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Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 148	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:21:00 - [1] - Quote Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore and u already know the solution. Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 795	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:24:00 - [2] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore and u already know the solution. Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank. basically your butthurt cause you got Jihad jeeped. and in the last 2 weeks i only saw it happen twice.. once during SP event and once when several of the team were trying to kill DELB0Y [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 614	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:28:00 - [3] - Quote Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage.
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:30:00 - [4] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore and u already know the solution. Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank basically your butthurt cause you got Jihad jeeped. and in the last 2 weeks i only saw it happen twice.. once during SP event and once when several of the team were trying to kill DELB0Y wrong scrubby I've never been jihad ed im a amarrian infantry slave it's called making a thread about something you feel is an issue even if it doesn't majorly effect you. The fact of the matter is jihad jeeps take no skill and can be free..don't defend your crutch man up and grab av...and duct tape your balls back on no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:31:00 - [5] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. Yup if not impeded at all...even one non scrub av user...and they don't. You must suck at dust dude..cause tanks are a cakewalk to solo again They are almost as easy to kill as they used to be. It's boring. If you jihad your either lazy or you suck. And don't tell me oh mlt swarms suck ..Or mlt forge or mlt plc..because all week I've been dropping kills with those 3 guns..and I'll continue to solo em with mlt. Because it's doable no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4791	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:35:00 - [6] - Quote You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friedly tank going 3 mph. If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you. So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:36:00 - [7] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friedly tank going 3 mph. If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you. So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win shields are also highly more susceptible to ramm..shields really des deserve a collision damage rework It wouldn't fix it either people would just start running unicorns no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Atiim 11880	Posted - 2014.09.06 14:12:00 - [8] - Quote Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.09.06 14:20:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1191	Posted - 2014.09.06 15:35:00 - [10] - Quote Lol, because shooting the explosives on the front of the incoming LAV is so hard If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.

Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 189	Posted - 2014.09.06 15:41:00 - [11] - Quote YOU MAD BRO! I say let it be. I run AV and most of the time most tankers will run away before you can get the killing blow. Of course that is their defense So you grab some RE's plaster them all on the front of LAV and charge into them for the big bang theory experience. Of course your defense is to have situational awareness and have gunners scan around for threats. Your lucky i haven't mastered flying a dropship or else you would have jihad dropships. That would be fun to dive bomb tanks with for realz tho. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.09.06 15:42:00 - [12] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Lol, because shooting the explosives on the front of the incoming LAV is so hard You can put them other places than the lav..u can also run a 2 man team put re's one tank and drive into deadly areas and perform re blast 360 arou n d the tank without dmging in the tank driver or user ..u can re any vehicle drive it into a group hop out and release a blast that kills everyone around the lav then drive off no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.09.06 15:44:00 - [13] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: YOU MAD BRO! I say let it be. I run AV and most of the time most tankers will run away before you can get the killing blow. Of course that is their defense So you grab some RE's plaster them all on the front of LAV and charge into them for the big bang theory experience. Of course your defense is to have situational awareness and have gunners scan around for threats. Your lucky i haven't mastered flying a dropship or else you would have jihad dropships. That would be fun to dive bomb tanks with for realz tho. Again no im not mad but I think it's broken lu op and should be nerfed. U can hate all u want..If u can't kill a tank with av you suck..If you have to resort to jihad u suck. While I may not be a jihad in scrub I have loads of fun with re novas and it's insanely op Dude I plastered a freinds durp durp n hopped in a lav n drove off..2 minutes later hit says morte hit it..i hope out n get 11 kills ..it's ridiculous no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.09.06 15:48:00 - [14] - Quote And as far as re's being gard to place I run them the **** they are..and my sever bpo costs maybe 45 so nothing and doesn't die anyways no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Boot Booter Pure Evil. 904	Posted - 2014.09.06 15:53:00 - [15] - Quote Yeah also remove the militia scout SG that can one or two hit kill my proto suit. Really I rarely see jlavs working. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 336	Posted - 2014.09.06 16:07:00 - [16] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Yeah also remove the militia scout SG that can one or two hit kill my proto suit. Really I rarely see jlavs working. people are willing to go negeative to take the tank down, thats how succesful it is. Stop crying, there are more problems that need fixing.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1611	Posted - 2014.09.06 17:01:00 - [17] - Quote Jihad jeeps really need a buff I shouldn't even need RE's, just ramming a tank should destroy it...
Atiim 11891	Posted - 2014.09.06 17:35:00 - [18] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist My crutch? I haven't used JLAVs in about 5-6 months. Though none of that paragraph actually supplies a reason as to why JLAVs need to be removed, other than "they don't deserve that", in which case they do. If you fail to see them coming, then by all rights you can deserve to die.e Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. 1.) Remote Explosives are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, and JLAVs require the use of REs, making JLAVs AV weapons as well. Considering that, this method of AV is indeed, viable. 2.) This is a lie, and you know it. Current viable AV methods of killing HAVs: Swarm Launcher Forge Gun Assault Forge Gun Breach Forge Gun Remote Explosives JLAVs Does not include ASLs, PEs, PLCs, or SSLs Current viable V methods of killing HAVs: 80GJ Railguns 20GJ Railguns 80GJ Blasters 20GJ Blasters Large Missile Turrets Small Missile Turrets KDSs Though JLAVs are a variety of AV, and to comply with your statement, should remain viable. 3.) HAVs are in no way difficult, assuming you're not a MLT Tanker. I can put 2 Reps and a Plate and make myself pretty much invincible granted that I take cover for a few seconds to let my buffer rep back. As for my Gunnlogi, 2 Extenders and a Hardener guarantees that no Swarmer is killing me as long as I don't get stuck, and FGs only kill me if I stand completely in the open once my mods die like an idiot. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2794	Posted - 2014.09.06 17:48:00 - [19] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank. BS. Supply depot> suit with RE > LAV (some have BPO) > switch suit to starter fit > cost from 0 to LAV cost. There are also JLAV 2.0 where the pilot is player1 and the RE are from player 2, you can't even shoot to them and destroy the LAV. F*** those JLAVs and everybody using them. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.09.06 17:55:00 - [20] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank. BS. Supply depot> suit with RE > LAV (some have BPO) > switch suit to starter fit > cost from 0 to LAV cost. There are also JLAV 2.0 where the pilot is player1 and the RE are from player 2, you can't even shoot to them and destroy the LAV. F*** those JLAVs and everybody using them. Yes j lav 2.0 is my new playground I re random vehicles n get more kills off them than they do before they die no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil

Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2014.09.06 17:57:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist My crutch? I haven't used JLAVs in about 5-6 months. Though none of that paragraph actually supplies a reason as to why JLAVs need to be removed, other than "they don't deserve that", in which case they do. If you fail to see them coming, then by all rights you can deserve to die.e Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. 1.) Remote Explosives are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, and JLAVs require the use of REs, making JLAVs AV weapons as well. Considering that, this method of AV is indeed, viable. 2.) This is a lie, and you know it. Current viable AV methods of killing HAVs: Swarm Launcher Forge Gun Assault Forge Gun Breach Forge Gun Remote Explosives JLAVs Does not include ASLs, PEs, PLCs, or SSLs Current viable V methods of killing HAVs: 80GJ Railguns 20GJ Railguns 80GJ Blasters 20GJ Blasters Large Missile Turrets Small Missile Turrets KDSs Though JLAVs are a variety of AV, and to comply with your statement, should remain viable. 3.) HAVs are in no way difficult, assuming you're not a MLT Tanker. I can put 2 Reps and a Plate and make myself pretty much invincible granted that I take cover for a few seconds to let my buffer rep back. As for my Gunnlogi, 2 Extenders and a Hardener guarantees that no Swarmer is killing me as long as I don't get stuck, and FGs only kill me if I stand completely in the open once my mods die like an idiot. Hey dude ** you plc is the ** no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 414	Posted - 2014.09.06 18:00:00 - [22] - Quote As a tanker, I would hate this... Fighting a Jihad is one of the few fun things in the game, it's not over-powered and it's only easy-mode if you're doing it to someone who isn't paying attention to anything going on... Move away from them and even with a booster they wont blow (unless they roll it next to you, in which case you just hit the breaks and watch them explode a few meters away.) It's also still the best way to get rid of pesky redzone tanks, they may not dominate the whole map anymore, but they still camp out a decent area, especially on small crappy maps.
Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 56	Posted - 2014.09.06 18:49:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. I have to disagree with you because you're looking at this from an av pov but overall no matter how you look at it is a scrub tactic. While it is true that having situational awareness can prevent this you cannot compare this to the SG/KN user because at least in a dropsuits you can turn quick and counter attack but in a tank specially in a armor tank you cannot do so and therefore can be easily hit by these jeeps when turning corners or moving after having stopped completely. Also you are wrong in the statement in which you said they can be seen and avoided easily but that's not true because unless they're in front of your face they cannot be seen when you are in the first person view of the turret and cannot be seen on the radar until it is too late. The real irony about the jeeps though is that most users of this tactic are some of the tankers themselves(mostly noob pilots but I have seen plenty of vets too)when an opposing tank whoops theirs and they can't handle it with AV or their own tanks they bring out the jeeps and don't stop till you pop and so this is a very scrubby tactic that should be removed. "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1109	Posted - 2014.09.06 20:11:00 - [24] - Quote [quote=Maiden selena MORTIMOR]Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore and u already know the solution. Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles[/quote I never have used a jihad jeep but I will make a deal, if tankers can't pop out of their tank with a Burst HMG whenever they are getting owned by AV and when tanks can't simply outrun AV then we can eliminate jihad jeeps. Deal? Because, that's why.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars 448	Posted - 2014.09.06 20:44:00 - [25] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. Atiim is in no way a scrub, Mortimer. I think you are making this thread because your tanking alt got jeeped. It's not a crutch. It was put into the game to stop overly cautious scrub tankers from going 40-0. It's a check for tanks Scr and commando enthusiast. Amarrica!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 797	Posted - 2014.09.06 20:57:00 - [26] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friendly tank going 3 mph. If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you. So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win ah so we RAM with them? i was driveing upto HAVs and setting off the RE next to em :P [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3982	Posted - 2014.09.06 21:08:00 - [27] - Quote I dunno, Morte, I've used maybe 2 JLav's ever, but sticky RE's in general are so stupid fun I'd hate to see them get removed. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Zindorak 1.U.P 840	Posted - 2014.09.06 21:14:00 - [28] - Quote Yea also get rid of DS ramming Pokemon master! I suck at Tekken lol
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 415	Posted - 2014.09.06 21:25:00 - [29] - Quote Gabriel Ceja wrote: Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. I have to disagree with you because you're looking at this from an av pov but overall no matter how you look at it is a scrub tactic. While it is true that having situational awareness can prevent this you cannot compare this to the SG/KN user because at least in a dropsuits you can turn quick and counter attack but in a tank specially in a armor tank you cannot do so and therefore can be easily hit by these jeeps when turning corners or moving after having stopped completely. Also you are wrong in the statement in which you said they can be seen and avoided easily but that's not true because unless they're in front of your face they cannot be seen when you are in the first person view of the turret and cannot be seen on the radar until it is too late. The real irony about the jeeps though is that most users of this tactic are some of the tankers themselves(mostly noob pilots but I have seen plenty of vets too)when an opposing tank whoops theirs and they can't handle it with AV or their own tanks they bring out the jeeps and don't stop till you pop and so this is a very scrubby tactic that should be removed. As someone who does both (more tanking than Jihading these days though) I can say with some safety, it's easier to be the tank than the Jihad... Unless facing really bad tankers who want nothing more than to be warned when a Jihad is coming so they can break from their free farm (in which case you can still get a squad full of scanners.) If you actually learn the ins and outs of the mechanic, you would learn so many ways to stop the Jihad from detonating that it becomes almost useless against you... But the only people complaining are those that have only done it against tankers that don't fight back or have any awareness.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 307	Posted - 2014.09.06 21:49:00 - [30] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friendly tank going 3 mph. If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you. So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win GTFO of here! What with your rational logic and all!! wtf, people are in here qq'ing over dumb ****, how dare you spoil their excellent ideas for full removal with your factually based and mechanically sound balancing premises??? Good Day, Sir-I SAID GOOD DAY!!!! Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 258	Posted - 2014.09.06 22:58:00 - [31] - Quote What about talking of scrub pilots instantly jumping out of tanks in slayer suits vs infantry with av weapons, if they are loosing no matter jump back in when the vehicle has started to heavily repair itself. # bringinvehicleentryexittimers As a proto av user I find this more scrub like as jlav are at least realistic
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1011	Posted - 2014.09.07 01:07:00 - [32] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. By that logic infantry must not be allowed to take cover / flee either when they have taken damage.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1011	Posted - 2014.09.07 01:10:00 - [33] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friendly tank going 3 mph. If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you. So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win You do know that if they don't blow up on impact (which they don't always do), they just jump out of their LAV and explode the remotes and the LAV and driver lives but HAV doesn't. For the record I have nothing against JLAV but I don't use them myself.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1011	Posted - 2014.09.07 01:15:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. You may be able to see them yes, you may be able to shoot the remotes, but smart people place them on the back of the LAV and smart people use the environment / surroundings to your advantage, they don't drive straight at you, the try to block the HAV line of sight on the LAV before it is too late. Situational awareness argument is so over used and abused. You may have to be focusing on 10 different things at the same time so you might not notice that single JLAV that is coming at you using every cover on the way he has. Again, for the record, I have nothing against JLAVs but you cannot always avoid them.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 287	Posted - 2014.09.07 08:41:00 - [35] - Quote don't remove jlav, it's so fun especially when the tanker realizes there is no getting away and just stops in the middle of the road accepting his fate "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 442	Posted - 2014.09.07 09:17:00 - [36] - Quote I wish my drop suit had shield hardening so I could just stand still and take punishment for 30 sec slaying all before me, then running for twenty seconds so I could do it again. I'll put it in my equipment slot Lonewolf till I die
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 225	Posted - 2014.09.07 09:22:00 - [37] - Quote the only time i EVER see Jlavs, is when there are several enemy tanks on the field that seem to instagib everyone elses tanks Burst HMG is OP use it. I do
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 411	Posted - 2014.09.07 09:23:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. I agree completely hear. but recently there has been 1 or 2 lavs I have seen that dont make any noise. this is slowly increasing. even the infantry I run with just get road killed by said silent lavs. hearing a scout running while cloaked but not a fckn lav is quite odd. and when your scoped in witht he tanks turret. and you get these ''silent lavs'' comeing it is going to be a bad thing. still I agree with your above statement. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2625	Posted - 2014.09.07 10:10:00 - [39] - Quote Jihad Jeeps provide a new angle to murdering tanks. I have the forge gun, and that's always fun, but what if I'm not in the mood to duel with the tanker at suicide range? I could use the Plasma cannon. That usually stops being fun quick. Far more fun shooting scouts with it. I could use swarms? Nah screw that. Level 1 swarm operation is where I'm content to stop there. I could DRIVE a tank... But I only do that when I feel like getting my ass kicked in hilarious ways. I could dropship... Screw that. Hmmm... What can I do that makes my hated, tank driving enemies rage? WAIT! I KNOW!!! BEEP BEEP! BOOM!
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 620	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:36:00 - [40] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. By that logic infantry must not be allowed to take cover / flee either when they have taken damage. Right because infantry have hardeners, and can "take cover" from the main battle area to the redline in 5 seconds. Oh wait...

Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3302	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:47:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. You should know better than to use logic against these guys...
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1017	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:13:00 - [42] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. By that logic infantry must not be allowed to take cover / flee either when they have taken damage. Right because infantry have hardeners, and can "take cover" from the main battle area to the redline in 5 seconds. Oh wait... Yes and because tanks can brick tank their hulls to have 5x or even more eHP, and yes because tanks are so small you can use anything as cover, and yes because tanks can get out of the battle in 5 seconds. Oh wait... If you really think tanks are in any way OP towards infantry at this point in the game, you really, really need to get your head checked.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3113	Posted - 2014.09.08 00:21:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist My crutch? I haven't used JLAVs in about 5-6 months. Though none of that paragraph actually supplies a reason as to why JLAVs need to be removed, other than "they don't deserve that", in which case they do. If you fail to see them coming, then by all rights you can deserve to die.e Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. 1.) Remote Explosives are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, and JLAVs require the use of REs, making JLAVs AV weapons as well. Considering that, this method of AV is indeed, viable. 2.) This is a lie, and you know it. Current viable AV methods of killing HAVs: Swarm Launcher Forge Gun Assault Forge Gun Breach Forge Gun Remote Explosives JLAVs Does not include ASLs, PEs, PLCs, or SSLs Current viable V methods of killing HAVs: 80GJ Railguns 20GJ Railguns 80GJ Blasters 20GJ Blasters Large Missile Turrets Small Missile Turrets KDSs Though JLAVs are a variety of AV, and to comply with your statement, should remain viable. 3.) HAVs are in no way difficult, assuming you're not a MLT Tanker. I can put 2 Reps and a Plate and make myself pretty much invincible granted that I take cover for a few seconds to let my buffer rep back. As for my Gunnlogi, 2 Extenders and a Hardener guarantees that no Swarmer is killing me as long as I don't get stuck, and FGs only kill me if I stand completely in the open once my mods die like an idiot. PE's are actually quite effective and very underrated though they could use a buff because you need a huge stack of them to have an effect. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Atiim 11947	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:04:00 - [44] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: PE's are actually quite effective and very underrated though they could use a buff because you need a huge stack of them to have an effect. Against scrubs, sure. But honestly the only time I've ever been killed by them is that one time where I had some friends gunning in my HAV, and we rubber-banded straight into them. Though I blame myself for driving a tank into the Gallente Lag Facility... DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND


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