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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:12:00 -
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In my months of playing this game I have seen two meanings to the term "OP", the item stats or use can be abused and doesn't make sense, or the item is completely unbalanced and wreck everything(other items become irrelevant). So what's with the scrambler, does it wreck or is it abused? The way the forums depicts it, the scambler is broken. It can be a shotgun in CQC, kill you in 3 shots, and deals a great amount of damage to armor. Oh, almost forgot, it fires too fast for a semi automatic. Don't have my stats sheet with me but I will just show the pros, cons, and counters for this incredible OP gun. (In game experience of course)
Pros:
High Alpha Damage(Packs a punch, and good damage to kill weak enemies with one shot)
Charge Shot(Shield Tankers, Low EHP Lights/ Medium frames beware)
High Ammo Magazine(Less need to reload between encounters)
Long Range Weapon
Strong Aim Assists for ADS(Headshots)
Headshot Multiplier
-20/+20(Good for taking out first wave and letting allies finish off armor)
Semi Automatic
Cons:
Semi Automatic
Sidearm is Necessary
-20/+20
Overheat: Unable to sprint, jump,. Can't switch weapons or fire back. Feedback Damage.
No Spray n Pray
Every shot counts
Ineffective Against Multiple Enemies
Counters:
Armor Tankers(Almost Everyone)
Vehicles
Speedy Scouts
Strafing
Rail Rifles, Shotguns, Snipers, Forge Guns, and Nova Knives.
Fixing The Scrambler Rifle:
Reduce Level of Aim Assist
Increase Hipfire spread
Change Overheat to per shot(Don't touch ROF till this happens)
Increase Scope Zoom(a little less than LR)
"Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
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Spectre-M
The Generals
Anime Empire.
791
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:44:00 -
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This is definitely a fair assessment. I just hope it's not removed from the battlefield.
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11933
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:06:00 -
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Umm, you can jump while overheated.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.09.02 06:05:00 -
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Stop trying to balance based on Pubs. You dont see ScR users go 20 kills + with low deaths in PCs. If youre trying to balance the ScR based on how it performs in Pubs against numbskulls you will kill the gun competitively.
Sigh I need to make a post about this but am lacking the will power to.. Might be the last straw for me depending on what CCP decides to do
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
219
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Posted - 2014.09.02 07:12:00 -
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Dont touch RoF eh? You guys went and bought an auto controller or programmable mouse then... |
Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
193
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Posted - 2014.09.02 07:17:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Dont touch RoF eh? You guys went and bought an auto controller or programmable mouse then...
The CR is just as abusable as the ScR when using modded hardware. Maybe we should Nerf the **** out of it too... |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
2199
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Posted - 2014.09.02 07:24:00 -
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I have used this weapon nearly exclusively ever since it was introduced, everything about the weapon is muscle memory now, every engagement is about heat management and I have trained myself to be able to push the limits and engage multiple contacts at once or in quick succession.
The weapon outperforms in Pubs I will admit that, its because Pubs are filled with Milita suits, STD suits, dumb shield tankers and even dumber srmor tankers making it a very bad place to judge balance. I still think the CR is a better weapon for me to fit especially on scouts and other medium frames, its less resource intensive (I skilled into ScR fitting OP 5 and SMG fitting OP to make proper assault builds) better damage profile and overall more reliable and less mechanic management involved to use.
If CCP is not careful with how they handle this overpopularity of ScRs and Amarr Assaults in Pubs it will ruin the weapon in the competitive environment. Please try to wrap your head around this.
This is coming from a ScR user who plays more PCs than pubs.
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.09.02 07:30:00 -
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PC is full of armor tankers using HMG and CR. ScR sees no land there because HMG and CR does more dps to armor, that is how OP the ScR is.  |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
2199
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Posted - 2014.09.02 07:38:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:PC is full of armor tankers using HMG and CR. ScR sees no land there because HMG and CR does more dps to armor, that is how OP the ScR is.
ScR is best for open environments in PC and picking off targets at high ground with massive burst damage.
My hipfire allows me the ability to react to scouts that sneak up on me (to easily finish them off with an SMG having stripped their shields with a well placed, short range, charge volley as well as taking out shields and a bit of armor from heavies before engaging in, an often futile, SMG strafe battle.
It does not see the same effective use as it does in PC. The ScR + Amarr Assault combo is the ultimate 1v1 weapons system, if you are good with your target acquisition, retention and strafing you will never lose a 1v1 while using an Amarr Assault (sans very good heavies) in Pubs where you can literally destroy countless numbers of MLT and STD suits in a matter of seconds, keep in mind that the ultimate counter to the Amarr Assault is being rushed as often times mostly they are unable to manage their heat well enough to engage multiple foes.
Imagine PC where at any given time when 1 person is firing at you more than likely 2 others are around the corner, more often than not you are being engaged by multiple opponents both vehicle and infantry. Most people don't understand the intricacy of managing heat in an environment such as PC compared to a very casual Pub environment.
CCP this is your fault, you have created an exclusive community in terms of the competitive side of Dust and thus you have to deal with people who have played nothing but pubs and have not experienced a proper planetary conquest battle, creating the vicious cycle of nerf/buff we have right now.
It's not too late to fix it
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
2199
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Posted - 2014.09.02 07:42:00 -
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Double Post.
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
881
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Posted - 2014.09.02 08:46:00 -
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No one considered it OP until 2 things happened.
1) FOTM chasers running around in Cal scout suits which are meant to die instantly to the ScR.
2) The Amarr assault got a buff giving people reason to skill into it and take advantage of the heat reduction making it spammable with less chance of overheat.
Hipfire dispersion in combination with the reduced heat build up does make it a little too easy in CQC and changes to 1 of these factors would bring it in line with what it is suppose to be.
Over performance outside of its target area can be seen very clearly in both the rail rifle and the combat rifle. The only reason this is even a discussion is because there are so many Cal scout FOTM scrubs running around skewing the stats. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
725
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Posted - 2014.09.02 09:39:00 -
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ccp is already nerfing the ScR and buffing the AScR so itll still be the same really but people will be useing the AScR instead
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 1 Forum Pariah
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
36
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Posted - 2014.09.02 12:00:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Dont touch RoF eh? You guys went and bought an auto controller or programmable mouse then...
We guys just know how to aim, little noob
Sorry for my bad english ^^
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xavier zor
King and Queens
Peacekeepers of High-Sec
29
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:31:00 -
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There are many fixes I would implement: Increase ISK cost greatly, more kick for every consecutive shot fired, huge kick for charged shot, slight damage reduction (0.5-2hp). This weapon is a semi-automatic rifle....INCREASE GOD DAMN DISPERSION!!!!
If I could do anything, I would increase CPU/PG usage so they can't have to good a sidearm equipped. Also I would increase the overheat mechanism. If these were implemented, I wouldn't change the ROF or damage at all as they balance the stats
Tactical Assault Rifle's for life
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Zindorak
1.U.P
790
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:33:00 -
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It's balanced. Don't listen to the QQ'ers they are drunk . If you know how to handle it skillfully it will reward you
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3425
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:44:00 -
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Imagine if the Forge Gun had no charge time, as soon as you pressed the trigger it fired, the only drawback, there is a 3 second charge time where your movment is resticted directly after.
Does that sound like a fair balanced weapon?
If you said yes why?
If you said No, I jave now explained to you why the ScR is currently OP.
Front loaded weapons don't work as general purpose primaries.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13175
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:47:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:ccp is already nerfing the ScR and buffing the AScR so itll still be the same really but people will be useing the AScR instead
ASCR never should have been touched to begin with.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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David Mustane
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
68
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:57:00 -
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The ScR is way OP. Then add the fact people have to cheat.
Nerf the **** out of the ScR or remove it from the game. A gun with this type of abuse has no place in a FPS.
Well maybe if Dust had a PvE then the ScR wouldn't be so bad, but since its PvP, the ScR need its RoF nerfed to all hell, maxing out at like 10.
And add a damage nerf to make it useless against Armor. It still deals way too much against armor. |
Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
923
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Posted - 2014.09.03 01:01:00 -
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I agree with everything Tibs said.
I have used the ScR for almost 9 months and love it. However I very rarely use the Viziam in PC because in such a competitive environment the ScR has too many drawbacks. The CR is my go to PC weapon because it is way easier to fit, it doesn't overheat, it has the best damage profile and doesn't require me to think about overheat management.
The ONLY reason people hate the ScR is because of the modded controller dbags that are abusing it. If CCP really wanted to address to problem they could make heat buildup per shoot instead of overtime. But that would probably require too much work so we know they will just nerf the ScR and make it useless like they did the TAC AR
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
790
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Posted - 2014.09.03 01:02:00 -
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David Mustane wrote:The ScR is way OP. Then add the fact people have to cheat.
Nerf the **** out of the ScR or remove it from the game. A gun with this type of abuse has no place in a FPS.
Well maybe if Dust had a PvE then the ScR wouldn't be so bad, but since its PvP, the ScR need its RoF nerfed to all hell, maxing out at like 10.
And add a damage nerf to make it useless against Armor. It still deals way too much against armor.
EDIT:
IN trade I'll offer up my RR to be useless against shields. I find the RR drops a hvy's shield faster than the hvy's armor.
CCP you might want to fix you game. Since everything is broken.
If RR gets removed or nerfed to the ground or removed you got a deal
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
383
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Posted - 2014.09.03 01:45:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Dont touch RoF eh? You guys went and bought an auto controller or programmable mouse then... The CR is just as abusable as the ScR when using modded hardware. Maybe we should Nerf the **** out of it too...
Should nerf the **** out of all the semi-auto's... Or buff the crap out of the Tac AR to match them... |
Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3246
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:11:00 -
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I wasn't a daily visitor of the forums back when the TAR got nerfed into oblivion. Perhaps this is how it felt? |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
227
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:27:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Dont touch RoF eh? You guys went and bought an auto controller or programmable mouse then... The CR is just as abusable as the ScR when using modded hardware. Maybe we should Nerf the **** out of it too...
CR was nerfed for the exact same reason. Its Recoil and ROF got hit hard because of turbo controllers.
ANd in the case of the ScR its Heat (Amarr's limiter version of recoil) was nerfed. Turns out it wasnt enough.
For the record - proficiency 5 in ScRs since they were released. Never used anything but ScR and Laser on my main (this guy.)
They need to nerf my chosen gun. THe gun I always use. And they said they will nerf it in the way prescribed. Why? Cause the RoF nerf only hurts turbo controller/macro mice players. Pardon me for being all for pro-nerfcheaters. |
Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1186
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:30:00 -
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The reason that the SCR is OP is the same as the RR, the weapon efficiency is gimped on them.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
831
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:50:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:The reason that the SCR is OP is the same as the RR, the weapon efficiency is gimped on them.
Yea RR does similar damage to both Shields and Armor. It weird
Pokemon master!
I suck at Tekken lol
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
208
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:18:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:The reason that the SCR is OP is the same as the RR, the weapon efficiency is gimped on them.
if you think they should have the same kind of damage curve as the laser then your nuts
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2716
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:27:00 -
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Without charging you can earn a maximum of 3 kills in a row before seizing. And that's cutting it close
Nothing OP about that. Just a lot of people have been using it because Tibs and Darth Carbonite made it famous. Now every n00b that gets killed by it is screamin OP
Roles mastered- HAV/ADS/LDS/Forum Lord/Working on Assault
Pinned down? Let my tank scatter enemies for you v(^_^)v
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zzZaXxx
D3ATH CARD
488
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:30:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:I have used this weapon nearly exclusively ever since it was introduced, everything about the weapon is muscle memory now, every engagement is about heat management and I have trained myself to be able to push the limits and engage multiple contacts at once or in quick succession.
The weapon outperforms in Pubs I will admit that, its because Pubs are filled with Milita suits, STD suits, dumb shield tankers and even dumber srmor tankers making it a very bad place to judge balance. I still think the CR is a better weapon for me to fit especially on scouts and other medium frames, its less resource intensive (I skilled into ScR fitting OP 5 and SMG fitting OP to make proper assault builds) better damage profile and overall more reliable and less mechanic management involved to use.
If CCP is not careful with how they handle this overpopularity of ScRs and Amarr Assaults in Pubs it will ruin the weapon in the competitive environment. Please try to wrap your head around this.
This is coming from a ScR user who plays more PCs than pubs. Why should the rest of us--forced out of PC--care what your experience is like in "the competitive environment." The experience of the larger mass of players is much more important than that of the small group of leet players that have put a fence around PC. |
Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2716
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:32:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:I have used this weapon nearly exclusively ever since it was introduced, everything about the weapon is muscle memory now, every engagement is about heat management and I have trained myself to be able to push the limits and engage multiple contacts at once or in quick succession.
The weapon outperforms in Pubs I will admit that, its because Pubs are filled with Milita suits, STD suits, dumb shield tankers and even dumber srmor tankers making it a very bad place to judge balance. I still think the CR is a better weapon for me to fit especially on scouts and other medium frames, its less resource intensive (I skilled into ScR fitting OP 5 and SMG fitting OP to make proper assault builds) better damage profile and overall more reliable and less mechanic management involved to use.
If CCP is not careful with how they handle this overpopularity of ScRs and Amarr Assaults in Pubs it will ruin the weapon in the competitive environment. Please try to wrap your head around this.
This is coming from a ScR user who plays more PCs than pubs. forced out of PC--care what your experience is like in "the competitive environment." put a fence around PC.
Another topic for another thread another day
Please keep disscusions on topic and constructive- Logibro
Roles mastered- HAV/ADS/LDS/Forum Lord/Working on Assault
Pinned down? Let my tank scatter enemies for you v(^_^)v
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