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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:09:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:True Adamance wrote:medomai grey wrote:True Adamance wrote:Caldari stuff is notoriously slow....... unless specifically kitted out for speed..... then its about as fast as it gets. By this logic, shouldn't the Caldari tank have more EHP than the Gallente tank in exchange for being slower? Not really..... you don't really find those distinctions in EVE..... Caldari stuff is slow and has a lot of EHP...... Gallente ships are moderately fast for armour tankers....... and also have solid EHP....and drones. But the Caldari tank has less base EHP than the Gallente tank while also being slower. The point being made is, why should players use Caldari tanks when Gallente tanks are faster and have more EHP.
Because when it comes to tank vs tank the caldari has a significant advantage over the gallente.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:21:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I'm trying to understand your "regen modification" but I can't. We are talking about base hp:
Gunnlogi = 2500hp + 1500hp = 4000hp total
Madrugar = 1200hp + 4000hp = 5200hp total
I would say that difference is significant. You are adding shield extenders to the gunnlogi in your example but not armor plates for the madrugar.
And you're talking about Missile tanks........NOTHING beats a Madrugar with a blaster turret 1v1. The only way to kill it is to sneak up on it and hope that all of your shots get in before they have a chance to react.
First off it's 2650hp + 1500hp for Gunnlogi, secondly EVERYTHING beats a Madrugar with a blaster in 1v1. EVERYTHING.
Rail maddy beats it, missile maddy beats it, rail gunny beats it, missile gunny beats it and blaster gunny beats it. Why? Because all those have higher dps (blaster gunny has higher dps cause you can fit dmg mod) and especially when you are in a Gunnlogi you are invulnerable to blasters when you activate your harderner.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:30:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I'm trying to understand your "regen modification" but I can't. We are talking about base hp:
Gunnlogi = 2500hp + 1500hp = 4000hp total
Madrugar = 1200hp + 4000hp = 5200hp total
I would say that difference is significant. You are adding shield extenders to the gunnlogi in your example but not armor plates for the madrugar.
And you're talking about Missile tanks........NOTHING beats a Madrugar with a blaster turret 1v1.
Why have you not accouted for optimised fittings. You are choosing base hulls and telling me that you believe that is an accurate indicator of which tank to pick? I mention the regen modifier because it affects EHP, however I do not have the mathematical bent to work out the effect that armour reps have on EHP. As for the Blaster thing? Really? You can't either blap them as they approach or have the durability on your HAV to last the..... less than 10 second reload speed (with skills)? If you would like to talk about optimised fittings....then it's worse because shield tankers aren't using 3 extenders all of the time. Most of the time, you'll see 2500 hp/2515 hp. Some guys may use one extender to bring it up to 3700hp. But most of the time, shield tankers are using other mods in their high slots instead of extenders.
Because you can fit stuff like dmg mods on the Gunnlogi and still brick tank the armor side. On the Madrugar you can't fit anything other than nitrous and if you are lucky, a scanner on the high slots.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
989
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:35:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Caldari stuff is notoriously slow....... unless specifically kitted out for speed..... then its about as fast as it gets. There is no other instance in Dust where a gallente item is faster than a caldari item. Even back in the closed beta, the type 1 assault suits were slower than the type II assault suits. Madrugars are stacked with 4000hp or armor, I don't understand the logic of why it's faster than a gunnlogi. Maddy's already have the advantage of having more health and their hardeners are better. Why are they faster? try playing eve. gallente stuff is faster and caldari stuff is slower for the most part. its call racial playstyle. when you have a drake that can sit between 2 hostile battleships for 20 minutes without taking any damage you dont need to be able to move fast. try playing Streetfighter Ken is faster but Ryu is stronger (you get my point?)
That's so over simplified that I must reply to that with something equally as oversimplified:
Madrugar is faster, accelerates slower, handles worse. Is weaker against other tanks. Stronger against AV.
Gunnlogi is slower, accelerates faster, handles better. Is stronger against other tanks. Weaker against AV.
Still need to go for even more simple reply?
Madrugar is faster but Gunnlogi is stronger.
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