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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:22:00 -
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Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY
[[LogiBro in Training]]
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What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:24:00 -
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:27:00 -
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Even after the assault buff I'm still not seeing too many reasons to be an assault over a scout.
I use a Caldari assault dropsuit simply because I like reloading my RR in 0.01 seconds...
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:48:00 -
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yes yes i have been to your thread about how OP scouts are and there is literally still no real reason to be an Assault over a scout
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
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Posted - 2014.09.11 21:18:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY
When I scanned this post I expected to see it dated from back in April.
Brick tanked scouts are not a thing anymore, especially since Alpha changed the sprinting penalty on armor plates.
I never, never, see scouts armor tanking anymore. Ever. What game are you playing?
This is a troll post plain and simple and I am tired of the belly aching.
Don't like it? Get gone and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And that right quick.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2726
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Posted - 2014.09.11 21:25:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY When I scanned this post I expected to see it dated from back in April. Brick tanked scouts are not a thing anymore, especially since Alpha changed the sprinting penalty on armor plates. I never, never, see scouts armor tanking anymore. Ever. What game are you playing? This is a troll post plain and simple and I am tired of the belly aching. Don't like it? Get gone and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And that right quick.
Za'ki doesn't realize that it's not the armor. it's most scouts have figured out that their hitboxes are tiny and can strafe through oncoming gunfire like ballerinas dodging 500 Lb fat men. So no, bricktanking isn't a thing. |
RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
337
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Posted - 2014.09.11 21:40:00 -
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Numbers and everything bro.
Hello, world!
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
967
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Posted - 2014.09.11 21:58:00 -
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My scout has almost 100% taken the place of the logistics role as well. It is simply better at nearly every role in this game and that needs to be stopped. |
Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:22:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:My scout has almost 100% taken the place of the logistics role as well. It is simply better at nearly every role in this game and that needs to be stopped. if scout had 3 equip slots it would be better then assault(as it is now) AND logi.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:22:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY When I scanned this post I expected to see it dated from back in April. Brick tanked scouts are not a thing anymore, especially since Alpha changed the sprinting penalty on armor plates. I never, never, see scouts armor tanking anymore. Ever. What game are you playing? This is a troll post plain and simple and I am tired of the belly aching. Don't like it? Get gone and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And that right quick. Za'ki doesn't realize that it's not the armor. it's most scouts have figured out that their hitboxes are tiny and can strafe through oncoming gunfire like ballerinas dodging 500 Lb fat men. So no, bricktanking isn't a thing. it is.. peopel have sait that amarr couts were/could run around with 1k eHP and a proto CR
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
301
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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:53:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Even after the assault buff I'm still not seeing too many reasons to be an assault over a scout.
I use a Caldari assault dropsuit simply because I like reloading my RR in 0.01 seconds... You can whip out swarms fast enought to make ships run for cover, too...right up till they realize they are militia swarms & come for your a$$
Sick of scout QQ. I run at 305 ehp, die when most things sneeze at me, spend most my time planning attacks over attacking, then hear about how OP i am.
Adapt & overcome, b*itches.
Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
244
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Posted - 2014.09.12 00:58:00 -
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2Berries wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Even after the assault buff I'm still not seeing too many reasons to be an assault over a scout.
I use a Caldari assault dropsuit simply because I like reloading my RR in 0.01 seconds... You can whip out swarms fast enought to make ships run for cover, too...right up till they realize they are militia swarms & come for your a$$ Sick of scout QQ. I run at 305 ehp, die when most things sneeze at me, spend most my time planning attacks over attacking, then hear about how OP i am. Adapt & overcome, b*itches. What is you doin' sun? My scout has 500 ehp sun.. YOu gots ta run da fotm sun How is you gonna win da game like dat sun... I'm making 200k isk per match wit out dynnin sun, how is u gonna tell me da scout aint OP when I just strafe through ya bullets sun. My invisi shot gun and 500 hp suit goin get u sun. ya gonna learn rite deerr how op my scout is sun. how is you goin insultin' my suit sun? Scout OP is da beast
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
216
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Posted - 2014.09.12 01:23:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY
Scouts are OP yes because of cloaks and also that regen. I'v seen caldari scouts with more hp than my min assualt and it's not fair for a scout being an assault type. I could choose my min assualt or my gallente scout as an assualt, but I succeed more using my gallente scout. Why? better regen, decent ehp, cloak, and that damp. Scouts can also be used as a logi too. So overall, scouts can be scouts, assualt or even logis.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3560
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Posted - 2014.09.12 01:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Even after the assault buff I'm still not seeing too many reasons to be an assault over a scout.
I use a Caldari assault dropsuit simply because I like reloading my RR in 0.01 seconds... I have always ran assault. I agree it's still out shined by scouts and heavies, and heavies with light weapons like wtf?
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.12 01:41:00 -
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2Berries wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Even after the assault buff I'm still not seeing too many reasons to be an assault over a scout.
I use a Caldari assault dropsuit simply because I like reloading my RR in 0.01 seconds... You can whip out swarms fast enought to make ships run for cover, too...right up till they realize they are militia swarms & come for your a$$ Sick of scout QQ. I run at 305 ehp, die when most things sneeze at me, spend most my time planning attacks over attacking, then hear about how OP i am. Adapt & overcome, b*itches. Most scouts are tanked scouts so a fix to that would have no effect on scouts like you.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2396
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Posted - 2014.09.12 01:51:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY Scouts are OP yes because of cloaks and also that regen. I'v seen caldari scouts with more hp than my min assualt and it's not fair for a scout being an assault type. I could choose my min assualt or my gallente scout as an assualt, but I succeed more using my gallente scout. Why? better regen, decent ehp, cloak, and that damp. Scouts can also be used as a logi too. So overall, scouts can be scouts, assualt or even logis.
Are you on crack or all of you so far stuck on "MEMEMEMEMEME" mode. Look at the big picture.
No a scout can't pack on more health then an assault... A Minmatar scout vs a Minmatar Assault... Not a Minmatar Assault vs a useless fitted brick tanked caldari scout that couldn't really accomplish anything...
You take any of the four races a Minmatar Scout vs a Minmatar Assault, Caldari.... Galente... You name it.. Put them in a field and have them duel... The Assault will win every time... They have more health and more damage.
You Put lame players in a match, Give them a pile of SP and what they think is the strongest Fitting ever that should be able to kill anything that exists in DUST and has no counter.... And then put that player in a match and anything that kills them is either Hacks, Lag, FOTM, OP or Sadly CCP's Aim Assist.
Summary : It's not the OP or FOTM make believe you guys keep telling yourself, It's your ability to play the game to advantage what your using. |
Zindorak
1.U.P
898
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Posted - 2014.09.12 01:53:00 -
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No don't nerf scouts im on the road to level 4 gal scout and im half way there. also how do people get brick tanking in with Ewar and cloak?
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
244
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:05:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY Scouts are OP yes because of cloaks and also that regen. I'v seen caldari scouts with more hp than my min assualt and it's not fair for a scout being an assault type. I could choose my min assualt or my gallente scout as an assualt, but I succeed more using my gallente scout. Why? better regen, decent ehp, cloak, and that damp. Scouts can also be used as a logi too. So overall, scouts can be scouts, assualt or even logis. Are you on crack or all of you so far stuck on "MEMEMEMEMEME" mode. Look at the big picture. No a scout can't pack on more health then an assault... A Minmatar scout vs a Minmatar Assault... Not a Minmatar Assault vs a useless fitted brick tanked caldari scout that couldn't really accomplish anything... You take any of the four races a Minmatar Scout vs a Minmatar Assault, Caldari.... Galente... You name it.. Put them in a field and have them duel... The Assault will win every time... They have more health and more damage. You Put lame players in a match, Give them a pile of SP and what they think is the strongest Fitting ever that should be able to kill anything that exists in DUST and has no counter.... And then put that player in a match and anything that kills them is either Hacks, Lag, FOTM, OP or Sadly CCP's Aim Assist. Summary : It's not the OP or FOTM make believe you guys keep telling yourself, It's your ability to play the game to advantage what your using. (someone's a scout fufufu) Listen I understand that when you have something that's OP you don't want it changed because lol I am gud player. But let's stop for a second and think, "hmmm can my scout suit do the same role as an assault, or a logi, at almost morbidly equal or greater level than the latter?"
It's not that scouts are strong at what they do that makes them OP it's that they can do their role and then move to any other role they want without any sacrifice or risk to their suit. If a logi runs like an assault suit they can't switch to sidearms when they run out of ammo on their weapon, unless you're an Amarr logi, but the detriment is that the movement speed is very low. If you're an assault you can run logi but you're limited to one equipment. If you're a heavy you can run a light weapon, but your so slow that you need greater damage output for your HP to mean anything.
If you're a scout and you wanna run like an assault... well you run like an assault . If you're a scout and you wanna act like a logi... uhmm you put on equipment like a logi.
This is where the issue is, it's not that scouts are good at killing, but it is.
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2313
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:06:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY When I scanned this post I expected to see it dated from back in April. Brick tanked scouts are not a thing anymore, especially since Alpha changed the sprinting penalty on armor plates. I never, never, see scouts armor tanking anymore. Ever. What game are you playing? This is a troll post plain and simple and I am tired of the belly aching. Don't like it? Get gone and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And that right quick. Za'ki doesn't realize that it's not the armor. it's most scouts have figured out that their hitboxes are tiny and can strafe through oncoming gunfire like ballerinas dodging 500 Lb fat men. So no, bricktanking isn't a thing. And that most (read: all pubbies like the OP) can't aim for ****
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2313
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:07:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:No don't nerf scouts im on the road to level 4 gal scout and im half way there. also how do people get brick tanking in with Ewar and cloak? They don't. The OP is a scrub
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
244
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:09:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:No don't nerf scouts im on the road to level 4 gal scout and im half way there. also how do people get brick tanking in with Ewar and cloak? 1-2 complex/enhanced shield extenders, 1-precision enhancers(2 if you have enough armor tanked), 2 complex profile damps, and 1 of whatever kind of plates you want(if proto 2), a cloak if you feel like it, and remotes. Beyond that it's all personal preference...
Edit: you get enough passive e-war to not have to run damps or precision in pubs at lvl 5 gal scout. So beyond that just tank, and kin cats if you want...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2314
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:18:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:deezy dabest wrote:My scout has almost 100% taken the place of the logistics role as well. It is simply better at nearly every role in this game and that needs to be stopped. if scout had 3 equip slots it would be better then assault(as it is now) AND logi. It isn't better than assault
You get smoked every time in a straight up fight with any assault worth his salt
We can only carry two EQ and get no efficacy bonuses to any at all so we don't outshine Logi's
This butt hurt QQ STREAM that is caused by running pubs full of terribads like yourself against organized squads of people are killing these forums. Its not even possible to argue or reason with 7 QQ Threads per Hour.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2314
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:19:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Zindorak wrote:No don't nerf scouts im on the road to level 4 gal scout and im half way there. also how do people get brick tanking in with Ewar and cloak? 1-2 complex/enhanced shield extenders, 1-precision enhancers(2 if you have enough armor tanked), 2 complex profile damps, and 1 of whatever kind of plates you want(if proto 2), a cloak if you feel like it, and remotes. Beyond that it's all personal preference... Edit: you get enough passive e-war to not have to run damps or precision in pubs at lvl 5 gal scout. So beyond that just tank, and kin cats if you want... Wrong.
1x damp for pubs, with 2x kincats+ferro 1x precision, 1x shield
You're golden
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
244
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:20:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:deezy dabest wrote:My scout has almost 100% taken the place of the logistics role as well. It is simply better at nearly every role in this game and that needs to be stopped. if scout had 3 equip slots it would be better then assault(as it is now) AND logi. It isn't better than assault You get smoked every time in a straight up fight with any assault worth his salt We can only carry two EQ and get no efficacy bonuses to any at all so we don't outshine Logi's This butt hurt QQ STREAM that is caused by running pubs full of terribads like yourself against organized squads of people are killing these forums. Its not even possible to argue or reason with 7 QQ Threads per Hour. C'mon man scout to scout, you know scouts are too good for their own good, don't deny it man.
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
244
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:23:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Zindorak wrote:No don't nerf scouts im on the road to level 4 gal scout and im half way there. also how do people get brick tanking in with Ewar and cloak? 1-2 complex/enhanced shield extenders, 1-precision enhancers(2 if you have enough armor tanked), 2 complex profile damps, and 1 of whatever kind of plates you want(if proto 2), a cloak if you feel like it, and remotes. Beyond that it's all personal preference... Edit: you get enough passive e-war to not have to run damps or precision in pubs at lvl 5 gal scout. So beyond that just tank, and kin cats if you want... Wrong. 1x damp for pubs, with 2x kincats+ferro 1x precision, 1x shield You're golden (why do I need to dampen when blueberries don't run E-war, and I would have at 500 ehp anyway.) If I am caught strip the shields with a flux/scrambler pistol, finish with an adv. ACR and strafe like crazy pretty simple...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3121
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:28:00 -
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The ONLY issue I have with scouts is the insane ability to de-cloak and fire practically before if not before your cloak comes down, I've hit cloaked scouts in CQC with CR bursts just to get insta-killed by a shotgun after my shot connects. Add a delay that allows for a chance to react to the cloak and gets rid of their ability to lay out 1000+ DPS before you can react. Once a delay say 2 seconds is added boom problem solved. The only problem I have with scout vs assaults when I 1v1 scouts in my assault is them shooting me from behind otherwise I generally win, while they should reserve the right to flank they shouldn't be able to cloak in a corner and instantly start firing.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
2382
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:29:00 -
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I'd say make cloaks a sidearm so they're limited to a single weapon. It opens up an equipment slot, sure, but that's better imho. They'd have to take the brunt of an unbonused reload time, which could give the edge to an assault or commando who reload a second faster.
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2399
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Posted - 2014.09.12 06:10:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Bethhy wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Scouts are OP
useing Rifles bricked out to near 1000 ehp and some get like 500-600 ARMOR with a cloak.. its stupid.. they are still more powerful then Assaults if you take into account they are faster smaller hitbox faster shield regen and basically immune to passive scanning and advanced actives
What you gonna do about it? cause you already nerfed sents, you refuse to buff commando and logi.. you are just bending over the the FOTM or should i say FOTY Scouts are OP yes because of cloaks and also that regen. I'v seen caldari scouts with more hp than my min assualt and it's not fair for a scout being an assault type. I could choose my min assualt or my gallente scout as an assualt, but I succeed more using my gallente scout. Why? better regen, decent ehp, cloak, and that damp. Scouts can also be used as a logi too. So overall, scouts can be scouts, assualt or even logis. Are you on crack or all of you so far stuck on "MEMEMEMEMEME" mode. Look at the big picture. No a scout can't pack on more health then an assault... A Minmatar scout vs a Minmatar Assault... Not a Minmatar Assault vs a useless fitted brick tanked caldari scout that couldn't really accomplish anything... You take any of the four races a Minmatar Scout vs a Minmatar Assault, Caldari.... Galente... You name it.. Put them in a field and have them duel... The Assault will win every time... They have more health and more damage. You Put lame players in a match, Give them a pile of SP and what they think is the strongest Fitting ever that should be able to kill anything that exists in DUST and has no counter.... And then put that player in a match and anything that kills them is either Hacks, Lag, FOTM, OP or Sadly CCP's Aim Assist. Summary : It's not the OP or FOTM make believe you guys keep telling yourself, It's your ability to play the game to advantage what your using. (someone's a scout fufufu) Listen I understand that when you have something that's OP you don't want it changed because lol I am gud player. But let's stop for a second and think, "hmmm can my scout suit do the same role as an assault, or a logi, at almost morbidly equal or greater level than the latter?" It's not that scouts are strong at what they do that makes them OP it's that they can do their role and then move to any other role they want without any sacrifice or risk to their suit. If a logi runs like an assault suit they can't switch to sidearms when they run out of ammo on their weapon, unless you're an Amarr logi, but the detriment is that the movement speed is very low. If you're an assault you can run logi but you're limited to one equipment. If you're a heavy you can run a light weapon, but your so slow that you need greater damage output for your HP to mean anything. If you're a scout and you wanna run like an assault... well you run like an assault . If you're a scout and you wanna act like a logi... uhmm you put on equipment like a logi. This is where the issue is, it's not that scouts are good at killing, but it is.
Your obviously new here... So I get that you think that someone is just a scout. I However am over 48 million skill points, i kinda am everything?
I have 5 alts.. each going from 12-28m Skill points. I have played and can play anything this game has had to offer. I Have played this game since Open beta actively and played scarcely in Closed beta as the game gave me a headache then. The head bobbing!
I have been around in this game...
And no.. No scout suit can be a logi better then a logi... Period... I play every logi suit and it doesn't even come close.
No, no scout suit can match the damage abilities, and versatility of a Commando or an Assault.. Math and numbers just say so, playing the game from both roles tells you this just the same.
I hope you aren't saying scouts can be better heavies?
Scouts have one advantage, that, is the ONLY thing that gets people offended and have them thinking they are OP. Prefire. They can track targets through walls and buildings and kill you like you have rarely ever felt in any other multiplayer shooters out there... It annoys people..
Cloak is fine, and probably the most balanced representation of a cloak ever used in multiplayer shooter games to date...
If the Tac-net worked so that you blipped peoples "Dots" on the radar with your advanced scanning instead of having god-mode vision... Then lets you highlight targets that you have had direct eye contact with for a cooldown period... There would be fair and balanced play.
That just won't happen for reasons known, we warned CCP when they introduced the tac-net upgrades and active scanners in dev-blogs, that they would be opening a can of worms with balanced play and how wall-hacks are not the answer for scannng.
At one time the Radar showed every player.. it was like a giant chess match in which everyone could see the pieces.. flanking took skill and was fun.
P.S. Regardless if you see this suit or that suit strong. The Nerf cycle has to stop. This energy needs to be focused on buffing something to compete or create a counter to something that doesn't exist. Not nerfing, it makes no sense.. again in that big picture we where talking about in the very beginning. |
gustavo acosta
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Bethhy wrote:gustavo acosta wrote: (someone's a scout fufufu) Listen I understand that when you have something that's OP you don't want it changed because lol I am gud player. But let's stop for a second and think, "hmmm can my scout suit do the same role as an assault, or a logi, at almost morbidly equal or greater level than the latter?"
It's not that scouts are strong at what they do that makes them OP it's that they can do their role and then move to any other role they want without any sacrifice or risk to their suit. If a logi runs like an assault suit they can't switch to sidearms when they run out of ammo on their weapon, unless you're an Amarr logi, but the detriment is that the movement speed is very low. If you're an assault you can run logi but you're limited to one equipment. If you're a heavy you can run a light weapon, but your so slow that you need greater damage output for your HP to mean anything.
If you're a scout and you wanna run like an assault... well you run like an assault . If you're a scout and you wanna act like a logi... uhmm you put on equipment like a logi.
This is where the issue is, it's not that scouts are good at killing, but it is.
Your obviously new here... So I get that you think that someone is just a scout. I However am over 48 million skill points, i kinda am everything? I have 5 alts.. each going from 12-28m Skill points. I have played and can play anything this game has had to offer. I Have played this game since Open beta actively and played scarcely in Closed beta as the game gave me a headache then. The head bobbing! I have been around in this game... And no.. No scout suit can be a logi better then a logi... Period... I play every logi suit and it doesn't even come close. No, no scout suit can match the damage abilities, and versatility of a Commando or an Assault.. Math and numbers just say so, playing the game from both roles tells you this just the same. I hope you aren't saying scouts can be better heavies? Scouts have one advantage, that, is the ONLY thing that gets people offended and have them thinking they are OP. Prefire. They can track targets through walls and buildings and kill you like you have rarely ever felt in any other multiplayer shooters out there... It annoys people.. Cloak is fine, and probably the most balanced representation of a cloak ever used in multiplayer shooter games to date... If the Tac-net worked so that you blipped peoples "Dots" on the radar with your advanced scanning instead of having god-mode vision... Then lets you highlight targets that you have had direct eye contact with for a cooldown period... There would be fair and balanced play. That just won't happen for reasons known, we warned CCP when they introduced the tac-net upgrades and active scanners in dev-blogs, that they would be opening a can of worms with balanced play and how wall-hacks are not the answer for scannng. At one time the Radar showed every player.. it was like a giant chess match in which everyone could see the pieces.. flanking took skill and was fun. P.S. Regardless if you see this suit or that suit strong. The Nerf cycle has to stop. This energy needs to be focused on buffing something to compete or create a counter to something that doesn't exist. Not nerfing, it makes no sense.. again in that big picture we where talking about in the very beginning. The nerf/buff cycle should continue because without it this game would be very similar to COD as in everyone would die in less than a second regardless of the suit they're wearing. And continously creating new and better counters for everything isn't gonna happen, maybe when legion comes out.
Just because you apparently play every role in the game doesn't mean you understand how to balance the game, it just means you're biased towards every suit and being biased is never good when talking about balance. I get that E-war should be toned down and everything, but that's only a part of what makes the scout suit OP. (I have near 37 million sp on this account not counting my alts)
With a scout I don't have to worry about regen,shield delay from stacking, speed, or being seen by the enemy(at least for gal/ cal scouts with maxed out E-war). That would be all fine and dandy if they had to sacrifice something, that couldn't be returned by simply stacking armor/shield modules. As a Proto-Gallente Assault and Scout I can honestly say my scout suit has more killing potential than my assault ever has.
I don't see why you're so defensive about changing scouts so that they're at the same level as every other suit in this game. Say if all scouts suit got for their bonus was efficiency to E-war modules rather than just passive invisibility/infinite vision, that would be much better because then players would HAVE to add E-war mods to get the benefit of their bonus.
Just like assaults only get the benefit of their racial bonus for using their racial weapons and logis get the benefit by running equipment.
That way if I get shotgunned in the back by an invisi-scout I know it's not because he had the cloak(the cloak by it self is garbage) but because he sacrificed low/high slots to try and remain hidden from the team.
Also for how much eHP a scout should have they shouldn't need such a high amount of shield regen, especially not in such a short amount of time...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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Zindorak
1.U.P
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Posted - 2014.09.12 23:12:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Zindorak wrote:No don't nerf scouts im on the road to level 4 gal scout and im half way there. also how do people get brick tanking in with Ewar and cloak? They don't. The OP is a scrub *sees the OP name* Oh yea hes a scrub
Pokemon master!
I suck at Tekken lol
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