DUST Search - The Cause of pubstomps?

J4yne C0bb wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

J4yne C0bb wrote:

Black SlaverX wrote:

Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches?

I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp.

Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same.

Here's the point: If we were all in militia gear, and Nyain was still stomping the crap out of everybody, it wouldn't make me want to quit playing. It would make me want to get gud.

What CCP has utterly, completely failed to understand is that there is a difference between getting 'outplayed', and getting 'outgeared'. Getting outplayed with smart tactics makes players want to improve their own game. Getting outgeared, aka protostomped, makes people ragequit, never to play again, and that is because they recognize no matter how much practice you put in, it's probably futile.

This is the biggest difference between the playerbase now and the playerbase during beta. People tried to figure out how to beat the people that beat them instead of trying to get the variety and force multipliers in Dust nerfed.

True, but during beta (at least open beta, I never played closed), SP accrual was accelerated so that people could get into gear quicker. After the big reset, the speed of SP accrual got dialed back, so it's harder to get into the gear you need to face the big protostomping squads, unless you no-life Dust for a bit. And plus, it was beta, so there was more tolerance of this kind of B.S.

I've been thinking lately that the simplest solution to the problem of protostomping is simply a substantial increase in payouts, enough so that everybody can run whatever level of gear they want full-time. At least then, you'll know the reason you got beat was because you got outplayed or were not playing tactically in a squad, not because you couldn't afford the right gear. There's no economy to jack up anymore, so who gives a **** how much ISK anybody has?

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Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 177	Posted - 2014.09.10 16:28:00 - [1] - Quote Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. Watch your back because I might be there.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1208	Posted - 2014.09.10 16:35:00 - [2] - Quote anything in place to remove squadding from pubs will just be worked around. if there are actually still serious players playing dust they would just que sync and use ventrillo. the anti-networking mechanic concept for gaming is total fail and it is why you don't see it in place in any game, ever. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2962	Posted - 2014.09.10 16:36:00 - [3] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? No, pubstomping caused by poor matchmaking and prototype gear. Black SlaverX wrote: I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. When a Nyain San fits anything less than PRO gear they are expelled and the rest of the corp then refuses to talk about them. It's an ancient tradition that goes back centuries. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 434	Posted - 2014.09.10 16:38:00 - [4] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. no NS suckz in any gear that isnt in the form of a crutch. I can solo pubstomp in adv gear skillz. Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 434	Posted - 2014.09.10 16:39:00 - [5] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? No, pubstomping caused by poor matchmaking and prototype gear. Black SlaverX wrote: I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. When a Nyain San fits anything less than PRO gear they are expelled and the rest of the corp then refuses to talk about them. It's an ancient tradition that goes back centuries. No actually they have to kill themselves with a nova sword CCP put it in just for them to commit suicide for having no honor. Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3540	Posted - 2014.09.10 16:59:00 - [6] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. no NS suckz in any gear that isnt in the form of a crutch. I can solo pubstomp in adv gear skillz. Lolz. You can solo pubstomp a bunch of mlt players while you're in adv. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Bax Zanith 188	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:01:00 - [7] - Quote So... funny nyan story. A couple hot fixes ago, I was playing ambush with a couple friends. We were stomped off the bridge by nyan sans' tanks. Next ambush; we were on nyan's team in the gallente lab. My friends and I decided to inconvenience them by calling in two cars. Nyan san got stomped by real proto stompers while my friends and I raced each other on the outskerts of the map. Good times... They didn't die from the cold without They died from the cold within. - James Patrick Kinney
Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 434	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:19:00 - [8] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. no NS suckz in any gear that isnt in the form of a crutch. I can solo pubstomp in adv gear skillz. Lolz. You can solo pubstomp a bunch of mlt players while you're in adv. no anyone thats not running proto. Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
Atiim 12033	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:38:00 - [9] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. no NS suckz in any gear that isnt in the form of a crutch. I can solo pubstomp in adv gear skillz. Lolz. You can solo pubstomp a bunch of mlt players while you're in adv. 33/3 In a Staff Recruiter Militia Frame & Basic Combat Rifle. ADV gear is for wimps. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1492	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:39:00 - [10] - Quote Teamwork, gun game, and situational awareness are clearly OP! If something like teamwork and focused fire is causing you grief, you might want to try it.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3540	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:51:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. no NS suckz in any gear that isnt in the form of a crutch. I can solo pubstomp in adv gear skillz. Lolz. You can solo pubstomp a bunch of mlt players while you're in adv. 33/3 In a Staff Recruiter Militia Frame & Basic Combat Rifle. ADV gear is for wimps. http://imgur.com/eB4uVCY How's this? Goes back to bed. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 765	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:18:00 - [12] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Atiim wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. no NS suckz in any gear that isnt in the form of a crutch. I can solo pubstomp in adv gear skillz. Lolz. You can solo pubstomp a bunch of mlt players while you're in adv. 33/3 In a Staff Recruiter Militia Frame & Basic Combat Rifle. ADV gear is for wimps. http://imgur.com/eB4uVCY How's this? Goes back to bed. Only 4 headshots you are a disgrace Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1431	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:20:00 - [13] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. Yes yes. Have a cigar. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 444	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:32:00 - [14] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. There would still be 16 people on each team (except when scotty gets bored)... The better team would be the one that worked together and covered each others arses as much as they could... The problem is with half arsed teams that don't work together... I've seen teams of random no-squadded blues, beat a team filled with squads of corps... They worked together... Just because someone is in a squad doesn't mean they're gonna beat you, doesn't even mean they'll work together. Just get matchmaking to stop the ******** blueberrys from doing whatever the hell it is they do, in matches with people that can play the game and then we'll all be able to work together, squad or no.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 444	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:35:00 - [15] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Atiim wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. no NS suckz in any gear that isnt in the form of a crutch. I can solo pubstomp in adv gear skillz. Lolz. You can solo pubstomp a bunch of mlt players while you're in adv. 33/3 In a Staff Recruiter Militia Frame & Basic Combat Rifle. ADV gear is for wimps. http://imgur.com/eB4uVCY How's this? Goes back to bed. It's terrible... Why would you use a flash on something that produces it's own light?
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3543	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:17:00 - [16] - Quote Lol I forgot how to turn flash off on my iPhone. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 795	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:38:00 - [17] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. Here's the point: If we were all in militia gear, and Nyain was still stomping the crap out of everybody, it wouldn't make me want to quit playing. It would make me want to get gud. What CCP has utterly, completely failed to understand is that there is a difference between getting 'outplayed', and getting 'outgeared'. Getting outplayed with smart tactics makes players want to improve their own game. Getting outgeared, aka protostomped, makes people ragequit, never to play again, and that is because they recognize no matter how much practice you put in, it's probably futile. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4621	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote If you can handle the truth it has more to do with the majority of people NOT being in squads or ever doing anything to incorporate squad/team work into their gameplay. Squad/team play is one of the best parts of Dust. I'll never figure out why soooooooo many people complain about getting beaten by squads but never join a corp that can provide decent squads. I could get behind removing squads and vehicles in regular ambush (but tightening up the maps). It's good to be able to play solo, but I'll never get mad if I get wrecked by a squad WHILE I'm solo. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4621	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:40:00 - [19] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. Here's the point: If we were all in militia gear, and Nyain was still stomping the crap out of everybody, it wouldn't make me want to quit playing. It would make me want to get gud. What CCP has utterly, completely failed to understand is that there is a difference between getting 'outplayed', and getting 'outgeared'. Getting outplayed with smart tactics makes players want to improve their own game. Getting outgeared, aka protostomped, makes people ragequit, never to play again, and that is because they recognize no matter how much practice you put in, it's probably futile. This is the biggest difference between the playerbase now and the playerbase during beta. People tried to figure out how to beat the people that beat them instead of trying to get the variety and force multipliers in Dust nerfed. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 624	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:47:00 - [20] - Quote Yesterday, I went against a squad of Molon Labe protostomping and managed to kill three protosuits, and one kill was with a PLC... I also managed to hold off an objective with minimal help for half the match. Thank god they weren't pushing hard. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3992	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:59:00 - [21] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If you can handle the truth it has more to do with the majority of people NOT being in squads or ever doing anything to incorporate squad/team work into their gameplay. Squad/team play is one of the best parts of Dust. I'll never figure out why soooooooo many people complain about getting beaten by squads but never join a corp that can provide decent squads. I could get behind removing squads and vehicles in regular ambush (but tightening up the maps). It's good to be able to play solo, but I'll never get mad if I get wrecked by a squad WHILE I'm solo. For me, its because I only play 1-2 games most days when I play just before work. Not enough to get involved with a good squad. I will jump into squads once in game to give them WP for orbys, but a lot of times its hard to tell what kind of squad I am getting. Sometimes they are speaking a language I don't, which makes coordination an issue. Also, I am not in a position to use my mic and communicate. I would like to, but sometimes things are beyond my control, and we just do the best we can. I don't want to take anything away from people squading up, because that should be an end goal should people be able to do so, but there should also be a way for solo players who, for various reasons, are not able to squad up or do so effectively. They should still be able to join a game and find some fun. If they cannot make squadless games, at least they could pit squads on separate teams such that they effectively nullify one another (in the sense that both are capable of coordinated attacks, which would prevent one team stomping the other) and can still enjoy the game that way while solo players will still be able to contribute to the team. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 995	Posted - 2014.09.10 21:06:00 - [22] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. No, they actually don't do well at all if you find a group that isn't running solid Proto. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1210	Posted - 2014.09.10 21:40:00 - [23] - Quote there's always the option of academy alt if teamwork is bothering someone. you stand a 99% chance there of just fighting mindless noobs who aren't team players and there's no worrying about proto. no one will write an odyssey about your success there tho. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3995	Posted - 2014.09.10 21:43:00 - [24] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: there's always the option of academy alt if teamwork is bothering someone. you stand a 99% chance there of just fighting mindless noobs who aren't team players and there's no worrying about proto. no one will write an odyssey about your success there tho. You shouldn't have to be relegated to the Academy in order to play solo. There needs to be room for both squads and solo. You can always tell a Millford Minja
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1210	Posted - 2014.09.10 21:48:00 - [25] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: [quote=Thor Odinson42] I will jump into squads once in game to give them WP for orbys, but a lot of times its hard to tell what kind of squad I am getting. Sometimes they are speaking a language I don't, which makes coordination an issue. the language they speak is usually a form of noobish- crying and moaning for someone to help them hack points while failing to call out enemy movements or give any useful input here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzEsHMPnYUw AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7527	Posted - 2014.09.10 22:21:00 - [26] - Quote Blueberries Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 9312	Posted - 2014.09.10 23:00:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: 33/3 Atiim wrote: Combat Rifle. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 795	Posted - 2014.09.10 23:03:00 - [28] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: J4yne C0bb wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. Here's the point: If we were all in militia gear, and Nyain was still stomping the crap out of everybody, it wouldn't make me want to quit playing. It would make me want to get gud. What CCP has utterly, completely failed to understand is that there is a difference between getting 'outplayed', and getting 'outgeared'. Getting outplayed with smart tactics makes players want to improve their own game. Getting outgeared, aka protostomped, makes people ragequit, never to play again, and that is because they recognize no matter how much practice you put in, it's probably futile. This is the biggest difference between the playerbase now and the playerbase during beta. People tried to figure out how to beat the people that beat them instead of trying to get the variety and force multipliers in Dust nerfed. True, but during beta (at least open beta, I never played closed), SP accrual was accelerated so that people could get into gear quicker. After the big reset, the speed of SP accrual got dialed back, so it's harder to get into the gear you need to face the big protostomping squads, unless you no-life Dust for a bit. And plus, it was beta, so there was more tolerance of this kind of B.S. I've been thinking lately that the simplest solution to the problem of protostomping is simply a substantial increase in payouts, enough so that everybody can run whatever level of gear they want full-time. At least then, you'll know the reason you got beat was because you got outplayed or were not playing tactically in a squad, not because you couldn't afford the right gear. There's no economy to jack up anymore, so who gives a **** how much ISK anybody has? Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 39	Posted - 2014.09.11 00:01:00 - [29] - Quote Using better equipment to be more successful in battle getting more war points at a quicker pace to burn through your weekly bonus to play other games?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4622	Posted - 2014.09.11 00:09:00 - [30] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: J4yne C0bb wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches? I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp. Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same. Here's the point: If we were all in militia gear, and Nyain was still stomping the crap out of everybody, it wouldn't make me want to quit playing. It would make me want to get gud. What CCP has utterly, completely failed to understand is that there is a difference between getting 'outplayed', and getting 'outgeared'. Getting outplayed with smart tactics makes players want to improve their own game. Getting outgeared, aka protostomped, makes people ragequit, never to play again, and that is because they recognize no matter how much practice you put in, it's probably futile. This is the biggest difference between the playerbase now and the playerbase during beta. People tried to figure out how to beat the people that beat them instead of trying to get the variety and force multipliers in Dust nerfed. True, but during beta (at least open beta, I never played closed), SP accrual was accelerated so that people could get into gear quicker. After the big reset, the speed of SP accrual got dialed back, so it's harder to get into the gear you need to face the big protostomping squads, unless you no-life Dust for a bit. And plus, it was beta, so there was more tolerance of this kind of B.S. I've been thinking lately that the simplest solution to the problem of protostomping is simply a substantial increase in payouts, enough so that everybody can run whatever level of gear they want full-time. At least then, you'll know the reason you got beat was because you got outplayed or were not playing tactically in a squad, not because you couldn't afford the right gear. There's no economy to jack up anymore, so who gives a ** how much ISK anybody has? Increasing payouts would go a LONG way. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42

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