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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:46:00 -
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Also to the people saying that it gives invisibility...
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Tectonic Fusion
2133
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:47:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:The argument that cloaks cos too much is absurd. If they didnt have a high pg/cpu cost almost everyone would use one just to be in invisible. Or we could just remove the thing and get rid of the second equipment slot scouts have. Just a thought.
They should cost high. It's just scouts should get a blanket 75% fitting reduction. And the SCOUT bonus should be changed to scan radius. You know why? Because I believe that all scouts should scout effectively.
(GIF)
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2237
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:57:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The argument that cloaks cos too much is absurd. If they didnt have a high pg/cpu cost almost everyone would use one just to be in invisible. Or we could just remove the thing and get rid of the second equipment slot scouts have. Just a thought. They should cost high. It's just scouts should get a blanket 75% fitting reduction. And the SCOUT bonus should be changed to scan radius. You know why? Because I believe that all scouts should scout effectively.
Dampening or bust
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Zindorak
1.U.P
790
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:57:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I'd definitely support a PG/CPU reduction for standard cloaks.
yep and maybe a cloak bonus boost of 5%?
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3247
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:23:00 -
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Scout Bonus:
75% Reduction of CPU/PG cost of Cloaks.
No, "per level". Fixed? |
Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3247
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:23:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The argument that cloaks cos too much is absurd. If they didnt have a high pg/cpu cost almost everyone would use one just to be in invisible. Or we could just remove the thing and get rid of the second equipment slot scouts have. Just a thought. They should cost high. It's just scouts should get a blanket 75% fitting reduction. And the SCOUT bonus should be changed to scan radius. You know why? Because I believe that all scouts should scout effectively. Dampening or bust
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
688
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:33:00 -
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Atiim wrote:noob cavman wrote:Oh hi there.
Welcome to scout investment where the sheer amount of sp to have the tools vitally important to the role is a staggering amount The amount of SP required to get a good Scout rig isn't nearly as intensive as an AV, Logi, or Pilot Rig. Though again, please show me the logic behind having to spend excessive amounts of SP just to fit a decent STD fit. By the time anyone has that kind of SP, they'll most likely have enough ISK to be running ADV/PRO Scouts anyways. Every item should be useful at lower tiers, Scouts are no exception.
Yeah, AV has been pretty crazy. Getting those proto forge guns and full sentinel suits took a ton of time. Same went for my logi suit. Scout hasn't been too bad, but then again, I had all the core skills I needed by that time.
Why am I still here yet?
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
282
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:40:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:You're complaining about equipment spam? When that happens, my brother flies me over the enemies, I drop down and claok in the air, and I stealthily flux and knife all the noobs camping lol. Sometimes you just gotta do it yourself and not rely on orbitals. Ummmm... How was he complaining about equipment spam? This thread is about Cloak fitting costs for new players, so... Oops. How the **** did this show up here? I thought I posted this here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174460&find=unread
Derpatron lol |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4717
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:57:00 -
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Passives maxed, couldn't fit Standard Cloak on Minmatar Scout until Level(4).
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
4
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:01:00 -
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Militia cloak. |
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
323
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:03:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:Militia cloak.
Militia has higher fitting cost than standard |
Spectre-M
The Generals
824
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Posted - 2014.09.05 04:48:00 -
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Not until they fix the decloak firing delay. After that I'm all for it. I was just I a match where it literally was just heavys and scouts.
HMGs, REs and shotguns, oh my!
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1966
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Posted - 2014.09.05 05:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:For new players.
Since the STD cloak no longer yields a dampening bonus, could there be a fitting reduction for it?
In it's current state it's nearly impossible for players who aren't highly invested into [Scout] Dropsuit Operation and/or their CPU/PG skills to make a decent fitting without completely gimping it.
I'm not saying the cloak should be inconsequential to fit, but what's the point of being 'STD' if you still need a few million SP to reasonably fit it?
I think it'd be fair considering how a STD logi can fit all STD equipment without gimping their fits...
Good, let the new recruits practice without it and therefore it won't be such a crutch. Same thing with the sniper rifle. Let's put respect back into the profession.
Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2546
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:06:00 -
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Hell. No.
Scouts have an easy enough time sneaking in for murder.
They do not need to get a cpu/pg buff to make surviving getting caught easier. |
Atiim
11935
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Posted - 2014.09.07 18:44:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Hell. No.
Scouts have an easy enough time sneaking in for murder.
They do not need to get a cpu/pg buff to make surviving getting caught easier.
It wouldn't make survivng easier.
Many Scouts are already invested into their Operation Skills, as well as CPU/PG skills to make fitting a STD cloak very easy while still having a good fit. The only people who don't, are the new players using Scouts.
And new players are easy kills regardless of what Dropsuit they're using.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Thurak1
Psygod9
997
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:For new players.
Since the STD cloak no longer yields a dampening bonus, could there be a fitting reduction for it?
In it's current state it's nearly impossible for players who aren't highly invested into [Scout] Dropsuit Operation and/or their CPU/PG skills to make a decent fitting without completely gimping it.
I'm not saying the cloak should be inconsequential to fit, but what's the point of being 'STD' if you still need a few million SP to reasonably fit it?
I think it'd be fair considering how a STD logi can fit all STD equipment without gimping their fits...
Maybe its not so common now but when i started playing in open beta most people skilled into the core skills before even skilling into any 1 dropsuit.
What i consider core skills are armor, shield, cpu and pg skills ( forgot the exact names right now ) that give a % bonus to every dropsuit you wear. This makes even the starter fittings a bit better and never costs any extra isk.
Yes it costs a few million sp but with these skills maxed out you have been playing for a bit and using very cheap gear so you should also have some isk bankrolled.
When you do skill into a suit finally you actually have the isk to buy a few of it and probably fit it with mods and such and not run into many problems with cpu / pg.
Myself i hate the cloak. Yea i play with it when i am either getting a beating in a match or just want to make people hate me.
I consider it a no skill easy mode mostly because i use it on a blueprint dragonfly scout that until cloaks came out i never used. First match i played with a cloaker scout i went 20 /3
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Zindorak
1.U.P
873
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:23:00 -
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Yea i cant even use ADV cloak on ADV Gal scout with ADV electronics and engineering without making sacrifices such as basic Damage mods instead of enhanced. Plus i always have to have an enhanced CPU upgrade no mater what on my ADV Gal scout.
Also its very fragile because i have to add a CPU upgrade.
Pokemon master!
I suck at Tekken lol
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
1045
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:37:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Atiim wrote:For new players.
Since the STD cloak no longer yields a dampening bonus, could there be a fitting reduction for it?
In it's current state it's nearly impossible for players who aren't highly invested into [Scout] Dropsuit Operation and/or their CPU/PG skills to make a decent fitting without completely gimping it.
I'm not saying the cloak should be inconsequential to fit, but what's the point of being 'STD' if you still need a few million SP to reasonably fit it?
I think it'd be fair considering how a STD logi can fit all STD equipment without gimping their fits... I think all light suits and basic scouts should come with a built in bpo basic cloak with low ditto get requirements.
Please no. While I agree many scouts use this as a tool, some of us really dislike using it and forcing it onto a suit is just another aggravating way to try and work around a suit fitting to be built the way you wanted it. All suits should have the freedom to be fit the way the player likes to fit, not the way "most" players think it should be played.
Knights of Ender Director
Logi 4 Life | Youtube Vids
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Zindorak
1.U.P
875
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:39:00 -
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lee corwood wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Atiim wrote:For new players.
Since the STD cloak no longer yields a dampening bonus, could there be a fitting reduction for it?
In it's current state it's nearly impossible for players who aren't highly invested into [Scout] Dropsuit Operation and/or their CPU/PG skills to make a decent fitting without completely gimping it.
I'm not saying the cloak should be inconsequential to fit, but what's the point of being 'STD' if you still need a few million SP to reasonably fit it?
I think it'd be fair considering how a STD logi can fit all STD equipment without gimping their fits... I think all light suits and basic scouts should come with a built in bpo basic cloak with low ditto get requirements. Please no. While I agree many scouts use this as a tool, some of us really dislike using it and forcing it onto a suit is just another aggravating way to try and work around a suit fitting to be built the way you wanted it. All suits should have the freedom to be fit the way the player likes to fit, not the way "most" players think it should be played.
Yas i agree with Lee
Pokemon master!
I suck at Tekken lol
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3112
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:If it were up to me the cloak skill would be nested under dampeners at lvl 3 unlock, but that's a terrible me.
I agree that would be stupid.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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