DUST Search - Hey how about removing that av scrub crutch

Atiim wrote:

Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:

Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist

My crutch? I haven't used JLAVs in about 5-6 months.

Though none of that paragraph actually supplies a reason as to why JLAVs need to be removed, other than "they don't deserve that", in which case they do. If you fail to see them coming, then by all rights you can deserve to die.e

Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:

When 1 av is viable
2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable...
Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk.

1.) Remote Explosives are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, and JLAVs require the use of REs, making JLAVs AV weapons as well. Considering that, this method of AV is indeed, viable.

2.) This is a lie, and you know it.

Current viable AV methods of killing HAVs:

Swarm Launcher
Forge Gun
Assault Forge Gun
Breach Forge Gun
Remote Explosives
JLAVs

Does not include ASLs, PEs, PLCs, or SSLs

Current viable V methods of killing HAVs:

80GJ Railguns
20GJ Railguns
80GJ Blasters
20GJ Blasters
Large Missile Turrets
Small Missile Turrets
KDSs

Though JLAVs are a variety of AV, and to comply with your statement, should remain viable.

3.) HAVs are in no way difficult, assuming you're not a MLT Tanker. I can put 2 Reps and a Plate and make myself pretty much invincible granted that I take cover for a few seconds to let my buffer rep back.

As for my Gunnlogi, 2 Extenders and a Hardener guarantees that no Swarmer is killing me as long as I don't get stuck, and FGs only kill me if I stand completely in the open once my mods die like an idiot.

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taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 258	Posted - 2014.09.06 22:58:00 - [31] - Quote What about talking of scrub pilots instantly jumping out of tanks in slayer suits vs infantry with av weapons, if they are loosing no matter jump back in when the vehicle has started to heavily repair itself. # bringinvehicleentryexittimers As a proto av user I find this more scrub like as jlav are at least realistic
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1011	Posted - 2014.09.07 01:07:00 - [32] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. By that logic infantry must not be allowed to take cover / flee either when they have taken damage.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1011	Posted - 2014.09.07 01:10:00 - [33] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friendly tank going 3 mph. If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you. So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win You do know that if they don't blow up on impact (which they don't always do), they just jump out of their LAV and explode the remotes and the LAV and driver lives but HAV doesn't. For the record I have nothing against JLAV but I don't use them myself.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1011	Posted - 2014.09.07 01:15:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. You may be able to see them yes, you may be able to shoot the remotes, but smart people place them on the back of the LAV and smart people use the environment / surroundings to your advantage, they don't drive straight at you, the try to block the HAV line of sight on the LAV before it is too late. Situational awareness argument is so over used and abused. You may have to be focusing on 10 different things at the same time so you might not notice that single JLAV that is coming at you using every cover on the way he has. Again, for the record, I have nothing against JLAVs but you cannot always avoid them.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 287	Posted - 2014.09.07 08:41:00 - [35] - Quote don't remove jlav, it's so fun especially when the tanker realizes there is no getting away and just stops in the middle of the road accepting his fate "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 442	Posted - 2014.09.07 09:17:00 - [36] - Quote I wish my drop suit had shield hardening so I could just stand still and take punishment for 30 sec slaying all before me, then running for twenty seconds so I could do it again. I'll put it in my equipment slot Lonewolf till I die
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 225	Posted - 2014.09.07 09:22:00 - [37] - Quote the only time i EVER see Jlavs, is when there are several enemy tanks on the field that seem to instagib everyone elses tanks Burst HMG is OP use it. I do
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 411	Posted - 2014.09.07 09:23:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. I agree completely hear. but recently there has been 1 or 2 lavs I have seen that dont make any noise. this is slowly increasing. even the infantry I run with just get road killed by said silent lavs. hearing a scout running while cloaked but not a fckn lav is quite odd. and when your scoped in witht he tanks turret. and you get these ''silent lavs'' comeing it is going to be a bad thing. still I agree with your above statement. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2625	Posted - 2014.09.07 10:10:00 - [39] - Quote Jihad Jeeps provide a new angle to murdering tanks. I have the forge gun, and that's always fun, but what if I'm not in the mood to duel with the tanker at suicide range? I could use the Plasma cannon. That usually stops being fun quick. Far more fun shooting scouts with it. I could use swarms? Nah screw that. Level 1 swarm operation is where I'm content to stop there. I could DRIVE a tank... But I only do that when I feel like getting my ass kicked in hilarious ways. I could dropship... Screw that. Hmmm... What can I do that makes my hated, tank driving enemies rage? WAIT! I KNOW!!! BEEP BEEP! BOOM!
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 620	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:36:00 - [40] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. By that logic infantry must not be allowed to take cover / flee either when they have taken damage. Right because infantry have hardeners, and can "take cover" from the main battle area to the redline in 5 seconds. Oh wait...

Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3302	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:47:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots. Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV. It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you. If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. You should know better than to use logic against these guys...
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1017	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:13:00 - [42] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. By that logic infantry must not be allowed to take cover / flee either when they have taken damage. Right because infantry have hardeners, and can "take cover" from the main battle area to the redline in 5 seconds. Oh wait... Yes and because tanks can brick tank their hulls to have 5x or even more eHP, and yes because tanks are so small you can use anything as cover, and yes because tanks can get out of the battle in 5 seconds. Oh wait... If you really think tanks are in any way OP towards infantry at this point in the game, you really, really need to get your head checked.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3113	Posted - 2014.09.08 00:21:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist My crutch? I haven't used JLAVs in about 5-6 months. Though none of that paragraph actually supplies a reason as to why JLAVs need to be removed, other than "they don't deserve that", in which case they do. If you fail to see them coming, then by all rights you can deserve to die.e Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. 1.) Remote Explosives are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, and JLAVs require the use of REs, making JLAVs AV weapons as well. Considering that, this method of AV is indeed, viable. 2.) This is a lie, and you know it. Current viable AV methods of killing HAVs: Swarm Launcher Forge Gun Assault Forge Gun Breach Forge Gun Remote Explosives JLAVs Does not include ASLs, PEs, PLCs, or SSLs Current viable V methods of killing HAVs: 80GJ Railguns 20GJ Railguns 80GJ Blasters 20GJ Blasters Large Missile Turrets Small Missile Turrets KDSs Though JLAVs are a variety of AV, and to comply with your statement, should remain viable. 3.) HAVs are in no way difficult, assuming you're not a MLT Tanker. I can put 2 Reps and a Plate and make myself pretty much invincible granted that I take cover for a few seconds to let my buffer rep back. As for my Gunnlogi, 2 Extenders and a Hardener guarantees that no Swarmer is killing me as long as I don't get stuck, and FGs only kill me if I stand completely in the open once my mods die like an idiot. PE's are actually quite effective and very underrated though they could use a buff because you need a huge stack of them to have an effect. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Atiim 11947	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:04:00 - [44] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: PE's are actually quite effective and very underrated though they could use a buff because you need a huge stack of them to have an effect. Against scrubs, sure. But honestly the only time I've ever been killed by them is that one time where I had some friends gunning in my HAV, and we rubber-banded straight into them. Though I blame myself for driving a tank into the Gallente Lag Facility... DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND


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