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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:18:00 -
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For new players.
Since the STD cloak no longer yields a dampening bonus, could there be a fitting reduction for it?
In it's current state it's nearly impossible for players who aren't highly invested into [Scout] Dropsuit Operation and/or their CPU/PG skills to make a decent fitting without completely gimping it.
I'm not saying the cloak should be inconsequential to fit, but what's the point of being 'STD' if you still need a few million SP to reasonably fit it?
I think it'd be fair considering how a STD logi can fit all STD equipment without gimping their fits...
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:32:00 -
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yeah you perty much have to have scout level 3 to even use it |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:37:00 -
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I'd definitely support a PG/CPU reduction for standard cloaks.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:42:00 -
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Agreed. I don't even know of any experienced scouts that would use the STD cloak. Nor would it be of much help to any other suits that want to run it given the short duration. So I don't see what it could hurt.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:42:00 -
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If it were up to me the cloak skill would be nested under dampeners at lvl 3 unlock, but that's a terrible me.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:45:00 -
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its even hard for the minnie scouts to use the cloak so i wouldnt mind if your lvl 5 you get an 85% reduction lvl3 scouts should get a 65% redux.
Why?
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
338
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:If it were up to me the cloak skill would be nested under dampeners at lvl 3 unlock, but that's a terrible me.
this would be great but idc as ive lvl 5 damps.
Why?
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:47:00 -
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I'd like to see a MIL cloak introduced, and the basic light frames receive a fitting bonus to the MIL variant only. This would allow new players to have some exposure to that style of gameplay right from the beginning if they want. It will be weak like all MIL stuff is, but at least new players will have access earlier on.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:48:00 -
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Change the scout dropsuit skill to be 25% base CPU/PG reduction then 10% per level. At level V it's the same reduction (75%), but it scales better for new players.
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noob cavman
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:48:00 -
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Oh hi there.
Welcome to scout investment where the sheer amount of sp to have the tools vitally important to the role is a staggering amount
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P14GU3
Merc-0107
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:51:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Oh hi there.
Welcome to scout investment where the sheer amount of sp to have the tools vitally important to the role is a staggering amount
Oh hi there, try logi...
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Cheydinhal Guard
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.09.02 20:44:00 -
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I use a STD cloak on my knifing fit. It blows, but I only use it to flank or to hide anyway.
IshKnoks or go home.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:02:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:yeah you perty much have to have scout level 3 to even use it
I have level 3 gal scout, and I have t gimp my fit COMPLETELY to fit an adv cloak.
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:For new players.
Since the STD cloak no longer yields a dampening bonus, could there be a fitting reduction for it?
In it's current state it's nearly impossible for players who aren't highly invested into [Scout] Dropsuit Operation and/or their CPU/PG skills to make a decent fitting without completely gimping it.
I'm not saying the cloak should be inconsequential to fit, but what's the point of being 'STD' if you still need a few million SP to reasonably fit it?
I think it'd be fair considering how a STD logi can fit all STD equipment without gimping their fits...
I think all light suits and basic scouts should come with a built in bpo basic cloak with low ditto get requirements.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:04:00 -
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Cheydinhal Guard wrote:I use a STD cloak on my knifing fit. It blows, but I only use it to flank or to hide anyway.
It's like, "Okay, there's 3 enemies over there, 1 heavy beside the point and..." OH CRAP MY CLACK IS GONE!
*dead* T.T
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:11:00 -
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Cloak's high PG/CPU cost is a balancing factor; equipping a cloak is supposed to gimp a suit. Just be glad you have a skill bonus that mitigates that balancing factor and HTFU.
What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:15:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Cloak's high PG/CPU cost is a balancing factor; equipping a cloak is supposed to gimp a suit. Just be glad you have a skill bonus that mitigates that balancing factor and HTFU.
I agree it is needed, however that doesn't the negate the fact that newer scouts are at a significant disadvantage in terms of the SP needed to be effective.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:15:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Cloak's high PG/CPU cost is a balancing factor; equipping a cloak is supposed to gimp a suit. Just be glad you have a skill bonus that mitigates that balancing factor and HTFU.
The thing is, the gimping effect is way too hard for new players to handle. How would you feel if 1 mod took up 75% of all your CPU/PG? you would have to do all basic and sidearms
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:18:00 -
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You're complaining about equipment spam? When that happens, my brother flies me over the enemies, I drop down and claok in the air, and I stealthily flux and knife all the noobs camping lol. Sometimes you just gotta do it yourself and not rely on orbitals.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:28:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:You're complaining about equipment spam? When that happens, my brother flies me over the enemies, I drop down and claok in the air, and I stealthily flux and knife all the noobs camping lol. Sometimes you just gotta do it yourself and not rely on orbitals.
Ummmm... How was he complaining about equipment spam? This thread is about Cloak fitting costs for new players, so...
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:36:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:You're complaining about equipment spam? When that happens, my brother flies me over the enemies, I drop down and claok in the air, and I stealthily flux and knife all the noobs camping lol. Sometimes you just gotta do it yourself and not rely on orbitals. Ummmm... How was he complaining about equipment spam? This thread is about Cloak fitting costs for new players, so...
Oops. How the **** did this show up here? I thought I posted this here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174460&find=unread
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:37:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:You're complaining about equipment spam? When that happens, my brother flies me over the enemies, I drop down and claok in the air, and I stealthily flux and knife all the noobs camping lol. Sometimes you just gotta do it yourself and not rely on orbitals. Ummmm... How was he complaining about equipment spam? This thread is about Cloak fitting costs for new players, so... I made a thread in the past on the evils of deployable equipment spam. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1504032#post1504032
As for Tectonic's criticism, do you feel a new player with a cloak could not do the same? I prefer to control elevated positions with an ADS; to each his/her own.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:40:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Cloak's high PG/CPU cost is a balancing factor; equipping a cloak is supposed to gimp a suit. Just be glad you have a skill bonus that mitigates that balancing factor and HTFU.
Why would I need to HTFU?
I already have my CPU/PG maxed, and my Scout suit's been at Level 3 since Uprising 1.7 dropped. I don't even need to gimp my Cal Scout (though my MinScout does need slight gimping) to fit anything other than stacked PRO gear.
This change in no way affects me, though I fail to see the logic behind forcing lower tier players to gimp their suits just to fit something that the game practically tells them to fit.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:45:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Oh hi there.
Welcome to scout investment where the sheer amount of sp to have the tools vitally important to the role is a staggering amount
The amount of SP required to get a good Scout rig isn't nearly as intensive as an AV, Logi, or Pilot Rig.
Though again, please show me the logic behind having to spend excessive amounts of SP just to fit a decent STD fit. By the time anyone has that kind of SP, they'll most likely have enough ISK to be running ADV/PRO Scouts anyways.
Every item should be useful at lower tiers, Scouts are no exception.
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:05:00 -
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Atiim wrote:medomai grey wrote:Cloak's high PG/CPU cost is a balancing factor; equipping a cloak is supposed to gimp a suit. Just be glad you have a skill bonus that mitigates that balancing factor and HTFU. Why would I need to HTFU? I already have my CPU/PG maxed, and my Scout suit's been at Level 3 since Uprising 1.7 dropped. I don't even need to gimp my Cal Scout (though my MinScout does need slight gimping) to fit anything other than stacked PRO gear. This change in no way affects me, though I fail to see the logic behind forcing lower tier players to gimp their suits just to fit something that the game practically tells them to fit. A reduction to STD cloak PG/CPU cost wouldn't effect you? You are asking for a PG/CPU cost reduction are you not? It would certainly effect me.
NPE is terrible in so many ways. But there is no game mechanic that forces them to use cloaks. And if they choose to, they can for a price, like every non-scout cloak user out there. Is that unfair?
Edit: Scratch that. If they have access to scouts, then they are already getting a fitting bonus for cloaks. So they have it better than non-scout cloak users.
What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
2079
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:42:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:noob cavman wrote:Oh hi there.
Welcome to scout investment where the sheer amount of sp to have the tools vitally important to the role is a staggering amount Oh hi there, try logi...
On a side note I tried a cloak on my Logi ALT (level 5). Fitting wasn't so much the issue as I missed having the other equipment options.
Has anyone analyzed the Predator Logi risks? That was supposed to be a thing but never materialized.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:44:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:P14GU3 wrote:noob cavman wrote:Oh hi there.
Welcome to scout investment where the sheer amount of sp to have the tools vitally important to the role is a staggering amount Oh hi there, try logi... On a side note I tried a cloak on my Logi ALT (level 5). Fitting wasn't so much the issue as I missed having the other equipment options. Has anyone analyzed the Predator Logi risks? That was supposed to be a thing but never materialized.
I am guessing because Logis can't dampen enough for it to matter. Scouts can see them and project them on tacnet, and can see the red chevron over their cloaked head.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:53:00 -
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The argument that cloaks cos too much is absurd. If they didnt have a high pg/cpu cost almost everyone would use one just to be in invisible. Or we could just remove the thing and get rid of the second equipment slot scouts have. Just a thought. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:04:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:The argument that cloaks cos too much is absurd. If they didnt have a high pg/cpu cost almost everyone would use one just to be in invisible. Or we could just remove the thing and get rid of the second equipment slot scouts have. Just a thought.
I think the argument is for cost reduction on STD cloaks, not all cloaks.
With such a low duration, and no dampening ability, I could care less if a heavy wants to run around in a cloak for a few seconds thinking he is invisible. It is not the "I win" button people make it out to be, and certainly not for heavy and medium suits that won't be able to dampen enough to make any difference while cloaked, minus rare moments where there are zero scouts in the vicinity.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:45:00 -
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I personally think cloaks should be free to fit on all scout suits (of course with a nerf to the fittings of all the scout suits by the percentage average of the three on a max core skill scout)
This way, they're not new player unfriendly
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