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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:00:00 -
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The breach shotgun is absolutely useless and I almost never see it. It doesn't have enough damage per clip to take out a heavy and the small clipsize is needlessly punishing. I'd recommend a clip size buff to 4 or increase the rof/damage.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1302
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:39:00 -
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Agreed.
The breach SG has always been subpar to other shotties.
The only 'benefit' is questionable as well.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:56:00 -
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a small damage buff and 4 round clip is good enough. if you haven't used it, it can take a heavy down with both shots as to 3 from standard shotties
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:11:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:a small damage buff and 4 round clip is good enough. if you haven't used it, it can take a heavy down with both shots as to 3 from standard shotties
Sorry, I meant it can't kill tankedd proto heavies in one clip.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
7446
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:20:00 -
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agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals 
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1303
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:33:00 -
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Nah while it's useless there's no need to work it.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:50:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals
1. Fix hit detection on the Shotguns in general
2. The spread is so tight on Shotguns it behaves like a slug round that only fires 5 meters in front of you.
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What I'd like to be done to the Shotgun is make it be useful on suits outside of scout suits.
To make the Shotgun more universal for at least medium suits I'd have two variants.
The "Base" shotgun would turn into more of an Assault Like shotgun with much more range, more of a controlled spread (enough to keep a hallway clear) reduced damage, same amount of rounds until reload.
The Breach Shotgun would get 2 more rounds until reload and more spread.
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NINEinch WEAPON
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:54:00 -
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Imo 2 shots is fine.. Just make the reload speed like normal shotguns... Currently it's like it's smashing in 4 rounds, that's what the animation looks like.. Then it's all about timing..
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Gentlemen's.Club
5085
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:17:00 -
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B*tch please, breach shotty is OP
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2281844#post2281844
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7593
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:47:00 -
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I'm taking it slow
Feeding my flame
Shuffling the cards of your game
And just in time
In the right place
Suddenly I will play my ace
Something's wrong when you regret
Things that haven't happened yet
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:57:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals
tbh, I would be worried if dust kept you up at night.
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zzZaXxx
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:02:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals
Just a few few tweaks and we've got a new viable weapon, ala breach SMG.
Definitely need to reduce reload time and increase clip size. That's it I think. It already has the better accuracy (and slightly more range?)
Not that I want to help scouts. |
Apocalyptic Destroyer
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:07:00 -
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Just melee right before you shoot, you will shoot two bullets, as posted in the forums. " The many bugs in Dust 514 " It's a youtube video.
- Pain is weakness leaving the body.
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
5709
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:25:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals
Increase clip size to 4.
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Increase reload speed.
OR
Buff damage
&
Increase reload speed.
I think that buffing the damage could simply create an ohk fotm nightmare if you are not careful.
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
1073
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Posted - 2014.09.19 06:37:00 -
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NINEinch WEAPON wrote:Imo 2 shots is fine.. Just make the reload speed like normal shotguns... Currently it's like it's smashing in 4 rounds, that's what the animation looks like.. Then it's all about timing..
Just look at the TF2 shotgun vs F.A.N.
TF2 scattergun: 6 shots @ 0.64s delay, with 0.76s+0.56s reloading
TF2 FAN: 2 shots @ 0.4267s delay, with 1.64s reload. +20% more pellets with higher spread, -10% damage per pellet.
The guns play very differently; the FAN is for hit and run assassinations at short range, while the scattergun a generalist weapon that copes with medium-range scrimmages where a tougher enemy is whittled down over two or three shots where committing to cqc is not wise.
This role split can easily be applied to the breach shotgun.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.09.19 07:42:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals
It really just needs a damage buff. I fell in love with this gun in Chrome, but back then, suits generally had a lot less health. A 10 to 15% buff to the damage would probably fix the gun, though you're never likely to see a lot of people using this weapon as the low ammo count means you can't physically go through a crowd of guys and kill everyone with minimal effort.
Ugh... now I want to try shotguns again...
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
2421
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Posted - 2014.09.19 07:57:00 -
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What if it fired 2 shots rapidly when you hit the trigger, but during the two shots your turning is slowed.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
1423
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:03:00 -
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Once upon time I cared about the shotty and the breach was my favourite...
To bad I never could get the mouse settings the way I wanted them, which lead me to abandon my old scoutly ways...
Now I just run whichever seems to be working for me (for whichever reason). |
Ansla Valier
One Corps
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Posted - 2014.09.19 13:09:00 -
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I just started using it before the last event after hearing complains about it. It's actually a pretty good weapon once you know how to use it. If the ROF or clip size if changed the damage needs to be reduced IMO. It may also have a couple bugs.
For anyone having difficulty using it the way it is now the issue I had was that I had level 0 Rapid Reload. With level 5 the reload time drops to about 1.1 seconds (so per round this is less than a regular shotgun with rapid reload 0). Delay between shots is 1 second. Also know when to switch to an SMG. 1 hit does a ton of damage so if you don't kill them right off the bat your sidearm can real quick.
One important thing I noticed is that you can stop the reload process part way and shoot. The HUD don't tell you when you have 1 bullet ready to go but it's possible per my testing if you time it. I think this is a bug.
1 hit at close range kills almost any dropsuit that isn't a heavy, including a lot of proto assault suits (but not heavily armor tanked ones). 2 shots at close range kills most heavies. I mostly use the breach in close quarters when I notice that there are heavies without logis. If you're a little further away from your target it's basically like a normal shotgun with a lower ROF and smaller clip. You can't spray and prey. You need to connect your shots.
If you equip this to a commando I'm guessing it would be pretty useful. You can drop the reload time to be less than then the ROF plus boost the damage. Only downside is that it's a heavy dropsuit so you wont be ninja-ing up to people which is usually the point to a shotgun. But this could be seen as a bug possibly. Shot, reload, shot would be faster than shooting twice.
Basically I love this weapon because when I have a scout with a breach shotgun and remote explosives there is no single unit on the battle field I need to run from (just squads or tank brigades). I can take down individual tanks, scouts, heavies, assault. Anything. Perfect assassin. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.19 13:22:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals tbh, I would be worried if dust kept you up at night.
The Duvolle damage being 33.99 instead of 34 does...
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Blackfox 11
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2014.09.19 14:15:00 -
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I'm sure someone has brought this up before, all the shot guns have less ammo than their descriptions imply.
Why is that? Is it done on purpose, if so why not update the description?
Rattati, since you're keeping an eye on SG proposals, can you take a look at it? Either update the description or fix the ammo clip size on the SG's.
From memory(I only know these two):
CGR: Description: 34 magazine
Actual: 24 magazine
K5: Description: 18 magazine
Actual: 13 magazine
Even with the ammo skill at 2 or 3, it only adds about 1 or 2 bullets. I was a bit mad when I noticed after I had sunk some SP into the ammo skill. (._. )
Mine is at ammo skill Lv.2, does anyone have theirs at a higher level? Is there a major difference?
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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.19 15:12:00 -
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Buff the breach? Can you not get a head shot or something? Skill shot weapon leave it alone.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
99
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:20:00 -
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My slower internet and old 80G fat boy PS3 makes it very hard to use shot gun due to lag and low frame rates at times but when all is running smooth the breach SG is a beast just until you face multiple enemies....
It's fine as is
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5005
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:40:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:
It's fine as is
If it were fine, it'd be used. It hasn't been fine since Chromosome.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
538
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:54:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bright Steel wrote:It's fine as is If the Breach Shotgun were fine, it'd be used. It hasn't been fine since Chromosome. I'd propose we retool it to become a slug-styled, skill-shot weapon: 1) Increase optimal, effective and absolute ranges from 5, 20, 22 to 12, 24, 28. 2) Increase damage per pellet such that max HP unit is killed by * two center-mass blasts. 3) Increase headshot multiplier such that max HP unit is killed by * one center-mass headshot. * Assumes max proficiency Allotek Breach Shotgun within optimal range.
Is this with 2 shot clip? Same reload speed?
reduced reload speed a little and 2 shot would be fine. Same reload speed and 3 shot clip would be nice but would favor reload speed.
You kill in your 2 shots or dodge while reloading. 3 shots would give you 1 to miss so prefer to give target a better window to counter.
A super heavy well flux them first before blasting 2 shots or switch to sidearm after 2. The extended range allows you not to flux yourself in the process.
That would fit great with my preferred range
Sounds like a shotgun I would like to use and I hate shotgun.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5011
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:57:00 -
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@ Void
My suggestion assumed all else held constant.
Shoot scout with yes.
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
539
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Posted - 2014.09.19 20:03:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Void
My suggestion assumed all else held constant.
Still sound good.
Is it not the rule in negotiations to ask for more than you really want, lol
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3530
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Posted - 2014.09.19 22:44:00 -
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In my opinion the Breach feels like it's attempting to replicate a slug firing shotgun, so that's what I think it should ultimately become.
No Spread - A single fist sized projectile should expelled from the barrel
High Damage - The 2 shot clip should take out MOST soft targets (1400 dmg, 700 per shot)
Longer Reload - 5 second reload due to erranoues amont of cooling the shotgun requires
Longer Ramge - 10m Optimal 15m Effective
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1680
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:25:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:agreed, doesn't keep me up at night, but what can be done about it, I will read the proposals
Literally man it just needs like another round or two in the mag. Gather any opinions you can of course but I feel that a sweet spot for an initial 'pass' would be add +1 to the magazine / drum and a bit of extra damage, or add +2 to the magazine / drum and no extra damage.
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