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Boot Booter
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Posted - 2014.09.04 18:32:00 -
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Hi Rattati,
I like the changes however, the breach AR should have a lower dps and higher range than the regular AR. It should follow along with the RR line essentially. The ARR to the RR should be a model for the AR to the BAR. If you give the breach the same dps and range as the AR everyone will use the breach instead. Not saying it'll be OP but it will have higher alpha and larger damage per clip compared to the regular AR.
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Boot Booter
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:07:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:I think this is a great start, but I think you are looking at the data incorrectly. This also stems from the fact that as long as you are inside your rifles optimal range you deal full damage. Instead it should be similar to the laser rifle where its on a bell curve with its optimal damage vs range. The laser rifle does full damage only inside its optimal, go closer or farther away and it does less damage.
I think to really give the rifles purpose, balance and utility. They need similar DPS only in their optimal ranges and outside those optimal range your DPS falls off like a bell curve.
So for example (these are not realistic numbers) Clarification: outside of optimal range means getting closer or farther away from it.
Assault rifles: Burst: Optimal range 6800, @ optimal range it does 600 DPS for every meter outside that it does 1% less damage. Breach: Optimal range 6000, @ optimal range it does 700 DPS for every meter outside it does 2% less damage. Standard: Optimal range 6500, @ optimal range it does 650 DPS for every meter outside that it does 1% less damage. Tactical: Optimal range 9000, @ optimal range it does 600 DPS for every meter outside that it does 1% less damage.
Combat Rifle: Standard: Optimal range 8000, @ optimal range it does 600 DPS for every meter outside that it does 1% less damage. Assault: Optimal range 7300, @ optimal range it does 700 DPS, for every meter outside that it does 2% less damage.
Scrambler Rifle: Assault: Optimal Range 8200, @ optimal range it does 700 DPS, for every meter outside that it does 2% less damage. Standard: Optimal Range 9500, @ optimal range it does 600 DPS, for every meter outside that it does 1% less damage.
ETC ETC ETC.
Would be best if optimal range/DPS would fall into a bell curve instead of linear as above example states, but it gets wordy. I assume you understand what I mean when I say bell curve.
You get uniformity and balance. Each weapon type falls into a category of short vs long. DPS will be derived from its optimal range. Its easier to balance this way because it allows you to get inside and outsides someones optimal range. Each rifle is built for a purpose as opposed to choosing the weapon with the highest DPS for its range.
You also get the desired effect without worrying a bunch of balancing, so you get kings of CQC (GAL), Middle ground (Minja), and long range (Amarr/Caldari)
It's an interesting balancing idea for sure, but is this realistic? Why would a rail rifle slug do less damage at 5 m than 50m. It just doesn't make any physical sense. I think a better balancing mechanic is the hip fire dispersion. It should be quite large on long range weapons and relatively smaller on CQC weapons. In essence I think the plot should be 3 dimensional (dps, range, accuracy (dispersion))??
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Boot Booter
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:00:00 -
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ConantheCimmerian wrote:
A weapon firing with enough force to cover a long distance would have a high amount of kick unless all the energy can be transferred into the projectile which would be almost impossible without obliterating the projectile thus excess energy will be transferred down the barrel and into the weapon which creates high kick. So internal propulsion of a very tiny projectile is possible? How much energy would it require and how much of X energy can you store within the projectile without making it to light (because it is hollow now) so it won't again, be obliterated.
As for dispersion since there is a lot of kick and you hip firing it it will start kicking everywhere and the bullets will go everywhere; rather than placing the weapon closer to your center of gravity which will mitigate the kick slightly by transferring energy down your body.
Look up the Kriss .45 acp PDW and chexk out its buffer system. Current tech, meant for sustainable accurate fire, mitigating a higher percent of felt recoil than any other available small arm system[/quote]
OK guys, pump the brakes a bit. Obviously we have to make some exceptions for balancing. The point is, having bell curved damage profiles would be not only unrealistic but feel very weird.
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Boot Booter
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Posted - 2014.09.06 06:02:00 -
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^ good point. Actually looking at the other assault variant rifle's dps vs range the AScR falls slightly above. On paper it looks to be the best. However it's recoil is extreme and the current meta is armor, perhaps two reasons why it is underutilized.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:55:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:No, the AScR has almost zero recoil. There is some dispersion however.
Well whatever it is, the thing jumps around like crazy while ADS. I realize it's not actually recoil cause the dot returns to the same spot after.
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Posted - 2014.09.10 17:01:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:ASCR - 20/10 please for the dmg profile.
IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED IT!
i can't believe the ACR scrubs are getting their way by looking at paper stats and not how it's the most underused gun in dust
No. That's not a good idea.
What? Are you using conflicting arguments in the same sentence?
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