DUST Search - The Plasma Cannon needs something....

el OPERATOR wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use!

ie. I haven't actually put any real time into using a weapon or refined my techniques in the various situations I place myself into while using this weapon BUT the weapon is obviously lacking since I'm not finding the same immediate success I find with other weapons. Instead of practicing to GG I will start a QQ forum thread instead. <- CryHard behaviour, start to finish.

That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept.

ie. I'm a scrub at this. So far, I've figured out how to hit people up close who are standing still facing away from me. But other than that, this is hard!! Save me, CCP!! Carry meeeeeee.....!!!

The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range?

ie. Why isn't this as ez as my shotgun?? And why haven't I been able to figure out how to time and range my shots without practicing ??? Why can't this thing, with its excellent damage profile bonused against shields, just be my quickdraw I WIN button??? After all, if I were to really spend the time learning to use it I would know how to do it but I'm a scrub so I'll just cry on the forums instead and try to get some attention and get the parameters changed to better fit my failures insead of my successes.

So my proposal:

- Cry first, train later.Done. Solid Gold Scrubbrush trophy awarded.

- Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel) Carry me CCP!! I can't hit the broadside of a barn from 50m, the PLC is drunk not me!!!

- Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy)
[i] I already stated I'm a noobscrub at this, so I haven't actually spent the time to develop the PLAYER SKILL neccessary be worth a **** as AV with a PLC, but I have learned how to kill people with splash. Everything else must be broken and need to be fixed! CCP, Save Meh!! I'm terrible and you must save me from my own terribleness!!

I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me, what do you think?

This thread, like most PLC buff/nerf/tweak threads, is a product of the unskilled and impatient individuals whose constant pissing and moaning about "issues" take the valuable limited resources of the dev and squander them initiating data analysis of perfectly fine stats when those resources could be instead working to find solutions to the long and well documented list of ever-present game bugs like wonky hit detection, the sprint glitch and laaaaaagggg.

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CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1633	Posted - 2014.09.18 14:21:00 - [1] - Quote So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use! That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept. The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range? So my proposal: - Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel) - Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy) I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me, what do you think? -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3195	Posted - 2014.09.18 14:22:00 - [2] - Quote Middle way down the notes, my friend. CCP Rattati wrote: Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed I believe increasing the projectile speed would remove the need for more damage. Just my 0.02 ISK. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1633	Posted - 2014.09.18 14:25:00 - [3] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Middle way down the notes, my friend. CCP Rattati wrote: Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed Oh f**k me Rattati is the god damn man!! End Thread, I apologise for not paying enough attention. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 93	Posted - 2014.09.18 14:52:00 - [4] - Quote Make it one hit kill on ADS. If they get hit by a Plasma Cannon they deserve to die.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5701	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:02:00 - [5] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Make it one hit kill on ADS. If they get hit by a Plasma Cannon they deserve to die. I'd have created so much QQ by now if that was the case lol. Well that was spiffing!.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 95	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:04:00 - [6] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Make it one hit kill on ADS. If they get hit by a Plasma Cannon they deserve to die. I'd have created so much QQ by now if that was the case lol. Heavies even can side step the Plasma Cannon, ADS literally just have to gain slight altitude or drift slowly to the side and it will miss, if they are that low flying and slow they deserve to die.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:38:00 - [7] - Quote the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying. even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets. not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits. increase projectile speed would be great though.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3209	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:39:00 - [8] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying. even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets. not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits. increase projectile speed would be great though. Hit detection on anything with splash is odd. I use a MD and I could swear that some matches it doesn't have splash at all. Of course, it still scares the crap out of people because of the explosion so that helps. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 129	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:48:00 - [9] - Quote For av add proxies and or av nades. Shield tanks are really susceptible to this. Keep rockin that plc!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4468	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:49:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying. even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets. not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits. increase projectile speed would be great though. Hit detection on anything with splash is odd. I use a MD and I could swear that some matches it doesn't have splash at all. Of course, it still scares the crap out of people because of the explosion so that helps. Yep splash damage is glitchy, don't really know what it is but i suspect it has to do with the ground getting in the way of the damage radius. Shots from above are deadlyGÇª level ground I get a lot more zero damage. KRRROOOOOOM

Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1306	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:56:00 - [11] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: the hit detection on this thing is incosistent. just saying. even on flat surface, the splash damage sometimes refuses to register beyond 0.5m radius. I tested this on stationary targets. not to mention that projectile sometimes goes straight through dropsuits. increase projectile speed would be great though. Hit detection on anything with splash is odd. I use a MD and I could swear that some matches it doesn't have splash at all. Of course, it still scares the crap out of people because of the explosion so that helps. Splash weapons seem to suffer from terrain interfering with the splash in odd ways. Often an insignificant pebble will absorb a huge blast and protect an enemy entirely. This also seems to be compounded (obviously) by weapons with a compact blast but still occurs with even the AMD, which is maddening. I've also noticed some severe lag / data problems where these types of weapons will not fire a projectile. The animation goes through complete with sound but no round is fired nor damage dealt. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.09.18 20:59:00 - [12] - Quote PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish) The PLC is FINE. Its FINE against infantry. Its FINE against vehicles. Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it. It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them. Leave the PLC ALONE!! FIX the detection bugs. Leave the PLC ALONE!! Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2259	Posted - 2014.09.18 21:36:00 - [13] - Quote I'd like to see the projectile get adhesion to vehicles like AV grenades have. It would be based on vehicle speed. 0 adhesion on a stationary vehicle and significant adhesion for a fast moving vehicle. Best PvE idea ever!
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4124	Posted - 2014.09.18 21:41:00 - [14] - Quote It's needs one of those anime super beam charge up swirlies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1654	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:08:00 - [15] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish) The PLC is FINE. Its FINE against infantry. Its FINE against vehicles. Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it. It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them. Leave the PLC ALONE!! FIX the detection bugs. Leave the PLC ALONE!! Man If I am using this weapon then your precious elite mode is already ruined, MUHAHA! And its getting everything I think it needs in the form of increased projectile speed. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 321	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:24:00 - [16] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish) The PLC is FINE. Its FINE against infantry. Its FINE against vehicles. Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it. It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them. Leave the PLC ALONE!! FIX the detection bugs. Leave the PLC ALONE!! Man If I am using this weapon then your precious elite mode is already ruined, MUHAHA! And its getting everything I think it needs in the form of increased projectile speed. It isn't elite mode, its "Works better when not soaked from noobuser tears" mode. The day a "fix" drops for the PLC is the same day one of you PLC cryhards will post some QQ thread about how the PLC just needs "some little something else more". Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 184	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:36:00 - [17] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Middle way down the notes, my friend. CCP Rattati wrote: Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed I believe increasing the projectile speed would remove the need for more damage. Just my 0.02 ISK. I agree..doesn't need more dmg..poor tankers no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1655	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:40:00 - [18] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: PLC user since Murdertaxi514/MDnerf days (1.2 or 3ish) The PLC is FINE. Its FINE against infantry. Its FINE against vehicles. Quit qqing about it needing this tweak or that tweak and just frikin PRACTICE it. It is a SKILL SHOT weapon, like an Elephant Gun. It does super high 1shot damage, especially against shields. You crytards turn the PLC into ezmode and the field will be flooded even more by them. Leave the PLC ALONE!! FIX the detection bugs. Leave the PLC ALONE!! Man If I am using this weapon then your precious elite mode is already ruined, MUHAHA! And its getting everything I think it needs in the form of increased projectile speed. It isn't elite mode, its "Works better when not soaked from noobuser tears" mode. The day a "fix" drops for the PLC is the same day one of you PLC cryhards will post some QQ thread about how the PLC just needs "some little something else more". Well consider the vast majority of long time PLC users (and then newer users like myself) agree that projectile speed increase is enough, stop worrying. Hell I am, only saying that for AV alone is the only reason it needs faster speed, its great as is for anti infantry. Kinda sucks when vehicles can easily out run the projectile..... And what's with your emotive language? "PLC cryhards" who is crying? Stop acting like a baby. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 251	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:47:00 - [19] - Quote it's so slow that 80% of the time vehicles don't even mean to out run it
Yeeeuuuupppp Vengeance Unbound 595	Posted - 2014.09.19 00:52:00 - [20] - Quote I'd love for them to make a variant that can lock onto vehicles and is a guaranteed hit if the target didn't move under cover or out of line of sight. Like the javelin from battlefield or something. Still 1 shOt in a clip, capable of 1.3k damage, only available at level 4 or proficiency 1. "Removed for hurting my feelings" - CCP PSN: GMANCASH Rage Proficiency V

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2242	Posted - 2014.09.19 02:12:00 - [21] - Quote I'd love to see a variant that would lay down 'plasma mines', stationary balls of plasma fire with a half life of 30 seconds or so. Easy for infantry to avoid but great for building tank traps. PSN: RationalSpark
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 533	Posted - 2014.09.19 03:48:00 - [22] - Quote I once had a dream about Dust. The graphics were much better, and the only weapon that was changed was the Plasma Cannon. Rather than an arcing projectile, the cannons in my dream fired larger glowing orbs that bounced of a surface once and detonated after a certain period of time. Good lord were they utterly amazing... "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Michael Arck 5618	Posted - 2014.09.19 03:50:00 - [23] - Quote Don't give buff this guy's weapon of choice folks, I'm telling you! LOL! On a serious note, I do like the changes coming for the PLC. It's bout time it get some more love Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Vicious Minotaur 1137	Posted - 2014.09.19 04:08:00 - [24] - Quote The plasma cannon needs a multi-clip assault variant that acts like an anti-shield Mass Driver. Plus, a beastly AV breach variant. Otherwise, the coming projectile speed buff is fine. I am a minotaur.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2014.09.19 07:50:00 - [25] - Quote ok, to sum it up the community wants: slightly faster projectile speed fixed hit detection assault/breach variant did I forgot something?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1242	Posted - 2014.09.19 08:12:00 - [26] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: ok, to sum it up the community wants: slightly faster projectile speed fixed hit detection assault/breach variant did I forgot something? This game has went througfh enough FOTM that making the PLC a spam cannon is a risky choice But Rattati is doing a good job so I'll trust him for now and wait to try out the changes I do think too fast a projectile will add a RPG to Dust514, cool as that could be... NO If I wanted to run an RPG I would play a shooter that has one.. But Rattati is continuing with the changes so fingers crossed Variants - - Assault - Less DMG for direct and splash, either quick load/charge or a small clip - Breach - Instead of capping charge at the 1 second it is now, have an over charge function (ION Pistol) where if I charge for 2 secs = 1000 DMG, 5 secs = 2000 DMG and 10 secs = 3000 DMG (I am only suggesting numbers, it is the style of Breach I really want to see) I've posted this before and not got much interest but as a Plasma lover these two Variants would be ace The regular would be your Jack-Of-All-Trades, the Assault - Anti-Infantry, Breach - Serious AV But on the confirmed changes... I really hope the increase in speed is not OP Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.09.19 08:41:00 - [27] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: ok, to sum it up the community wants: slightly faster projectile speed fixed hit detection assault/breach variant did I forgot something? This game has went througfh enough FOTM that making the PLC a spam cannon is a risky choice But Rattati is doing a good job so I'll trust him for now and wait to try out the changes I do think too fast a projectile will add a RPG to Dust514, cool as that could be... NO If I wanted to run an RPG I would play a shooter that has one.. But Rattati is continuing with the changes so fingers crossed Variants - - Assault - Less DMG for direct and splash, either quick load/charge or a small clip - Breach - Instead of capping charge at the 1 second it is now, have an over charge function (ION Pistol) where if I charge for 2 secs = 1000 DMG, 5 secs = 2000 DMG and 10 secs = 3000 DMG (I am only suggesting numbers, it is the style of Breach I really want to see) I've posted this before and not got much interest but as a Plasma lover these two Variants would be ace The regular would be your Jack-Of-All-Trades, the Assault - Anti-Infantry, Breach - Serious AV But on the confirmed changes... I really hope the increase in speed is not OP I dont think a minor speed increase will make it a FOTM and btw a heavy can sidestep it if he isnt completely unaware.
G Felix Algintal Core Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.09.19 08:43:00 - [28] - Quote There are whole topics from over a year ago simply asking that the hit detection issues and the dud shot glitch be fixed. The PLC has always suffered from functional issues first and foremost. We can't claim to know how effective the weapon really is, as it has yet to really function without handicapping glitches.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 322	Posted - 2014.09.19 17:46:00 - [29] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use! ie. I haven't actually put any real time into using a weapon or refined my techniques in the various situations I place myself into while using this weapon BUT the weapon is obviously lacking since I'm not finding the same immediate success I find with other weapons. Instead of practicing to GG I will start a QQ forum thread instead. <- CryHard behaviour, start to finish. That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept. ie. I'm a scrub at this. So far, I've figured out how to hit people up close who are standing still facing away from me. But other than that, this is hard!! Save me, CCP!! Carry meeeeeee.....!!! The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range? ie. Why isn't this as ez as my shotgun?? And why haven't I been able to figure out how to time and range my shots without practicing ??? Why can't this thing, with its excellent damage profile bonused against shields, just be my quickdraw I WIN button??? After all, if I were to really spend the time learning to use it I would know how to do it but I'm a scrub so I'll just cry on the forums instead and try to get some attention and get the parameters changed to better fit my failures insead of my successes. So my proposal: - Cry first, train later.Done. Solid Gold Scrubbrush trophy awarded. - Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel) Carry me CCP!! I can't hit the broadside of a barn from 50m, the PLC is drunk not me!!! - Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy) I already stated I'm a noobscrub at this, so I haven't actually spent the time to develop the PLAYER SKILL neccessary be worth a ** as AV with a PLC, but I have learned how to kill people with splash. Everything else must be broken and need to be fixed! CCP, Save Meh!! I'm terrible and you must save me from my own terribleness!! I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me,** what do you think? This thread, like most PLC buff/nerf/tweak threads, is a product of the unskilled and impatient individuals whose constant pissing and moaning about "issues" take the valuable limited resources of the dev and squander them initiating data analysis of perfectly fine stats when those resources could be instead working to find solutions to the long and well documented list of ever-present game bugs like wonky hit detection, the sprint glitch and laaaaaagggg. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1672	Posted - 2014.09.19 17:53:00 - [30] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: So I'm new to the PLC but I loved it so much I just put about 2m sp into the weapon and its so much bloody fun and just awesome to use! ie. I haven't actually put any real time into using a weapon or refined my techniques in the various situations I place myself into while using this weapon BUT the weapon is obviously lacking since I'm not finding the same immediate success I find with other weapons. Instead of practicing to GG I will start a QQ forum thread instead. <- CryHard behaviour, start to finish. That being said, while it rewards skilled / lucky shots against soft infantry targets it severely lacks in the AV dept. ie. I'm a scrub at this. So far, I've figured out how to hit people up close who are standing still facing away from me. But other than that, this is hard!! Save me, CCP!! Carry meeeeeee.....!!! The projectile flight speed is just too slow. The only reason I can see the speed being as slow as it is - is a balancing feature in terms of viable range? ie. Why isn't this as ez as my shotgun?? And why haven't I been able to figure out how to time and range my shots without practicing ??? Why can't this thing, with its excellent damage profile bonused against shields, just be my quickdraw I WIN button??? After all, if I were to really spend the time learning to use it I would know how to do it but I'm a scrub so I'll just cry on the forums instead and try to get some attention and get the parameters changed to better fit my failures insead of my successes. So my proposal: - Cry first, train later.Done. Solid Gold Scrubbrush trophy awarded. - Increase PLC projectile speed somewhat, I couldn't give you a number but it needs to be faster. (This is the main issue I feel) Carry me CCP!! I can't hit the broadside of a barn from 50m, the PLC is drunk not me!!! - Increase direct damage a bit so it can actually do something to vehicles. (Splash is fine as is, dont reward inaccuracy) [i] I already stated I'm a noobscrub at this, so I haven't actually spent the time to develop the PLAYER SKILL neccessary be worth a ** as AV with a PLC, but I have learned how to kill people with splash. Everything else must be broken and need to be fixed! CCP, Save Meh!! I'm terrible and you must save me from my own terribleness!! I know there are some of you out there much more versed in the ways of the PLC than me, what do you think? This thread, like most PLC buff/nerf/tweak threads, is a product of the unskilled and impatient individuals whose constant pissing and moaning about "issues" take the valuable limited resources of the dev and squander them initiating data analysis of perfectly fine stats when those resources could be instead working to find solutions to the long and well documented list of ever-present game bugs like wonky hit detection, the sprint glitch and laaaaaagggg. Oh wow man you really are something special aren't you. I've put nearly 3m sp into this weapon. Yes I admit that I have only been using it for about a week and after my initial proposal I have clearly said that the projectile speed buff is fine. You know you can say all of this st, the fact is it is part of this game and it is barely used by most. How do you think CCP feel about that? There are many names I wish to call you but I am going to hold back and not stoop to your level of name calling. Ask anyone who has seen me using this recently if you think I am only using this to kill stationary targets. LOL. I came here to discuss, if you disagree that's fine but the way you are approaching this sounds like you are the one with the issue here. My goodness some people..... -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!



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