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Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 495	Posted - 2014.09.11 17:20:00 - [1] - Quote The reason being that, post Delta, the non-assault variant will be very much a mid-to-mid-long range TAC rifle, what with the proposed changes to ROF and hip fire dispersion. Changes, I hasten to add, I thoroughly agree with. It's just that I like to run as much Amarr tech as possible on my suits to get the most out of the racial bonuses and I don't want to have to fork out and then struggle to fit the advanced tier assault variants just to stay relatively competitive in CQC situations. It's also a tremendously fun weapon to use. After spending so much time and concentration on lining up charged head shots spray n pray lazor beamz can be a nice change of pace. I can't see why they shouldn't be on the standard tier, but would be interested to hear others' thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 452	Posted - 2014.09.11 17:25:00 - [2] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: The reason being that, post Delta, the non-assault variant will be very much a mid-to-mid-long range TAC rifle, what with the proposed changes to ROF and hip fire dispersion. Changes, I hasten to add, I thoroughly agree with. It's just that I like to run as much Amarr tech as possible on my suits to get the most out of the racial bonuses and I don't want to have to fork out and then struggle to fit the advanced tier assault variants just to stay relatively competitive in CQC situations. It's also a tremendously fun weapon to use. After spending so much time and concentration on lining up charged head shots spray n pray lazor beamz can be a nice change of pace. I can't see why they shouldn't be on the standard tier, but would be interested to hear others' thoughts on the matter. Thanks. I'm not sure, I'd like to be able to run a cheap Tac AR myself... But it seems a bit cheesy & takes away a bonus for people that spec just a few points into a weapon type.
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 496	Posted - 2014.09.11 17:29:00 - [3] - Quote True, but he precedent has already been set within other weapon types, most notably the AR. The key thing to remember is that the ascr is not inherently more powerful than its TAC cousin, indeed, on paper, it has lower DPS and suffers from burning through ammo quite rapidly. It just offers another style of play to the laser enthusiast. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1179	Posted - 2014.09.11 17:59:00 - [4] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: [quote=Kierkegaard Soren] It seems a bit cheesy & takes away a bonus for people that spec just a few points into a weapon type. Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 497	Posted - 2014.09.11 18:05:00 - [5] - Quote The balancing factor to that problem is that people who drop two points I to the operational skill and then spray the assault with complete abandon will be quickly be scouring the market for heat resistant hands. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 501	Posted - 2014.09.11 18:31:00 - [6] - Quote Don't you guys find that the AScR has to much dispersion, such that it negates much of its 8800m effective range? And it's already limited by its damage profile.
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 497	Posted - 2014.09.11 18:35:00 - [7] - Quote Dispersion feels fine to me; if anything, it's the muzzle flash that puts me off of my aim. Less of that would be welcome. And the damage profile is offset by a decent damage per shot and the highest base ammo count of all the AR-types (I think). Which is not to say I think it's amazing; it's already been recently revealed to be the poorest-performing weapon variant, which is why it might be receiving a minor buff in Delta. Whatever they do, I still would like them to open out the range of weapon types that us laser lovers have access to. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Atiim 12055	Posted - 2014.09.11 18:40:00 - [8] - Quote Variants of other weapons should be included on the STD at the same time. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1134	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:55:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Variants of other weapons should be included on the STD at the same time. AcR? OP access so early? But i agree if it's about the PR. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 500	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:59:00 - [10] - Quote AcR is getting nerfed by all accounts, so perhaps it won't be such an issue. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.

Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 202	Posted - 2014.09.12 04:54:00 - [11] - Quote Standard assault scrambler only if everyone else can get their assault variants early as well. A standard ACR for me.......OK! 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2123	Posted - 2014.09.12 11:32:00 - [12] - Quote Meee One wrote: Atiim wrote: Variants of other weapons should be included on the STD at the same time. AcR? OP access so early? But i agree if it's about the PR. All or none, though I am fairly sure that something like this might require a client update (which means we will not be getting it anytime soon). If it doesn't require a client update and is something that can be done fairly simply (copy-pasting code, changing names, tweaking values) then yes, I would fully support every version of every weapon at every tier (make the non-basic ones at standard require XXXXXXXXXX Operation 2) "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Atiim 12089	Posted - 2014.09.12 11:59:00 - [13] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: All or none, though I am fairly sure that something like this might require a client update (which means we will not be getting it anytime soon). If it doesn't require a client update and is something that can be done fairly simply (copy-pasting code, changing names, tweaking values) then yes, I would fully support every version of every weapon at every tier (make the non-basic ones at standard require XXXXXXXXXX Operation 2) CCP stated that they're capable of making new weapons from existing models, and as such this wouldn't require a client update. An easy example, is how they added in MLT CRs, RRs, and SCRs in HF Bravo. Meee One wrote: AcR? OP access so early? But i agree if it's about the PR. Your bias and inability to present arguments objectively really hampers your credibility. Just because you feel a weapon is imbalanced, doesn't change the fact that their variant(s) should have a STD tier. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:13:00 - [14] - Quote There is a STD breach assault rifle,, there should then be a STD assault rail rifle, assault scrambler rifle, assault combat rifle, tac assault rifle, burst assault rifle.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4226	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:10:00 - [15] - Quote I would like to see a Standard Assault Combat Rifle, as I would like to be able to setup a Standard Min Commando fit. I get joint pain after two matches if I try to use a semiautomatic rifle, due to the rapid finger movements required. (I am getting old. ) The Rifles are balanced at the Proto level. To get the damage values for the Standard Assault Combat Rifle and Standard Assault Scrambler Rifle all you would have to do is shift the graph to match up on the Standard Rifles we have now, then the position of the Assault Combat and Assault Scrambler Rifles on the graph will tell you what their DPS should be. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
The Eristic Dust 90210 646	Posted - 2014.09.12 19:36:00 - [16] - Quote 100% behind ALL variants at Operation II. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
maluble Espi0nage 64	Posted - 2014.09.12 21:15:00 - [17] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: The reason being that, post Delta, the non-assault variant will be very much a mid-to-mid-long range TAC rifle, what with the proposed changes to ROF and hip fire dispersion. Changes, I hasten to add, I thoroughly agree with. It's just that I like to run as much Amarr tech as possible on my suits to get the most out of the racial bonuses and I don't want to have to fork out and then struggle to fit the advanced tier assault variants just to stay relatively competitive in CQC situations. It's also a tremendously fun weapon to use. After spending so much time and concentration on lining up charged head shots spray n pray lazor beamz can be a nice change of pace. I can't see why they shouldn't be on the standard tier, but would be interested to hear others' thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Assault varients are supposed to be lvl 4.
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 504	Posted - 2014.09.13 06:33:00 - [18] - Quote Perhaps? But breach variants are available at 2 and the scram assault pistol is also available at 2 or 3 (I forget), so really I can see no inherent reason as to why weapon variants can't be opened up to newer players. For me, I want to see a choice to invest in a weapon type to offer plenty of opportunities for different styles of play, so that new players won't necessarily have to spec into CR if they want to CQC effectively when really they enjoy the feel of rail tech the most. I want all weapon types to offer an assault, a breach, a tac and a burst, and from there we balance which type is naturally strongest at each of those play styles. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 268	Posted - 2014.09.13 12:45:00 - [19] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: The reason being that, post Delta, the non-assault variant will be very much a mid-to-mid-long range TAC rifle, what with the proposed changes to ROF and hip fire dispersion. Changes, I hasten to add, I thoroughly agree with. It's just that I like to run as much Amarr tech as possible on my suits to get the most out of the racial bonuses and I don't want to have to fork out and then struggle to fit the advanced tier assault variants just to stay relatively competitive in CQC situations. It's also a tremendously fun weapon to use. After spending so much time and concentration on lining up charged head shots spray n pray lazor beamz can be a nice change of pace. I can't see why they shouldn't be on the standard tier, but would be interested to hear others' thoughts on the matter. Thanks. As far as I'm aware, there are no tier 1 'variants' of any weapons so, sit down, be quite, HTFU, if you wana use advanced gear pay the cpu/pg cost.
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 505	Posted - 2014.09.13 14:53:00 - [20] - Quote No thank you, fukcwit. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.

Atiim 12846	Posted - 2014.10.09 22:50:00 - [21] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: As far as I'm aware, there are no tier 1 'variants' of any weapons so, sit down, be quite, HTFU, if you wana use advanced gear pay the cpu/pg cost. Breach Forge Gun Breach Mass Driver Breach Sub-Machine Gun Assault Scrambler Pistol Assault Swarm Launcher Assault Heavy Machine Gun Tactical Sniper Rifle Sleek Locus Grenade The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4762	Posted - 2014.10.09 22:54:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: As far as I'm aware, there are no tier 1 'variants' of any weapons so, sit down, be quite, HTFU, if you wana use advanced gear pay the cpu/pg cost. Breach Forge Gun Breach Mass Driver Breach Sub-Machine Gun Assault Scrambler Pistol Assault Swarm Launcher Assault Heavy Machine Gun Tactical Sniper Rifle Sleek Locus Grenade Breach Flaylock Nobody remembers my baby KRRROOOOOOM
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 163	Posted - 2014.10.10 03:00:00 - [23] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Atiim wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: As far as I'm aware, there are no tier 1 'variants' of any weapons so, sit down, be quite, HTFU, if you wana use advanced gear pay the cpu/pg cost. Breach Forge Gun Breach Mass Driver Breach Sub-Machine Gun Assault Scrambler Pistol Assault Swarm Launcher Assault Heavy Machine Gun Tactical Sniper Rifle Sleek Locus Grenade Breach Flaylock Nobody remembers my baby I remember her. How could I ever forget the beautiful ragdoll it made when I shot that poor gallente light frame in the chest as he came around the corner feeling all badass with his shotgun. After that I fell in love with the flaylock. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation


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