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LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3289	Posted - 2014.09.01 11:43:00 - [1] - Quote Why? -NK hit detection is more consistent -NKs are quieter and seldom alert other nearby enemies -NKs use no ammo -NKs can two-shot an Onikuma whilst in armor (mmm... that vehicle damage) -NK damage is equally applied to both shield and armor -NKs at Proto require less CPU/PG than a Duvolle Specialist Shotgun -NKs cost less -NKs are a sidearm which leaves room for a decent light weapon to be equipped -NKs benefit more from damage modifiers -You can equip two NKs for maximum badassery! -NK hit detection is more consistent I have boths NKs and SGs to Prof. 4. In my opinion, Shotguns are only better at the lower levels but start to fall short to NKs at ADV: even more so at Proto and with Proficiency. What holds the SG back is its horrible hit detection and the fact that skilling higher into Operations tightens its spread which in effect makes the SG more of a close quarters precision weapon. Also, any lag will throw SG hit detection off even more, often resulting in a lot of "missed" shots. If SG Proficiency was reverted back to its original RoF bonus and if Operations instead increased the effective range or applied the current Proficiency bonus of shield damage, it would be a better weapon. In all, SGs are kind of broken and have been so for a long time. Remember the days when shots would fire away from the direction you were aiming at? Those were some pretty bad times, but at least things have slightly improved. Hell, the cloak has even made SGs appear to be somewhat OP, but in truth, all it really has done is give players a means to cover the mistakes left by an ill-performing weapon. Your thoughts?
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 3947	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:12:00 - [2] - Quote Cause the SG is Gallente. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
A Cactuar Trollolol .inc 8	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:22:00 - [3] - Quote Lol, you can equip knives twice. Because. Kind Regards, Chunky Munkey
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 711	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:24:00 - [4] - Quote firstly NK's are limited to 2.5m max where as shotguns are 1 to 3 hits depending on suit/meta of the shotgun from up to 15 meters away so most NKers i see have smg as sidearm [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3290	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:36:00 - [5] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: firstly NK's are limited to 2.5m max where as shotguns are 1 to 3 hits depending on suit/meta of the shotgun from up to 15 meters away so most NKers i see have smg as sidearm What SG 1-3 shots from 15m? Holy shit, I want what you're using!
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 81	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:20:00 - [6] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: firstly NK's are limited to 2.5m max where as shotguns are 1 to 3 hits depending on suit/meta of the shotgun from up to 15 meters away so most NKers i see have smg as sidearm What SG 1-3 shots from 15m? Holy shit, I want what you're using! Breach? Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5920	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:37:00 - [7] - Quote -Nova knives can attack nonstop by spamming R1 pé¦pé½péªpâêpü»püäpüäpüêpéÆF¿Çpüúpüƒn+ƒ pü»püäpéÆF¿Çpüúpüªpâ¬péñpâòpâ½n+ü
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2220	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:42:00 - [8] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: firstly NK's are limited to 2.5m max where as shotguns are 1 to 3 hits depending on suit/meta of the shotgun from up to 15 meters away so most NKers i see have smg as sidearm What SG 1-3 shots from 15m? Holy shit, I want what you're using! Breach? Good point! But you misspelled it--the proper spelling is LOLBreach "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2220	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:49:00 - [9] - Quote What i really think the SG needs is ridiculous spread at level 0 so that it is impossible to apply the entire spread, but have it tighten down to somewhere between level 3-4 operation by the time you hit Ops5, so that it still has enough spread to almost nullify some of the hit detection issues. Though saying the SG is better than NK's is false--as a dedicated CQC minmitar scout, I have everything at proto from SG's, NK's, CR's, SMG's, and RE's. All these weapons have different roles in CQC where one fare better. The SG will beat the NK's every time unless the NK scout is a better player. The CR will beat shotgun every time unless the user lands 100% of the first shot at under 5m. The SMG will beat the NK in CQC if the user misses the first slash (the slash sound is much too loud ATM) "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Arcturis Vanguard Murphys-Law 274	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:51:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: firstly NK's are limited to 2.5m max where as shotguns are 1 to 3 hits depending on suit/meta of the shotgun from up to 15 meters away so most NKers i see have smg as sidearm What SG 1-3 shots from 15m? Holy shit, I want what you're using! Breach? Good point! But you misspelled it--the proper spelling is LOLBreach Breach as two round clip... Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2220	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:53:00 - [11] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: firstly NK's are limited to 2.5m max where as shotguns are 1 to 3 hits depending on suit/meta of the shotgun from up to 15 meters away so most NKers i see have smg as sidearm What SG 1-3 shots from 15m? Holy shit, I want what you're using! Breach? Good point! But you misspelled it--the proper spelling is LOLBreach Breach as two round clip... Thats the point The only time the breach is good is if you see a SG scout running at you at 20 meters away, you can plug him from 15 "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Mejt0 The Only Survivor. 446	Posted - 2014.09.01 14:50:00 - [12] - Quote IMO SG>NK in PC. Even thought SG have broken hit detection. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 82	Posted - 2014.09.01 15:34:00 - [13] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Thats the point The only time the breach is good is if you see a SG scout running at you at 20 meters away, you can plug him from 15 I wreck better with a breach than the regular just because of its already tight spread though... Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3307	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:02:00 - [14] - Quote This has now turned into a Breach SG thread.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2220	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:07:00 - [15] - Quote breach shotgun on a gallente assault your welcome Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3311	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:10:00 - [16] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: breach shotgun on a gallente assault your welcome I can't "breach" well. If by chance my first shot misses, I'm screwed. With NKs, I can keep the pressure on with a bunch of R1 spam and jumping sprint charged shots.
Tectonic Fusion 2107	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:16:00 - [17] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: breach shotgun on a gallente assault your welcome I can't "breach" well. If by chance my first shot misses, I'm screwed. With NKs, I can keep the pressure on with a bunch of R1 spam and jumping sprint charged shots. And if they backpeddle and can aim? (GIF)
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2220	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:19:00 - [18] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: breach shotgun on a gallente assault your welcome I can't "breach" well. If by chance my first shot misses, I'm screwed. With NKs, I can keep the pressure on with a bunch of R1 spam and jumping sprint charged shots. And if they backpeddle and can aim? then youve wasted way to much time and should of just bailed when the original knife slash missed NEVER try to salvage a failed knifing... just bail and re-approch Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3066	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:19:00 - [19] - Quote But NK's require skill and a whole lot of scouts are scrubs, I've taken on 2-3 NK scouts in my assault suit simultaneously and won because they are just that bad. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Zindorak 1.U.P 775	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:29:00 - [20] - Quote Shotgun scouts are scrubs anyways Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2230	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:10:00 - [21] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: But NK's require skill and a whole lot of scouts are scrubs, I've taken on 2-3 NK scouts in my assault suit simultaneously and won because they are just that bad. Yeah all of those scrubby scouts "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Tectonic Fusion 2111	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:40:00 - [22] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Shotgun scouts are scrubs anyways Unless they aren't. Some players are just good with it. (GIF)
iliel 0uter.Heaven 148	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:43:00 - [23] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: breach shotgun on a gallente assault your welcome I can't "breach" well. If by chance my first shot misses, I'm screwed. With NKs, I can keep the pressure on with a bunch of R1 spam and jumping sprint charged shots. basic knives on militia min sentinel. you're welcome.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3068	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:45:00 - [24] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: But NK's require skill and a whole lot of scouts are scrubs, I've taken on 2-3 NK scouts in my assault suit simultaneously and won because they are just that bad. Yeah all of those scrubby scouts I hear this Gavrilo guy doesn't have any gun game Tanker/Logi/Assault
Tectonic Fusion 2111	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:48:00 - [25] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: But NK's require skill and a whole lot of scouts are scrubs, I've taken on 2-3 NK scouts in my assault suit simultaneously and won because they are just that bad. Yeah all of those scrubby scouts I hear this Gavrilo guy doesn't have any gun game Indeed. I could probably figure 8 strafe and he would miss 80% of his shots. (GIF)
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 395	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:01:00 - [26] - Quote Let me know the next time you see a scout get 8+ kills in 30 seconds with nova knives like I saw J0LLY R0G3R do with a shotgun a few days ago Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Zindorak 1.U.P 777	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:04:00 - [27] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zindorak wrote: Shotgun scouts are scrubs anyways Unless they aren't. Some players are just good with it. It's easy mode Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 82	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:17:00 - [28] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zindorak wrote: Shotgun scouts are scrubs anyways Unless they aren't. Some players are just good with it. It's easy mode Anytime multiple people get into a certain weapon or playstyle on this game it automatically turns into an easy mode or nerf... that is the dust community Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Tectonic Fusion 2113	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:20:00 - [29] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zindorak wrote: Shotgun scouts are scrubs anyways Unless they aren't. Some players are just good with it. It's easy mode Compared to what? The heavy machine gun? The combat rifle? The rail rifle...or the assault rifle? Lol don't kid yourself. It's a decent weapon. Nova Knives are far more useful. (GIF)


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