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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.06 13:21:00 -
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Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore
and u already know the solution.
Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.09.06 13:24:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore
and u already know the solution.
Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank.
basically your butthurt cause you got Jihad jeeped. and in the last 2 weeks i only saw it happen twice.. once during SP event and once when several of the team were trying to kill DELB0Y
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TheEnd762
SVER True Blood Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 13:28:00 -
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Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. |
Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.06 13:30:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore
and u already know the solution.
Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank basically your butthurt cause you got Jihad jeeped. and in the last 2 weeks i only saw it happen twice.. once during SP event and once when several of the team were trying to kill DELB0Y
wrong scrubby I've never been jihad ed im a amarrian infantry slave it's called making a thread about something you feel is an issue even if it doesn't majorly effect you. The fact of the matter is jihad jeeps take no skill and can be free..don't defend your crutch man up and grab av...and duct tape your balls back on
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2014.09.06 13:31:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:Sure, they can remove Jihad jeeps... as soon as vehicles can't cut and run across the map when they've taken a little too much damage. Yup if not impeded at all...even one non scrub av user...and they don't.
You must suck at dust dude..cause tanks are a cakewalk to solo again
They are almost as easy to kill as they used to be. It's boring. If you jihad your either lazy or you suck.
And don't tell me oh mlt swarms suck ..Or mlt forge or mlt plc..because all week I've been dropping kills with those 3 guns..and I'll continue to solo em with mlt. Because it's doable
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.09.06 13:35:00 -
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You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friedly tank going 3 mph.
If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you.
So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.06 13:36:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friedly tank going 3 mph.
If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you.
So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win
shields are also highly more susceptible to ramm..shields really des deserve a collision damage rework It wouldn't fix it either people would just start running unicorns
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:12:00 -
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Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots.
Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV.
It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you.
If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots.
Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV.
It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you.
If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist
When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:35:00 -
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Lol, because shooting the explosives on the front of the incoming LAV is so hard
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Chief-Shotty
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:41:00 -
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YOU MAD BRO!
I say let it be. I run AV and most of the time most tankers will run away before you can get the killing blow. Of course that is their defense
So you grab some RE's plaster them all on the front of LAV and charge into them for the big bang theory experience. Of course your defense is to have situational awareness and have gunners scan around for threats.
Your lucky i haven't mastered flying a dropship or else you would have jihad dropships. That would be fun to dive bomb tanks with for realz tho.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:42:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Lol, because shooting the explosives on the front of the incoming LAV is so hard You can put them other places than the lav..u can also run a 2 man team put re's one tank and drive into deadly areas and perform re blast 360 arou n d the tank without dmging in the tank driver or user ..u can re any vehicle drive it into a group hop out and release a blast that kills everyone around the lav then drive off
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:44:00 -
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Chief-Shotty wrote:YOU MAD BRO!
I say let it be. I run AV and most of the time most tankers will run away before you can get the killing blow. Of course that is their defense
So you grab some RE's plaster them all on the front of LAV and charge into them for the big bang theory experience. Of course your defense is to have situational awareness and have gunners scan around for threats.
Your lucky i haven't mastered flying a dropship or else you would have jihad dropships. That would be fun to dive bomb tanks with for realz tho. Again no im not mad but I think it's broken lu op and should be nerfed. U can hate all u want..If u can't kill a tank with av you suck..If you have to resort to jihad u suck. While I may not be a jihad in scrub I have loads of fun with re novas and it's insanely op
Dude I plastered a freinds durp durp n hopped in a lav n drove off..2 minutes later hit says morte hit it..i hope out n get 11 kills ..it's ridiculous
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:48:00 -
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And as far as re's being gard to place I run them the **** they are..and my sever bpo costs maybe 45 so nothing and doesn't die anyways
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Boot Booter
Pure Evil.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:53:00 -
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Yeah also remove the militia scout SG that can one or two hit kill my proto suit. Really I rarely see jlavs working.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:07:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Yeah also remove the militia scout SG that can one or two hit kill my proto suit. Really I rarely see jlavs working.
people are willing to go negeative to take the tank down, thats how succesful it is. Stop crying, there are more problems that need fixing. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:01:00 -
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Jihad jeeps really need a buff I shouldn't even need RE's, just ramming a tank should destroy it...
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:35:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist
My crutch? I haven't used JLAVs in about 5-6 months.
Though none of that paragraph actually supplies a reason as to why JLAVs need to be removed, other than "they don't deserve that", in which case they do. If you fail to see them coming, then by all rights you can deserve to die.e
Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. 1.) Remote Explosives are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, and JLAVs require the use of REs, making JLAVs AV weapons as well. Considering that, this method of AV is indeed, viable.
2.) This is a lie, and you know it.
Current viable AV methods of killing HAVs:
- Swarm Launcher
- Forge Gun
- Assault Forge Gun
- Breach Forge Gun
- Remote Explosives
- JLAVs
Does not include ASLs, PEs, PLCs, or SSLs
Current viable V methods of killing HAVs:
- 80GJ Railguns
- 20GJ Railguns
- 80GJ Blasters
- 20GJ Blasters
- Large Missile Turrets
- Small Missile Turrets
- KDSs
Though JLAVs are a variety of AV, and to comply with your statement, should remain viable.
3.) HAVs are in no way difficult, assuming you're not a MLT Tanker. I can put 2 Reps and a Plate and make myself pretty much invincible granted that I take cover for a few seconds to let my buffer rep back.
As for my Gunnlogi, 2 Extenders and a Hardener guarantees that no Swarmer is killing me as long as I don't get stuck, and FGs only kill me if I stand completely in the open once my mods die like an idiot.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:48:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote: its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank.
BS. Supply depot> suit with RE > LAV (some have BPO) > switch suit to starter fit > cost from 0 to LAV cost.
There are also JLAV 2.0 where the pilot is player1 and the RE are from player 2, you can't even shoot to them and destroy the LAV.
F*** those JLAVs and everybody using them.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:55:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote: its not a crutch, it takes some skills to get the RE and a dropsuit and lav.. so fit dropsuit with i think adv or proto RE and an LAV = costing ISK to destroy a tank.
BS. Supply depot> suit with RE > LAV (some have BPO) > switch suit to starter fit > cost from 0 to LAV cost. There are also JLAV 2.0 where the pilot is player1 and the RE are from player 2, you can't even shoot to them and destroy the LAV. F*** those JLAVs and everybody using them. Yes j lav 2.0 is my new playground I re random vehicles n get more kills off them than they do before they die
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist
My crutch? I haven't used JLAVs in about 5-6 months. Though none of that paragraph actually supplies a reason as to why JLAVs need to be removed, other than "they don't deserve that", in which case they do. If you fail to see them coming, then by all rights you can deserve to die.e Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. 1.) Remote Explosives are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, and JLAVs require the use of REs, making JLAVs AV weapons as well. Considering that, this method of AV is indeed, viable. 2.) This is a lie, and you know it. Current viable AV methods of killing HAVs:
- Swarm Launcher
- Forge Gun
- Assault Forge Gun
- Breach Forge Gun
- Remote Explosives
- JLAVs
Does not include ASLs, PEs, PLCs, or SSLs
Current viable V methods of killing HAVs:
- 80GJ Railguns
- 20GJ Railguns
- 80GJ Blasters
- 20GJ Blasters
- Large Missile Turrets
- Small Missile Turrets
- KDSs
Though JLAVs are a variety of AV, and to comply with your statement, should remain viable. 3.) HAVs are in no way difficult, assuming you're not a MLT Tanker. I can put 2 Reps and a Plate and make myself pretty much invincible granted that I take cover for a few seconds to let my buffer rep back. As for my Gunnlogi, 2 Extenders and a Hardener guarantees that no Swarmer is killing me as long as I don't get stuck, and FGs only kill me if I stand completely in the open once my mods die like an idiot. Hey dude **** you plc is the ****
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:00:00 -
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As a tanker, I would hate this... Fighting a Jihad is one of the few fun things in the game, it's not over-powered and it's only easy-mode if you're doing it to someone who isn't paying attention to anything going on... Move away from them and even with a booster they wont blow (unless they roll it next to you, in which case you just hit the breaks and watch them explode a few meters away.) It's also still the best way to get rid of pesky redzone tanks, they may not dominate the whole map anymore, but they still camp out a decent area, especially on small crappy maps. |
Gabriel Ceja
Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots.
Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV.
It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you.
If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance.
I have to disagree with you because you're looking at this from an av pov but overall no matter how you look at it is a scrub tactic. While it is true that having situational awareness can prevent this you cannot compare this to the SG/KN user because at least in a dropsuits you can turn quick and counter attack but in a tank specially in a armor tank you cannot do so and therefore can be easily hit by these jeeps when turning corners or moving after having stopped completely. Also you are wrong in the statement in which you said they can be seen and avoided easily but that's not true because unless they're in front of your face they cannot be seen when you are in the first person view of the turret and cannot be seen on the radar until it is too late. The real irony about the jeeps though is that most users of this tactic are some of the tankers themselves(mostly noob pilots but I have seen plenty of vets too)when an opposing tank whoops theirs and they can't handle it with AV or their own tanks they bring out the jeeps and don't stop till you pop and so this is a very scrubby tactic that should be removed.
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Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:11:00 -
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[quote=Maiden selena MORTIMOR]Yeah I mean the jihad..not like av is even remotely hard anymore
and u already know the solution.
Ps jihad may not be that bad but if you dont fix it..I'm going to start spamming NOVA TANKS until u remove the ability to fix re's to friendly vehicles[/quote
I never have used a jihad jeep but I will make a deal, if tankers can't pop out of their tank with a Burst HMG whenever they are getting owned by AV and when tanks can't simply outrun AV then we can eliminate jihad jeeps. Deal?
Because, that's why.
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Mauren NOON
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:44:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Atiim wrote:Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots.
Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV.
It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you.
If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. Yes yes protect you crutch..fact is whenever I see a tank doing good and fighting banning vs foolish av scrubs...they get jihad des they don't deserve that when by all rights they can easily be popped..i run both av and tanks have for years..There is no reason for a crutch like this to exist When 1 av is viable 2 there is more variety to killing tanks than there is to tanks them selves ..an every variety of av is viable... Tanking is a hard enough role without giving every scrub an i win button. Av on the other hand is a cake walk. Atiim is in no way a scrub, Mortimer. I think you are making this thread because your tanking alt got jeeped. It's not a crutch. It was put into the game to stop overly cautious scrub tankers from going 40-0. It's a check for tanks
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
797
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:57:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friendly tank going 3 mph.
If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you.
So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win ah so we RAM with them? i was driveing upto HAVs and setting off the RE next to em :P
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:08:00 -
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I dunno, Morte, I've used maybe 2 JLav's ever, but sticky RE's in general are so stupid fun I'd hate to see them get removed.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
840
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:14:00 -
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Yea also get rid of DS ramming
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:25:00 -
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Gabriel Ceja wrote:Atiim wrote:Only time it can be considered a scrub crutch is when you're facing scrub Pilots.
Anyways, I see no problem with JLAVs. Not only can you see them coming, but you can simply shoot the remotes and OHK them, and if that doesn't work just keep firing a few seconds longer and destroy the LAV.
It's exactly like facing a SG/NK user, just without the cloak (making things much easier). If you have situational awareness , you can always see them coming and kill them before they reach you.
If you' don't have situational awareness, then you'll be sliced like Tuna Fish when Cat Merc goes fishing. Stop standing still and watch your back, and you'll soon find that these JLAVs are of no real significance. I have to disagree with you because you're looking at this from an av pov but overall no matter how you look at it is a scrub tactic. While it is true that having situational awareness can prevent this you cannot compare this to the SG/KN user because at least in a dropsuits you can turn quick and counter attack but in a tank specially in a armor tank you cannot do so and therefore can be easily hit by these jeeps when turning corners or moving after having stopped completely. Also you are wrong in the statement in which you said they can be seen and avoided easily but that's not true because unless they're in front of your face they cannot be seen when you are in the first person view of the turret and cannot be seen on the radar until it is too late. The real irony about the jeeps though is that most users of this tactic are some of the tankers themselves(mostly noob pilots but I have seen plenty of vets too)when an opposing tank whoops theirs and they can't handle it with AV or their own tanks they bring out the jeeps and don't stop till you pop and so this is a very scrubby tactic that should be removed.
As someone who does both (more tanking than Jihading these days though) I can say with some safety, it's easier to be the tank than the Jihad... Unless facing really bad tankers who want nothing more than to be warned when a Jihad is coming so they can break from their free farm (in which case you can still get a squad full of scanners.)
If you actually learn the ins and outs of the mechanic, you would learn so many ways to stop the Jihad from detonating that it becomes almost useless against you... But the only people complaining are those that have only done it against tankers that don't fight back or have any awareness. |
el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
307
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:49:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You do realize that the problem with jihad jeeps is the same problem as when you explode by hitting a friendly tank going 3 mph.
If your LAV didn't explode, the RE's wouldn't explode, and you'd just bump off the side of the tank, letting the tanker shoot at your remotes, killing you.
So...solve the momentum issue with vehicles and collisions, and you solve jihad jeeps. win win
GTFO of here! What with your rational logic and all!! wtf, people are in here qq'ing over dumb ****, how dare you spoil their excellent ideas for full removal with your factually based and mechanically sound balancing premises??? Good Day, Sir-I SAID GOOD DAY!!!!
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