but now , that there were more changes .. it's only right and would even up the playing field so that those who are really assaults can be assaults and get out of scouts and heavies . I could care less about FOTM because right now there is no clear cut FOTM and that's the way it should be but the oversaturation of scouts is killing this game for a lot of players as you can see posts from players on a regular . After Delta , a thread should be in place for players to become informed and then a filing process so that those who would like a refund can acquire one and those who don't , won't be bothered . Lets get this done already so that we can more on and some fun can be had by those who are clamoring for a refund , if it's a full or infantry ... right now with the climate and how boring this game is for some , this could bring some new energy into the whole mix . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1205	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:10:00 - [15] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. That has been proven a stupid axiom here on so many levels for so long, it's a wonder anyone bothers to burp it up anymore. IKR . How can choices matter when you make a choice and what you choose gets changed ? GTSOOH ... Get that $h!T out of here . Before you could use that excuse but now it's moot . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2644	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:11:00 - [16] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. That has been proven a stupid axiom here on so many levels for so long, it's a wonder anyone bothers to burp it up anymore. IKR . How can choices matter when you make a choice and what you choose gets changed ? GTSOOH ... Get that $h!T out of here . Before you could use that excuse but now it's moot . Before what? The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1205	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:16:00 - [17] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Before what? Yeah , I understand ... players use to say that decisions mattered and I would kind of except that but that's just crap now . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
valad II NoGameNoLife 72	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:22:00 - [18] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. That has been proven a stupid axiom here on so many levels for so long, it's a wonder anyone bothers to burp it up anymore. You're right. Respecs everyday , allday. Sounds so cool. No dopier than the alternatives, considering the Lobby McBugfest we're shaking hands with now. Wow, those extra eye-rolls just made me smarter than you. OMG you are a genius. You should go work for CCP you have all the answers. You should have been CPM that is a def. for sure.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2644	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:24:00 - [19] - Quote valad II wrote: OMG you are a genius. You should go work for CCP you have all the answers. You should have been CPM that is a def. for sure. Wouldn't "Uncle" have been easier to type? The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 74	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:26:00 - [20] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: rithu wrote: Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets. Vet here. Under 60M SP. Also, a respec won't give the newbro an edge against a vet. A newbro will only have an edge against a vet if he outplays that vet. Running FoTM gear is no substitute for smart play. Agreed. As much as Im guilty of wasting SP and would like it back, I can live with my decisions. I was surprised at how well I was doing w my alt with no SP and militia gear. Leveling up stuff seems it just gives you more padding to allow for more reckless playstyles. Some encounters there's just no way out of, you'll die no matter lvl your at.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1207	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:26:00 - [21] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Why do you need a respec? The Million Clone Challenge should have given you at least 2 million SP... Haven't you noticed by now when players start to talk about refunds and all , that we magically get an event like the one that we just had and that was because of the release of Destiny over anything else . It's cool that those who are pleased with their system ... and you have roll over SP's in place so that you can adapt and change up but there are some who are not happy with their layout and feel that if they could change how their set-up's are , that would breath a new life into this game . How is that so wrong and who in the community who really cares about the community , would be against that ??? It's nice to feel like you can sculpt your character the way that you like and not have some access baggage of useless items and wasted skill points . Those who have been here long enough , know that you had countess chances to change things that were changed and were able to rearrange the constant directional changes ( much like now ) that this game had in it's early days . There should be no vet against a refund . You have the SP cushion , knowledge and experience to handle it also you had a chance to experience it yourself in the early onset of the game . I really can't see a new player ( Not an alt ) that would be against it as well because that's like shooting yourself in the foot . Let's just get this done already . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1310	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:43:00 - [22] - Quote rithu wrote: Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets. Thread number #1075. BTW, respecs help MORE mid-range veterans than juniors. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4661	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:45:00 - [23] - Quote rithu wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Just broke 50M this weekend after not playing for months. Who's got 70+ ? many...... There's only a handful with that much. I'd say under 20. I'm at 68.3 after this event. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4661	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:46:00 - [24] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: rithu wrote: Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets. Thread number #1075. BTW, respecs help MORE mid-range veterans than juniors. I'd say the 15-20 Mil SP player probably gains the most. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
valad II NoGameNoLife 72	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:50:00 - [25] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: valad II wrote: OMG you are a genius. You should go work for CCP you have all the answers. You should have been CPM that is a def. for sure. Wouldn't "Uncle" have been easier to type? Whatever that means, sure. Just sounds creepy to call you that "Uncle" makes it sound like your a chilly moe(child molester) . What ever you want Uncle. You are right, you DESERVE a Respec button. Fukin morons.
Awesome Pantaloons Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 583	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:53:00 - [26] - Quote A respec won't give you an edge against me. More SP will do that. Keep playing, and maybe some day you will have proto suits for days like I do. Also, I don't feel like making a gigantic list of my skills and putting all the points back. "Awesome Pants don't care. Awesome Pants don't give a s**t."
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5753	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:36:00 - [27] - Quote Just like all the other threads, signed. I have proto weapons that I officially won't ever use again as I decided to dedicate this char to Minmatar. I think, therefore brainfart. I sauced my info from Heinz.
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 236	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:42:00 - [28] - Quote while I have some sp in skills I regret, I'm kind of for and kind of against respecs. On one hand, I don't see how respecs harm the community, and they are a good way of retaining players, especially new ones who are hovering in the 1 million to 10 million (where a respec would help the most). On the other hand, too many respecs will really play havoc with fotm builds. So I think we should have a respec once in a blue moon. maybe once every three or four hotfixes, and one at the beginning of every client update or inclusion of new guns and suits etc. But no more than that and definitely not one after we just finished the Million Clone Challenge. If you can't wait until then, I think CCP should charge money for special skill boosters that reset your sp for a respec. That way if you really really want a respec now, you at least help CCP stay up a little longer (and thus help the rest of the players to enjoy Dust a little longer). Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:51:00 - [29] - Quote it might have mattered long time ago, then patch poker started to ruin specialized fittings. it is one thing to balance something but another to completey change someones fittings due to bad design decisions. anyway we wont get a respec, it is "too much of work" to write a database query & insert of a few lines.
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 74	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:11:00 - [30] - Quote valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. That argument is negated by all the changes and new content.

SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 76	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:31:00 - [31] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: rithu wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Just broke 50M this weekend after not playing for months. Who's got 70+ ? many...... There's only a handful with that much. I'd say under 20. I'm at 68.3 after this event. That's quite a bit, Is there anything left to skill into at that point? You prob have a harder time finding things in your skill tree to spend SP on than worrying yourself on what to spend it on.
Unit-775 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:51:00 - [32] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: rithu wrote: Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets. Thread number #1075. BTW, respecs help MORE mid-range veterans than juniors. I'd say the 15-20 Mil SP player probably gains the most. People like me would gain the most: Medicore veteran player with 63mil SP. Skill into coreskills and FOTM. Spare the rest (maybe 25mil ?) wait for nerf of FOTM skill into next FOTM wait for whiners who are to stupid to spend their SP wisely to get me another respec. Rinse and repeat.
Lucion Ony Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:07:00 - [33] - Quote Riruodo wrote: while I have some sp in skills I regret, I'm kind of for and kind of against respecs. On one hand, I don't see how respecs harm the community, and they are a good way of retaining players, especially new ones who are hovering in the 1 million to 10 million (where a respec would help the most). On the other hand, too many respecs will really play havoc with fotm builds. So I think we should have a respec once in a blue moon. maybe once every three or four hotfixes, and one at the beginning of every client update or inclusion of new guns and suits etc. But no more than that and definitely not one after we just finished the Million Clone Challenge. If you can't wait until then, I think CCP should charge money for special skill boosters that reset your sp for a respec. That way if you really really want a respec now, you at least help CCP stay up a little longer (and thus help the rest of the players to enjoy Dust a little longer). i agree that you would have to pay aur for it. it would atleast help ccp alot considering i know if people regret or made mistakes of trying out a certain fitting then soon disliked it would have the choice to have a reboot with sp
Michael Arck 5705	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:14:00 - [34] - Quote I had to look at the thread creation date. I thought this bumped. So you are seriously asking for a respec after the MCC and the opportunity to gain even a million plus with omega booster? It even says at the info screen that they arent doing any and any support ticket submitted about it will be denied. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Lucion Ony Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:24:00 - [35] - Quote i am not saying that people need a respec. its just to have the option there for a fresh start of sp. if anyone really wants to respec they of course would have the choice. main word CHOICE. that if people really want a respec. just make the option available. me. i don't need a respec i am fine with my skills so far but i am thinking of the community. i am just supporting at some sorta respec buy with real money system should be available to players. for those who feel they ruined their characters with worthless skills they never use. why not respec for skills that you will actually use? i don't understand why people are so against it. if you pay for respec. it helps out ccp the more we help out ccp the more the game will advance.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 129	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:25:00 - [36] - Quote Hahaha, very funny. No seriously, perfect timing after a weekend spent to earn SP with seven digits. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Lucion Ony Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:33:00 - [37] - Quote again... its the gamers choice to pay real money to have respec or not you don't have to pay if you don't want a respec. its a legit system used many other games. yes. the events great ccp does alot for us. but if the ccp decides to get more money? and people who find out they wasted skills into something later find out they don't want. why not give the players the power to make up for their choices. and with all the changes to stats on many things. give the power to the players and money in the pockets of ccp
Dj grammer New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 369	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:36:00 - [38] - Quote rithu wrote: Hard nerf(s), & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a re-spec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us, the new players, receive a well deserved re-spec so we have either an edge against the vets or be on a sub par level of competing against them. Think about it this way, you essentially give me back 47 million skill points to spend back into things I wanted. You would also leave prone FoTM (good lord I hate using this term) as I expected from this past Million clone challenge event when everyone was handed a free 2 million (3 million if you had a booster. 4 million if you had an omega? someone check for omega.). To me 2 million alone was enough to get the desired suit or get things in your drop-suit core upgrades done (I really hope new players did this. Core upgrades help out in the long run). Even veteran players like myself made horrid choices to spend skill into and wish we had N number of chances to correct the n number of mistakes (N being a variable of times we need to realize we screwed up and wish for do-overs. n being a variable of the number of screw up we did or a skill we found to be useless). I agree there should be a re-spec but up to a max out value to keep players like myself from becoming more dangerous. I say people under 20 million could have a re-spec. Saved for editing Darkness is a Beginning, you see, not an end.
Lucion Ony Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:41:00 - [39] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: rithu wrote: Hard nerf(s), & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a re-spec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us, the new players, receive a well deserved re-spec so we have either an edge against the vets or be on a sub par level of competing against them. Think about it this way, you essentially give me back 47 million skill points to spend back into things I wanted. You would also leave prone FoTM (good lord I hate using this term) as I expected from this past Million clone challenge event when everyone was handed a free 2 million (3 million if you had a booster. 4 million if you had an omega? someone check for omega.). To me 2 million alone was enough to get the desired suit or get things in your drop-suit core upgrades done (I really hope new players did this. Core upgrades help out in the long run). Even veteran players like myself made horrid choices to spend skill into and wish we had N number of chances to correct the n number of mistakes (N being a variable of times we need to realize we screwed up and wish for do-overs. n being a variable of the number of screw up we did or a skill we found to be useless). I agree there should be a re-spec but up to a max out value to keep players like myself from becoming more dangerous. I say people under 20 million could have a re-spec. Saved for editing that is a better way to think of it i mean.. that is a great idea. it would help the balancing issue between vets and noobs and in between in almost any game that has to do with skills that really matter its always good to beable to have a fresh start in some way
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 54	Posted - 2014.09.22 22:03:00 - [40] - Quote valad II wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: There should be a big red button in the Merc Quarters that gives you a full respec, no questions asked. Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Then I guess decisions don't matter and you shouldnt be responsible for the ones you make. Just the opposite of what this game was built on. Spend wisely. This game being built on regrettable decisions because they get rearranged many times over? How many hours have you spent making that up? The point of games is not to making horrible, regrettable decisions tat make us waste our precious earnings should we ever mess up when our mind is truly made up, that is life. We're suppost to have fun in a game, and that's that., realism should exist here, but not our actually reality. You see Ivan, when you hold peestol like me, you never shoot the inaccurate... For fear of shooting fingers!

Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 474	Posted - 2014.09.22 22:07:00 - [41] - Quote How 'bout them Dallas Cowboys? Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
The Robot Devil Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2592	Posted - 2014.09.22 23:04:00 - [42] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Because, it just doesn't matter and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. Agreed , even more so with a game that's on life support . I for one would .. can't understand those who are against it , just don't file for one ... a system should be set up in place so that those who would like one , can file for one after delta so we can be done with this subject and get this whole thing over with already . I can see why it wasn't done after the infantry changes before FF but now , that there were more changes .. it's only right and would even up the playing field so that those who are really assaults can be assaults and get out of scouts and heavies . I could care less about FOTM because right now there is no clear cut FOTM and that's the way it should be but the oversaturation of scouts is killing this game for a lot of players as you can see posts from players on a regular . After Delta , a thread should be in place for players to become informed and then a filing process so that those who would like a refund can acquire one and those who don't , won't be bothered . Lets get this done already so that we can move on and some fun can be had by those who are clamoring for a refund , if it's a full or infantry ... right now with the climate and how boring this game is for some , this could bring some new energy into the whole mix . This mantra has been sung since the game went into full release on almost a daily basis and at least weekly. Console FPS players can't handle how DUST handles SP and therefore beg, plead, threaten and curse everything to try to get what they want. I haven't played since FF and I had just broken 24M SP and I was it the first wave of closed beta players. Respecs don't help as much as people think they do. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the fat get fatter because they keep doing the same things that made them that way. Poor or uninformed SP placement will never change and "noobs" will always make the same mistakes, players will always cry foul to try to get RESPECS!!! because of a tweak and good players will always beat bad players no matter the SP. Weird how that works. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2592	Posted - 2014.09.22 23:12:00 - [43] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: rithu wrote: Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets. Thread number #1075. BTW, respecs help MORE mid-range veterans than juniors. This I have to agree with. Low SP toons don't have enough to really change their game, high SP players have enough to max most things but the middle group have just enough to re-specialize and make a little difference. The last partial respec didn't do much for me. I skilled the same suits and had a bit left over to skill into a weapon that I didn't enjoy and won't use. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2592	Posted - 2014.09.22 23:13:00 - [44] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: How 'bout them Dallas Cowboys? I don't like basketball. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1214	Posted - 2014.09.23 01:29:00 - [45] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: This mantra has been sung since the game went into full release on almost a daily basis and at least weekly. Console FPS players can't handle how DUST handles SP and therefore beg, plead, threaten and curse everything to try to get what they want. I haven't played since FF and I had just broken 24M SP and I was it the first wave of closed beta players. Respecs don't help as much as people think they do. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the fat get fatter because they keep doing the same things that made them that way. Poor or uninformed SP placement will never change and "noobs" will always make the same mistakes, players will always cry foul to try to get RESPECS!!! because of a tweak and good players will always beat bad players no matter the SP. Weird how that works. You know with the way that this game is and how so much is out of wack , it would be fun to have one's destiny in their own hands and allow players to change with the game and the knowledge that they now have . It would be nice for players to play to their full potential every match ( note the spinning MCC and home spawn guardians and people who team kill and players who jerk off in vehicle turrets and so on ) and some would like to use their skill points in ways that help them to feel that they have more of a hold in the creation of their character . Your totally missing the point of why some would like a refund . Create a better environment and more entertaining experience . Who would fight that with common sense and speak on behalf of the community at the same time . If it's not all that , it shouldn't break the game in any way .. so why act against it ..??.., to bust balls or try to act as a game breaker ..??.., there are more then enough of those types that work threw their campaigns to try to nerf items and once changes that occur that would actually help to improve the environment , they fight those tooth and nail . I just don't see the big deal if it's not effecting the community in a negative way but we always have all the fuss over this topic every time it's brought up ( Before people use to use that excuse , choices matter but check the forums to see how many talk about the changes and how it effects them ) , like it would help some to become OP or something or destroy the environment in any way . It wasn't a problem for those who reaped in the early stages and the changes of the game that's happening now , is a reflection of it's remaining life span and what type of impact that it will have once it's transplanted , what's wrong with those who are not able to follow , having a enjoyable experience in their last moments ? Why is this concept fought now of all times ??? Why must people reason to enjoy their playing experience , when it doesn't and wont have a negative effect on the community as a whole and might just increase the numbers of players who play and also the time that they play as well . How is that negative ??? Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
DarthPlagueis TheWise 81	Posted - 2014.09.23 01:39:00 - [46] - Quote vets with an insane amount of SP are no better than the rest of us. when i reach 40 million i will have a full proto scout, logi AND heavy with one sidearm, two heavy weapons, and two light weapons all proto. and that will pretty much be the endgame. i don't need to proto out my assault to know what it feels like because i used to run min logi as a slayer and i still run gal logi as a slayer, and i ran my caldari assault blueprint enough to have a pretty good feeling. im not very interested in vehicles but i pretty much am almost finished with my full proto gunnlogi character with missiles which means soon i will even have a python. so anything beyond 40 mil in my opinion is overkill and is no better than the guy with 10 or 15 that has a full proto suit.
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 87	Posted - 2014.09.23 01:47:00 - [47] - Quote rithu wrote: Hard nerfs, & new sp allocations for newbies. Must have a respec, also most of the vets already got 70+mil SP & skilled into what they want. So please let us noobs get a respec so we nhave an edge against the vets. Noob agress we want respec . WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! WE WANT RESPEC ! Sniper Hunting and Noobs Trolling are my specialities. Dust 514 Videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCldBb96c0OpYqYd
Miokai Zahou WarRavens Capital Punishment. 392	Posted - 2014.09.23 01:56:00 - [48] - Quote This amazing thread is going places really fast.... down the toilet like all the other respec threads ever made since the dawn of FOTM-kind. Like the way of all things.. just let it die already and earn your skill points you scrubs. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
The Robot Devil Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2592	Posted - 2014.09.23 02:41:00 - [49] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: This mantra has been sung since the game went into full release on almost a daily basis and at least weekly. Console FPS players can't handle how DUST handles SP and therefore beg, plead, threaten and curse everything to try to get what they want. I haven't played since FF and I had just broken 24M SP and I was it the first wave of closed beta players. Respecs don't help as much as people think they do. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the fat get fatter because they keep doing the same things that made them that way. Poor or uninformed SP placement will never change and "noobs" will always make the same mistakes, players will always cry foul to try to get RESPECS!!! because of a tweak and good players will always beat bad players no matter the SP. Weird how that works. You know with the way that this game is and how so much is out of wack , it would be fun to have one's destiny in their own hands and allow players to change with the game and the knowledge that they now have . It would be nice for players to play to their full potential every match ( note the spinning MCC and home spawn guardians and people who team kill and players who jerk off in vehicle turrets and so on ) and some would like to use their skill points in ways that help them to feel that they have more of a hold in the creation of their character . Your totally missing the point of why some would like a refund . Create a better environment and more entertaining experience . Who would fight that with common sense and speak on behalf of the community at the same time . If it's not all that , it shouldn't break the game in any way .. so why act against it ..??.., to bust balls or try to act as a game breaker ..??.., there are more then enough of those types that work threw their campaigns to try to nerf items and once changes that occur that would actually help to improve the environment , they fight those tooth and nail . I just don't see the big deal if it's not effecting the community in a negative way but we always have all the fuss over this topic every time it's brought up ( Before people use to use that excuse , choices matter but check the forums to see how many talk about the changes and how it effects them ) , like it would help some to become OP or something or destroy the environment in any way . It wasn't a problem for those who reaped in the early stages and the changes of the game that's happening now , is a reflection of it's remaining life span and what type of impact that it will have once it's transplanted , what's wrong with those who are not able to follow , having a enjoyable experience in their last moments ? Why is this concept fought now of all times ??? Why must people reason to enjoy their playing experience , when it doesn't and wont have a negative effect on the community as a whole and might just increase the numbers of players who play and also the time that they play as well . How is that negative ??? Edit : I just don't see what a console has to do with anything , what's wrong with you PC players .. are you racist against a game platform ? It's always #PCMASTERRACE with you people . Is it really that serious ? #MOREIMPORTANTTHINGSINLIFE . First, I own two PC games. One being EVE and the other being SImcity nothing to do with #PCMasterRace. I just bought Simcity last week and EVE has been on my PC for going on three years. I am a console gamer. I have owned every PS except the 4 and I will be buying one soon. I have a VITA I play daily. Secondly, it does have a negative effect on the community. One of the selling points of DUST514 and of New Eden is the persistence. Yes, I understand that the game hasn't lived up to expectations, promises weren't fulfilled and that the game seems unpolished and underdeveloped but that doesn't mean we should throw it all to the wind and just go all out in every direction. We still have to stay-somewhat-in the vision and abide by the rules set by the universe. The Robot Devil wrote: [C]onsole FPS players can't handle how DUST handles SP... Lastly, when I said that I am pointing to how almost all other FPS games handle upgrades and the such. I say console FPS because we, the console players, are more conditioned to being able to just throw our characters all about willy nilly. I would group PC FPS in there but I am not a PC gamer so I can't speak to that end as well. The problem with DUST and respecs isn't the game it is the gamers mentality, we are accustomed to having it our way and many players can't handle not being able to change their character on a whim. I am not downing console gamers, I am speaking about a group I am part of and I consider myself to be a console gamer. EVE throws people the same curve, they expect to be able to just throw money down and get the "golden gun" but it isn't like that and they also don't realize or care that it takes time to get somewhere. By providing a respec every time something is changed we set a bad precedent for New Eden and for all players that come after us. I have never asked for a respec and I never will because it goes against the very essence of what New Eden is about. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 475	Posted - 2014.09.23 05:14:00 - [50] - Quote When I saw Shinobi posted I knew it would be long winded and begging for a respec. I didn't even read his post. I never read his posts anymore. I already know what they say. I'll save that 5 minutes of my life. Ignore him and move on. Pete Repeat. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.

Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.09.23 08:27:00 - [51] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Secondly, it does have a negative effect on the community. One of the selling points of DUST514 and of New Eden is the persistence. Yes, I understand that the game hasn't lived up to expectations, promises weren't fulfilled and that the game seems unpolished and underdeveloped but that doesn't mean we should throw it all to the wind and just go all out in every direction. We still have to stay-somewhat-in the vision and abide by the rules set by the universe. you are talking about a game that is just a beta for the PC version. just saying. it might have mattered once long time ago but currently it is as significant as the poo I flush down the toilet every day. beside that the positive aspects overshadow the "negatives" by far, especially because the negatives are just "some bitter kids dont want others to have nice things". if those bitter kids are butthurt about people getting a respec, well this would be a double win cause their tears are delicious. anyway, we wont get any respec. the respec itself is most likely something you can do in 15 minutes, it is after all just a database query & insert command of a few lines. the testing, server preperation and support of players where it went wrong on the other hand is an effort which CCP obviously do not want to spend time on.
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 322	Posted - 2014.09.23 08:57:00 - [52] - Quote truth be told i would like a respec, do i need one no cause i'm at 31m and the majority of my sp would be going back into the same things, however they are many things that i skilled into that makes my eye quiver just looking at them (prof.3 ar,pc,fg, shield regulation, cardiac regulators.) "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong


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