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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1633
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:21:00 -
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So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use!
That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept. The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range?
So my proposal:
- Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel)
- Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy)
I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me, what do you think?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
3195
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:22:00 -
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Middle way down the notes, my friend.
CCP Rattati wrote:Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed
I believe increasing the projectile speed would remove the need for more damage. Just my 0.02 ISK.
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1633
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:25:00 -
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Oh f**k me Rattati is the god damn man!!
End Thread, I apologise for not paying enough attention.
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
93
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:52:00 -
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Make it one hit kill on ADS. If they get hit by a Plasma Cannon they deserve to die. |
TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
5701
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:02:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Make it one hit kill on ADS. If they get hit by a Plasma Cannon they deserve to die.
I'd have created so much QQ by now if that was the case lol.
Well that was spiffing!.
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
95
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:04:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Make it one hit kill on ADS. If they get hit by a Plasma Cannon they deserve to die. I'd have created so much QQ by now if that was the case lol.
Heavies even can side step the Plasma Cannon, ADS literally just have to gain slight altitude or drift slowly to the side and it will miss, if they are that low flying and slow they deserve to die. |
Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:38:00 -
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the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying.
even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets.
not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits.
increase projectile speed would be great though. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
3209
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:39:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying.
even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets.
not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits.
increase projectile speed would be great though.
Hit detection on anything with splash is odd. I use a MD and I could swear that some matches it doesn't have splash at all. Of course, it still scares the crap out of people because of the explosion so that helps.
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
129
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:48:00 -
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For av add proxies and or av nades. Shield tanks are really susceptible to this. Keep rockin that plc!
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
4468
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:49:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying.
even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets.
not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits.
increase projectile speed would be great though. Hit detection on anything with splash is odd. I use a MD and I could swear that some matches it doesn't have splash at all. Of course, it still scares the crap out of people because of the explosion so that helps.
Yep splash damage is glitchy, don't really know what it is but i suspect it has to do with the ground getting in the way of the damage radius. Shots from above are deadlyGǪ level ground I get a lot more zero damage.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
1306
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:56:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying.
even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets.
not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits.
increase projectile speed would be great though. Hit detection on anything with splash is odd. I use a MD and I could swear that some matches it doesn't have splash at all. Of course, it still scares the crap out of people because of the explosion so that helps.
Splash weapons seem to suffer from terrain interfering with the splash in odd ways. Often an insignificant pebble will absorb a huge blast and protect an enemy entirely. This also seems to be compounded (obviously) by weapons with a compact blast but still occurs with even the AMD, which is maddening.
I've also noticed some severe lag / data problems where these types of weapons will not fire a projectile. The animation goes through complete with sound but no round is fired nor damage dealt.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
319
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:59:00 -
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PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish)
The PLC is FINE.
Its FINE against infantry.
Its FINE against vehicles.
Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it.
It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them.
Leave the PLC ALONE!!
FIX the detection bugs.
Leave the PLC ALONE!!
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Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
2259
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:36:00 -
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I'd like to see the projectile get adhesion to vehicles like AV grenades have. It would be based on vehicle speed. 0 adhesion on a stationary vehicle and significant adhesion for a fast moving vehicle.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4124
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:41:00 -
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It's needs one of those anime super beam charge up swirlies
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1654
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:08:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish)
The PLC is FINE.
Its FINE against infantry.
Its FINE against vehicles.
Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it.
It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them.
Leave the PLC ALONE!!
FIX the detection bugs.
Leave the PLC ALONE!!
Man If I am using this weapon then your precious elite mode is already ruined, MUHAHA!
And its getting everything I think it needs in the form of increased projectile speed.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
321
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:24:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish)
The PLC is FINE.
Its FINE against infantry.
Its FINE against vehicles.
Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it.
It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them.
Leave the PLC ALONE!!
FIX the detection bugs.
Leave the PLC ALONE!! Man If I am using this weapon then your precious elite mode is already ruined, MUHAHA! And its getting everything I think it needs in the form of increased projectile speed.
It isn't elite mode, its "Works better when not soaked from noobuser tears" mode.
The day a "fix" drops for the PLC is the same day one of you PLC cryhards will post some QQ thread about how the PLC just needs "some little something else more".
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
184
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:36:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Middle way down the notes, my friend.CCP Rattati wrote:Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed I believe increasing the projectile speed would remove the need for more damage. Just my 0.02 ISK.
I agree..doesn't need more dmg..poor tankers
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1655
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:40:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish)
The PLC is FINE.
Its FINE against infantry.
Its FINE against vehicles.
Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it.
It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them.
Leave the PLC ALONE!!
FIX the detection bugs.
Leave the PLC ALONE!! Man If I am using this weapon then your precious elite mode is already ruined, MUHAHA! And its getting everything I think it needs in the form of increased projectile speed. It isn't elite mode, its "Works better when not soaked from noobuser tears" mode. The day a "fix" drops for the PLC is the same day one of you PLC cryhards will post some QQ thread about how the PLC just needs "some little something else more".
Well consider the vast majority of long time PLC users (and then newer users like myself) agree that projectile speed increase is enough, stop worrying.
Hell I am, only saying that for AV alone is the only reason it needs faster speed, its great as is for anti infantry. Kinda sucks when vehicles can easily out run the projectile.....
And what's with your emotive language? "PLC cryhards" who is crying? Stop acting like a baby.
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:47:00 -
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it's so slow that 80% of the time vehicles don't even mean to out run it |
Yeeeuuuupppp
Vengeance Unbound
595
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:52:00 -
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I'd love for them to make a variant that can lock onto vehicles and is a guaranteed hit if the target didn't move under cover or out of line of sight. Like the javelin from battlefield or something. Still 1 shOt in a clip, capable of 1.3k damage, only available at level 4 or proficiency 1.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2242
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:12:00 -
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I'd love to see a variant that would lay down 'plasma mines', stationary balls of plasma fire with a half life of 30 seconds or so. Easy for infantry to avoid but great for building tank traps.
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
533
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:48:00 -
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I once had a dream about Dust. The graphics were much better, and the only weapon that was changed was the Plasma Cannon. Rather than an arcing projectile, the cannons in my dream fired larger glowing orbs that bounced of a surface once and detonated after a certain period of time. Good lord were they utterly amazing...
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Michael Arck
5618
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:50:00 -
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Don't give buff this guy's weapon of choice folks, I'm telling you! LOL!
On a serious note, I do like the changes coming for the PLC. It's bout time it get some more love
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Vicious Minotaur
1137
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Posted - 2014.09.19 04:08:00 -
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The plasma cannon needs a multi-clip assault variant that acts like an anti-shield Mass Driver. Plus, a beastly AV breach variant.
Otherwise, the coming projectile speed buff is fine.
I am a minotaur.
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2014.09.19 07:50:00 -
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ok, to sum it up the community wants:
slightly faster projectile speed
fixed hit detection
assault/breach variant
did I forgot something? |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1242
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:12:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:ok, to sum it up the community wants:
slightly faster projectile speed
fixed hit detection
assault/breach variant
did I forgot something?
This game has went througfh enough FOTM that making the PLC a spam cannon is a risky choice
But Rattati is doing a good job so I'll trust him for now and wait to try out the changes
I do think too fast a projectile will add a RPG to Dust514, cool as that could be... NO
If I wanted to run an RPG I would play a shooter that has one..
But Rattati is continuing with the changes so *fingers crossed*
Variants -
- Assault - Less DMG for direct and splash, either quick load/charge or a small clip
- Breach - Instead of capping charge at the 1 second it is now, have an over charge function (ION Pistol)
where if I charge for 2 secs = 1000 DMG, 5 secs = 2000 DMG and 10 secs = 3000 DMG
(I am only suggesting numbers, it is the style of Breach I really want to see)
I've posted this before and not got much interest but as a Plasma lover these two Variants would be ace
The regular would be your Jack-Of-All-Trades, the Assault - Anti-Infantry, Breach - Serious AV
But on the confirmed changes... I really hope the increase in speed is not OP
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:41:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:ok, to sum it up the community wants:
slightly faster projectile speed
fixed hit detection
assault/breach variant
did I forgot something? This game has went througfh enough FOTM that making the PLC a spam cannon is a risky choice But Rattati is doing a good job so I'll trust him for now and wait to try out the changes I do think too fast a projectile will add a RPG to Dust514, cool as that could be... NO If I wanted to run an RPG I would play a shooter that has one.. But Rattati is continuing with the changes so *fingers crossed* Variants - - Assault - Less DMG for direct and splash, either quick load/charge or a small clip - Breach - Instead of capping charge at the 1 second it is now, have an over charge function (ION Pistol) where if I charge for 2 secs = 1000 DMG, 5 secs = 2000 DMG and 10 secs = 3000 DMG (I am only suggesting numbers, it is the style of Breach I really want to see) I've posted this before and not got much interest but as a Plasma lover these two Variants would be ace The regular would be your Jack-Of-All-Trades, the Assault - Anti-Infantry, Breach - Serious AV But on the confirmed changes... I really hope the increase in speed is not OP
I dont think a minor speed increase will make it a FOTM and btw a heavy can sidestep it if he isnt completely unaware. |
G Felix
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:43:00 -
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There are whole topics from over a year ago simply asking that the hit detection issues and the dud shot glitch be fixed. The PLC has always suffered from functional issues first and foremost. We can't claim to know how effective the weapon really is, as it has yet to really function without handicapping glitches. |
el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
322
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:46:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use!
ie. I haven't actually put any real time into using a weapon or refined my techniques in the various situations I place myself into while using this weapon BUT the weapon is obviously lacking since I'm not finding the same immediate success I find with other weapons. Instead of practicing to GG I will start a QQ forum thread instead. <- CryHard behaviour, start to finish.
That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept.
ie. I'm a scrub at this. So far, I've figured out how to hit people up close who are standing still facing away from me. But other than that, this is hard!! Save me, CCP!! Carry meeeeeee.....!!!
The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range?
ie. Why isn't this as ez as my shotgun?? And why haven't I been able to figure out how to time and range my shots without practicing ??? Why can't this thing, with its excellent damage profile bonused against shields, just be my quickdraw I WIN button??? After all, if I were to really spend the time learning to use it I would know how to do it but I'm a scrub so I'll just cry on the forums instead and try to get some attention and get the parameters changed to better fit my failures insead of my successes.
So my proposal:
- Cry first, train later.Done. Solid Gold Scrubbrush trophy awarded.
- Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel) Carry me CCP!! I can't hit the broadside of a barn from 50m, the PLC is drunk not me!!!
- Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy)
I already stated I'm a noobscrub at this, so I haven't actually spent the time to develop the PLAYER SKILL neccessary be worth a **** as AV with a PLC, but I have learned how to kill people with splash. Everything else must be broken and need to be fixed! CCP, Save Meh!! I'm terrible and you must save me from my own terribleness!!
I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me, what do you think?
This thread, like most PLC buff/nerf/tweak threads, is a product of the unskilled and impatient individuals whose constant pissing and moaning about "issues" take the valuable limited resources of the dev and squander them initiating data analysis of perfectly fine stats when those resources could be instead working to find solutions to the long and well documented list of ever-present game bugs like wonky hit detection, the sprint glitch and laaaaaagggg.
Open-Beta Vet.
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1672
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:53:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use!
ie. I haven't actually put any real time into using a weapon or refined my techniques in the various situations I place myself into while using this weapon BUT the weapon is obviously lacking since I'm not finding the same immediate success I find with other weapons. Instead of practicing to GG I will start a QQ forum thread instead. <- CryHard behaviour, start to finish.
That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept.
ie. I'm a scrub at this. So far, I've figured out how to hit people up close who are standing still facing away from me. But other than that, this is hard!! Save me, CCP!! Carry meeeeeee.....!!!
The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range?
ie. Why isn't this as ez as my shotgun?? And why haven't I been able to figure out how to time and range my shots without practicing ??? Why can't this thing, with its excellent damage profile bonused against shields, just be my quickdraw I WIN button??? After all, if I were to really spend the time learning to use it I would know how to do it but I'm a scrub so I'll just cry on the forums instead and try to get some attention and get the parameters changed to better fit my failures insead of my successes.
So my proposal:
- Cry first, train later.Done. Solid Gold Scrubbrush trophy awarded.
- Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel) Carry me CCP!! I can't hit the broadside of a barn from 50m, the PLC is drunk not me!!!
- Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy)
[i] I already stated I'm a noobscrub at this, so I haven't actually spent the time to develop the PLAYER SKILL neccessary be worth a **** as AV with a PLC, but I have learned how to kill people with splash. Everything else must be broken and need to be fixed! CCP, Save Meh!! I'm terrible and you must save me from my own terribleness!!
I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me, what do you think? This thread, like most PLC buff/nerf/tweak threads, is a product of the unskilled and impatient individuals whose constant pissing and moaning about "issues" take the valuable limited resources of the dev and squander them initiating data analysis of perfectly fine stats when those resources could be instead working to find solutions to the long and well documented list of ever-present game bugs like wonky hit detection, the sprint glitch and laaaaaagggg.
Oh wow man you really are something special aren't you.
I've put nearly 3m sp into this weapon. Yes I admit that I have only been using it for about a week and after my initial proposal I have clearly said that the projectile speed buff is fine.
You know you can say all of this s**t, the fact is it is part of this game and it is barely used by most. How do you think CCP feel about that?
There are many names I wish to call you but I am going to hold back and not stoop to your level of name calling. Ask anyone who has seen me using this recently if you think I am only using this to kill stationary targets. LOL.
I came here to discuss, if you disagree that's fine but the way you are approaching this sounds like you are the one with the issue here. My goodness some people.....
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
322
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:54:00 -
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The final result of the suggestions in this and similar threads will be an OP Plasma Cannon, FOTM spammed and subsequently nerfed into the ground ala flaylocks, logi suits and free LAVs.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
322
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:02:00 -
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Oooohh, 3 million SP! Thats the number for perfection! My bad, 3 million SP and a week using the thing! You're right, after 3 million SP and a week you should totally be PLCRomperStomperSaurusRex!!! If not, it must be because the PLC needs "something"!!!!!!!1!!!1!11
Only thing your PLC needs is a new OPERATOR.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:20:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:scrub stuff
this guy obviously never used a PLC.
I bet he cant even list the PLC bugs, anyone that used the PLC for 10 minutes can, in short he just another random guy with zero credibility.
there are 5 PLC bugs but common sense and logic does not apply to Dust. all the scrubs just dont want a challenge thus they do not want anything that could challenge them obviously. or they just troll. a PLC fix would mean that this guy have to adapt and use a brain which he does not like. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2872
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:25:00 -
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El OPERATOR:
2/10.
Points docked for trying hard at trolling, failing, and being obvious. You get +1 point for effort. |
John ShepardIII
Pure Evil.
513
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Posted - 2014.09.19 20:05:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use!
That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept. The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range?
So my proposal:
- Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel)
- Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy)
I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me, what do you think?
I agree. I use the Plc a lot for the Lolz and honestly no matter how awesome you are with aiming it, the projectile shoots so slow that you have to use it about 10m away from your target max. So yes I agree with the buff, but instead of giving it straight up more direct impact DMG just give it a DMG bonus to vehicles like Knova Knives . Still give it the projectile movement increase
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
1025
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Posted - 2014.09.19 20:13:00 -
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People are going to be dissappointed that they still suck with the PLC when the speed is increased. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
1025
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Posted - 2014.09.19 20:22:00 -
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Quote:I use the Plc a lot for the Lolz
and this is also the reason why most comment regarding PLC are useless.
PS: if you think the PLC is only usefull for targets in a range of 10m...then you might be aiming right for targets within that range, adjust your aiming for targets further away. Soon you'll notice that aiming isn't a problem...but hit detection is. |
el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.19 20:43:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:scrub stuff this guy obviously never used a PLC. I bet he cant even list the PLC bugs, anyone that used the PLC for 10 minutes can, in short he just another random guy with zero credibility. there are 5 PLC bugs but common sense and logic does not apply to Dust. all the scrubs just dont want a challenge thus they do not want anything that could challenge them obviously. or they just troll. a PLC fix would mean that this guy have to adapt and use a brain which he does not like.
You're right, I've never used the Plasma Cannon, have never picked off snipers on the rings from the catwalks, never picked off forgers on the catwalks from the rings, haven't been successfully, easily, using the PLC on AV fits for over a year, and have never, ever, ever used a PLC against any toptier corps in PC and never killed anybody with it. 
You're right, the Plasma Cannon needs a belt-feeder, a dot sight, a scope, a tripod with a bipod, a mount for attaching it to LAVs (with driver control), needs lock on AND target stickiness for installations, a full screen crosshair with rainbows showing the round decay over distance and should be target-paintable like an OB.
RKKR is right that even after all that all you indulgent, self-entitled children who are trash with a PLC now will still be trash with the PLC then.
BUT, you'll still be able to create qq threads about how utterly turrrible this game is!
EDIT: Hey, Breakin! If I reference that cheetos and mountain dew sucks will that push my feedback up to a 5/10?
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1678
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Posted - 2014.09.20 00:39:00 -
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Just earlier today I semi sniped someone on the rings using the PLC. I also got someone else on that same map who was above the CRU on the cat walk type areas.
I love the PLC, I'm not saying it needs huge changes. It has problems with hit detection for sure, just earlier on it went straight through a heavy`s chest and did nothing. I dont even think it hit.
Screaming your head off isn't going to help anything. The reason I feel the weapon needs more speed is entirely to do with vehicles. That is not to say that it cannot hit, you are being ridiculous.
I mention the 3m sp because you were implying that I am a scrub using a milita variant, saying I wont invest sp and are not willing to adapt. Then I say that I am heavily investing SP and you say:
"Oooohh, 3 million SP! Thats the number for perfection!"
and
"should totally be PLCRomperStomperSaurusRex!!!"
You sir are an idiot.
No I love the thing, I just feel for it to be a more balanced weapon it could do with more projectile speed. CCP are giving it that so why the massive tantrum el OPERATOR?
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1678
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Posted - 2014.09.20 00:43:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:
BUT, you'll still be able to create qq threads about how utterly turrrible this game is!
You didn't even read this thread did you.
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
215
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Posted - 2014.09.20 01:58:00 -
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Slickback approves of this projectile increase.
No longer will tanks lazily move to the side when I fire my giant balls of death at them.
No longer will a flaming tank out run my round without even tryimg to.
No longer will cocky dropship pilots escape after one round in their ass, only to return for revenge and run with their tail between their legs again.
No longer will my lav kills consist of murder taxis and hat tricks.
Planetside 2
Eventually
Eh
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.09.20 14:07:00 -
[42] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:scrub stuff this guy obviously never used a PLC. I bet he cant even list the PLC bugs, anyone that used the PLC for 10 minutes can, in short he just another random guy with zero credibility. there are 5 PLC bugs but common sense and logic does not apply to Dust. all the scrubs just dont want a challenge thus they do not want anything that could challenge them obviously. or they just troll. a PLC fix would mean that this guy have to adapt and use a brain which he does not like. You're right, I've never used the Plasma Cannon, have never picked off snipers on the rings from the catwalks, never picked off forgers on the catwalks from the rings, haven't been successfully, easily, using the PLC on AV fits for over a year, and have never, ever, ever used a PLC against any toptier corps in PC and never killed anybody with it. You're right, the Plasma Cannon needs a belt-feeder, a dot sight, a scope, a tripod with a bipod, a mount for attaching it to LAVs (with driver control), needs lock on AND target stickiness for installations, a full screen crosshair with rainbows showing the round decay over distance and should be target-paintable like an OB. RKKR is right that even after all that all you indulgent, self-entitled children who are trash with a PLC now will still be trash with the PLC then. BUT, you'll still be able to create qq threads about how utterly turrrible this game is! EDIT: Hey, Breakin! If I reference that cheetos and mountain dew sucks will that push my feedback up to a 5/10?
thanks for confirming that you have no clue. list all 5 PLC bugs and then you can talk. till then you are just a random scrub |
el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:32:00 -
[43] - Quote
G Felix wrote:There are whole topics from over a year ago simply asking that the hit detection issues and the dud shot glitch be fixed. The PLC has always suffered from functional issues first and foremost. We can't claim to know how effective the weapon really is, as it has yet to really function without handicapping glitches.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:35:00 -
[44] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:
This thread, like most PLC buff/nerf/tweak threads, is a product of the unskilled and impatient individuals whose constant pissing and moaning about "issues" take the valuable limited resources of the dev and squander them initiating data analysis of perfectly fine stats when those resources could be instead working to find solutions to the long and well documented list of ever-present game bugs like wonky hit detection, the sprint glitch and laaaaaagggg.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:35:00 -
[45] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:The final result of the suggestions in this and similar threads will be an OP Plasma Cannon, FOTM spammed and subsequently nerfed into the ground ala flaylocks, logi suits and free LAVs.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:39:00 -
[46] - Quote
RKKR wrote:People are going to be dissappointed that they still suck with the PLC when the speed is increased.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:41:00 -
[47] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:The final result of the suggestions in this and similar threads will be an OP Plasma Cannon, FOTM spammed and subsequently nerfed into the ground ala flaylocks, logi suits and free LAVs.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:42:00 -
[48] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:RKKR wrote:People are going to be dissappointed that they still suck with the PLC when the speed is increased.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:43:00 -
[49] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:The final result of the suggestions in this and similar threads will be an OP Plasma Cannon, FOTM spammed and subsequently nerfed into the ground ala flaylocks, logi suits and free LAVs.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:50:00 -
[50] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:The final result of the suggestions in this and similar threads will be an OP Plasma Cannon, FOTM spammed and subsequently nerfed into the ground ala flaylocks, logi suits and free LAVs.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:55:00 -
[51] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:The final result of the suggestions in this and similar threads will be an OP Plasma Cannon, FOTM spammed and subsequently nerfed into the ground ala flaylocks, logi suits and free LAVs.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:35:00 -
[52] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
This thread, like most PLC buff/nerf/tweak threads, is a product of the unskilled and impatient individuals whose constant pissing and moaning about "issues" take the valuable limited resources of the dev and squander them initiating data analysis of perfectly fine stats when those resources could be instead working to find solutions to the long and well documented list of ever-present game bugs like wonky hit detection, the sprint glitch and laaaaaagggg.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1132
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Posted - 2014.09.20 18:27:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying.
even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets.
not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits.
increase projectile speed would be great though. Hit detection on anything with splash is odd. I use a MD and I could swear that some matches it doesn't have splash at all. Of course, it still scares the crap out of people because of the explosion so that helps.
That.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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