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CCP Rattati wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Where was discussion on such a huge Nerf to ADS ROF?

The decision was mine and mine alone, a 50% increase in DPS is unprecedented progression of damage in the game, and makes it impossible to balance.

I decided to rip the band aid off and we don't need a full named hotfix to inject one or two remedies afterwards.

And just to iterate, based on all data and experience, the ADS is far too powerful. It is a huge force multiplier and it does everything well, it transports infantry and uplinks. decimates infantry and vehicles, intercepts RDVs and vehicle delivery, avoids swarms with ease. The only counter is a mass team shift to AV, and forges, and by then the rest of the ADS team has gone full anti-infantry. Even if you, by some off chance, take it down, the pilot ejects, runs behind a hill and calls in another one.

I see that the discussion has swayed from, "it's not OP", to "we all knew and admitted it was OP but this is too much".

We will monitor the situation, and if ADS performance stats plummet below an acceptable threshold, our response will be immediate, not based on a hotfix schedule. For now, let's see what happens. Don't forget that Turret damage profiles have also changed in Delta.


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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 199	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:03:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, here are the numbers as they will get implemented. Most of these numbers should be familiar to those of you following the Hotfix Delta discussion threads. Without further ado, here are the numbers and changes. Hotfix Delta Numbers As this Hotfix contains an awful lot of changes, please let us know if you see any suspicious numbers. For example, some eagle-eyes already caught a copy paste error for the Flaylock clip size (s/b 4 not 2). Much appreciated. Thanks for the participation Heres something really suspicious, whats with the ROf nerf? A swarmer brought it up once in the swarms vs ADS thread and that was it. 1 post. No thread about how effective is the ROF, why people spec into it, and if it is to be nerfed by how much? Zero feedback, zero reasoning, just hit it with the nerf bat. I know you don't fly. I know you take offense whenever someone offers to show you what its like from the air.You say you go by data and charts, which charts did you look up? what data did you take in? Really. Combine that with the small rail ROF nerf. My own level 3 dropship will go from firing 30% faster than current standards to -21% to standard. Negative 21%... A nice big F U to the pilots who don't stomp on infantry, who go after tanks from the sky and chase away the missile ships. The guys who shoot down the vipers, gorgons, grimsness any myrons going for the towers, stopping tower forgegunners and snipers in thier tracks. Gunners, sad day for you. Maxxed out witb a pilot, you'll be firing as fast as i currently do. Your 2.2 million SP investment is no longer required. I am certainly happy that i didn't spec into the python, though, those pilots are really screwed over. Missile incubus is the only fit left. For all pilots thanks for the surprise buttsex. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 207	Posted - 2014.09.23 05:05:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Where was discussion on such a huge Nerf to ADS ROF? The decision was mine and mine alone, a 50% increase in DPS is unprecedented progression of damage in the game, and makes it impossible to balance. I decided to rip the band aid off and we don't need a full named hotfix to inject one or two remedies afterwards. And just to iterate, based on all data and experience, the ADS is far too powerful. It is a huge force multiplier and it does everything well, it transports infantry and uplinks. decimates infantry and vehicles, intercepts RDVs and vehicle delivery, avoids swarms with ease. The only counter is a mass team shift to AV, and forges, and by then the rest of the ADS team has gone full anti-infantry. Even if you, by some off chance, take it down, the pilot ejects, runs behind a hill and calls in another one. I see that the discussion has swayed from, "it's not OP", to "we all knew and admitted it was OP but this is too much". We will monitor the situation, and if ADS performance stats plummet below an acceptable threshold, our response will be immediate, not based on a hotfix schedule. For now, let's see what happens. Don't forget that Turret damage profiles have also changed in Delta. Really man, i've tried to reason with you but you are really making stuff up to justify the nerfs. ''it transports infantry and uplinks'' It only transports infantry (like i dunno, a dropship should, and every dropship does) and infantry drop the links. ''decimates infantry and vehicles'' Every single weapon in Dust kills infantry. Thats the weakest excuse so far. You need to back it farther than this anecdotal B.S. Show us the stats that say ADS are the top of leaderboards. Dont say ''they went 15-0'' or even ''20-0'' when top players regularly get 30+ kills a match.To kill heavy vehicles you need level 5 ROF or 2.2 million SP invested into dropships. You need level 3 to kill other dropships. Last time i checked shotgun scouts and HMGs were the leading killers of dust. Show the stats: What killed more tanks or vehicles since 1.8. AV, tanks or Dropships? ''intercepts RDVs and vehicle delivery'' Flat out lie. Large turrets have a massive issue taking down RDVs. RDVs take out dropships. There has never been in the history of dust, and RDV that got shot down by a dropship. Vehicles dropped off can be intercepted by anybody. ''avoids swarms with ease'' no, avoids one swamer by leaving the entire frigging battle. A tank can avoid one swarmer with ease. An LAV can avoid one swarmer with ease. Anything mobile can avoid a single swarmer. In a tank i can pull up and blast him in the face. I can jump out of an LAV and shoot him in the face. In Dropship i have to fly away, regroup, guess his position, make a pass to see if there are multiple swarms and make a second pass to kill him outright or drop in a team mate. ''The only counter is a mass team shift to AV, and forges'' Wrong again, its not the only counter. 1 swarmer is enough to drive away any ship, a swarmer + 1 forge gunner is complete area denial. The whole team isn't on team chat to tell each other to switch to AV. They all want a crack at taking don the dropship. What makes this unique to dropships? When there's a heavy driving around in an LAV guess how many players switch out to AV. Based on experience? What experience do you have? You sad yourself tht you tried swarms for one day, refuse to fly with anybody who offers, claiming flying isnt nessary, and when you pull out charts they are tweaked to meet your own conclusions. ''Even if you, by some off chance, take it down, the pilot ejects, runs behind a hill and calls in another one'' The only difference between a pilot ejecting and calling in a second dropship and killing a pilot who respawns and calls in another dropship is 50+ warpoints. You have a hard time taking down dropships tht doesn't mean everybody else does. The discussion hasn't shifted to pilots saying the ADS is OP just you and soraya and few other terrible swarn players repeating it over and over and over to the point where if some of us don't give in to a Dev we might get hit in the face with the nerf bat. Not surprisingly this is exactly what happened anyway. Really i don't know which pilot make you throw your controller at the screen, but this attitude is exactly what I would expect from someone who admittedly knows nothing about the ADS or Dropships, got no numbers or facts yet insists what ever kills him or her is OP. ''Its not me its them'' TL;DR Stop balancing off of your rage quitting. Stop backing up your claims with anecdotal B.S. that you say pilots use when we explain in page after page of what happens when we fly. Show us the numbers that say the Assault Dropship kills the most troops, the most vehicles than any other suit, weapon, or vehicle in the game. Show the numbers that say they survive the most damage in the game. Show the numbers that say assault dropships are the most used vehicle in the game. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.