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Draven Kjyu
RECTUM Damn near killed em
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:08:00 -
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You say that vehicles haven't been changed enough to deserve any respecs... It's not the fact that you've changed tanks, it's the fact that a full-proto tank can be taken out by a single person in a Min. Commando suit, or as just happened, a GK.0 Scout with proto swarms, and in less than a second or two.
Tanks used to be viable. Now? Now, vehicles can't even land half of the time. You buffed the turrets, buffed the AV, buffed everything. The last thing you did to vehicles was nerf them. How can you say that buffing all of the AV and nerfing the vehicles themselves is not deserving of a respec?
I have nearly 23m SP invested solely into vehicles, as well as probably $200 of aurum over time. Before the av buff and the vehicle nerf, you needed one tank to take out another tank. Now all you need is a swarm launcher and a nano hive, and you can sit out of a tanks' height limit and laugh as they run.
So now, for the last time, either balance the av and tanks, give out respecs, or reintroduce the damned enforcer HAV's, Logistic/Scout LAV's, and the Logi Dropships!
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
253
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:14:00 -
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A tank can still be dominant in the field. Quit your bitching. I have a 10 mil tank alt and have no problem avoiding swarms or av scouts. Taking into consideration the amount of SP you have in tanks you should have even less of a problem with them. There has already been a vehicle respec btw. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2377
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:19:00 -
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Wait... the forgegun got buffed?
So my assault forge charge time is back to 2.5 seconds and standard forges back to 3?
Nope.
Is my damage back up to chromo...
nope.
OH WAIT! MY HEAVY DAMAGE MODS WERE BUF...
Nope.
I'm sorry what nerfs have been undone on AV?
And I'm sorry but swarms have been subpar since the three months of glory they had over a year ago. |
Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2680
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:22:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:A tank can still be dominant in the field. Quit your bitching. I have a 10 mil tank alt and have no problem avoiding swarms or av scouts. Taking into consideration the amount of SP you have in tanks you should have even less of a problem with them. There has already been a vehicle respec btw.
Unless the skill tree gets tinkered with.
We never got out sp for logistic dropship or enforcers back
Bring These Back
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:24:00 -
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Proto swarms were nerfed.
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Draven Kjyu
RECTUM Damn near killed em
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:04:00 -
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Nerfed my ass. I got popped with two sets of swarms from a min. commando proto, and I was running dual hardeners with 5k armor. Tell me how swarms have been nerfed? |
Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:09:00 -
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Draven Kjyu wrote:Nerfed my ass. I got popped with two sets of swarms from a min. commando proto, and I was running dual hardeners with 5k armor. Tell me how swarms have been nerfed?
You got killed by someone using dual swarms? Props to them. They were defenseless, you could have hopped out of your murder fortress and killed them with an Ion Pistol. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9172
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:14:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Draven Kjyu wrote:Nerfed my ass. I got popped with two sets of swarms from a min. commando proto, and I was running dual hardeners with 5k armor. Tell me how swarms have been nerfed? You got killed by someone using dual swarms? Props to them. They were defenseless, you could have hopped out of your murder fortress and killed them with an Ion Pistol.
Or just backed up into them.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2177
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:17:00 -
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its not a full proto tank...
its a standard tank as there arnt any advance or proto vehicles in the game
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Gabriel Ceja
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:32:00 -
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Wait so you're telling me a weapon whose purpose is to attack and destroy vehicles popped your tank  I'm shocked.
If you stayed there long enough to know he has dual swarms you deserve to be popped.
Also tanks are still good I have no problem running my tank and the only time I'm really in trouble against swarms is when they have multiple av out there.
Though there are obviously a few more things to work out over the battle between tanks and av this is the most balanced it's been in a while.
...on a side note I'm gonna go out on limb here and guess before bravo all you ran was railgun glass cannons
"Throw on the flux capacitor."
activates fuel injector
"WOOOOOO!!!"
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13108
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:38:00 -
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Draven Kjyu wrote:You say that vehicles haven't been changed enough to deserve any respecs... It's not the fact that you've changed tanks, it's the fact that a full-proto tank can be taken out by a single person in a Min. Commando suit, or as just happened, a GK.0 Scout with proto swarms, and in less than a second or two.
Tanks used to be viable. Now? Now, vehicles can't even land half of the time. You buffed the turrets, buffed the AV, buffed everything. The last thing you did to vehicles was nerf them. How can you say that buffing all of the AV and nerfing the vehicles themselves is not deserving of a respec?
I have nearly 23m SP invested solely into vehicles, as well as probably $200 of aurum over time. Before the av buff and the vehicle nerf, you needed one tank to take out another tank. Now all you need is a swarm launcher and a nano hive, and you can sit out of a tanks' height limit and laugh as they run.
So now, for the last time, either balance the av and tanks, give out respecs, or reintroduce the damned enforcer HAV's, Logistic/Scout LAV's, and the Logi Dropships!
You are 6 months too late bro....................
You apparently revelled in the 1.7 changes where your HAV was a death machine and ruined everyone's games and your results lulled you into thinking that being invincible and having the greatest fire power made you skilled at your craft......
RIP 1.3-1.5 where tankers were good and few disputed it.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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CommanderBolt
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1435
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:48:00 -
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This game is dying anyway, no new news on the horizon for Legion and EVE is also dying. I think its time CCP pulled their socks up and did something otherwise their player-base will be anaemic very soon.
-=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=-
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
"I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
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CommanderBolt
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1435
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Draven Kjyu wrote:You say that vehicles haven't been changed enough to deserve any respecs... It's not the fact that you've changed tanks, it's the fact that a full-proto tank can be taken out by a single person in a Min. Commando suit, or as just happened, a GK.0 Scout with proto swarms, and in less than a second or two.
Tanks used to be viable. Now? Now, vehicles can't even land half of the time. You buffed the turrets, buffed the AV, buffed everything. The last thing you did to vehicles was nerf them. How can you say that buffing all of the AV and nerfing the vehicles themselves is not deserving of a respec?
I have nearly 23m SP invested solely into vehicles, as well as probably $200 of aurum over time. Before the av buff and the vehicle nerf, you needed one tank to take out another tank. Now all you need is a swarm launcher and a nano hive, and you can sit out of a tanks' height limit and laugh as they run.
So now, for the last time, either balance the av and tanks, give out respecs, or reintroduce the damned enforcer HAV's, Logistic/Scout LAV's, and the Logi Dropships!
You are 6 months too late bro.................... You apparently revelled in the 1.7 changes where your HAV was a death machine and ruined everyone's games and your results lulled you into thinking that being invincible and having the greatest fire power made you skilled at your craft...... RIP 1.3-1.5 where tankers were good and few disputed it.
Mate RIP Chromosome. The best this game ever was by far. I dont know how one company can spend a year changing things yet still have an inferior product to the beta......
-=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=-
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
"I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9173
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:07:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:This game is dying anyway, no new news on the horizon for Legion and EVE is also dying. I think its time CCP pulled their socks up and did something otherwise their player-base will be anaemic very soon.
I heard the same **** for WoW and the same **** for LoL and the same **** for GW and the... my point here is that there is no point in saying those MMO are dying. Anyone who says [insert game here] is dying is just some troll.
Except for Dust. This game really is on its last leg of its journey.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:This game is dying anyway, no new news on the horizon for Legion and EVE is also dying. I think its time CCP pulled their socks up and did something otherwise their player-base will be anaemic very soon. I heard the same **** for WoW and the same **** for LoL and the same **** for GW and the... my point here is that there is no point in saying those MMO are dying. Anyone who says [insert game here] is dying is just some troll. Except for Dust. This game really is on its last leg of its journey.
He's actually 100% right about this for once.
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:51:00 -
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Draven Kjyu wrote:Nerfed my ass. I got popped with two sets of swarms from a min. commando proto, and I was running dual hardeners with 5k armor. Tell me how swarms have been nerfed? because you had a crappy fit tank LOL no wonder you are haveing problems.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:40:00 -
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Draven Kjyu wrote:You say that vehicles haven't been changed enough to deserve any respecs... It's not the fact that you've changed tanks, it's the fact that a full-proto tank can be taken out by a single person in a Min. Commando suit, or as just happened, a GK.0 Scout with proto swarms, and in less than a second or two.
Tanks used to be viable. Now? Now, vehicles can't even land half of the time. You buffed the turrets, buffed the AV, buffed everything. The last thing you did to vehicles was nerf them. How can you say that buffing all of the AV and nerfing the vehicles themselves is not deserving of a respec?
I have nearly 23m SP invested solely into vehicles, as well as probably $200 of aurum over time. Before the av buff and the vehicle nerf, you needed one tank to take out another tank. Now all you need is a swarm launcher and a nano hive, and you can sit out of a tanks' height limit and laugh as they run.
So now, for the last time, either balance the av and tanks, give out respecs, or reintroduce the damned enforcer HAV's, Logistic/Scout LAV's, and the Logi Dropships!
They might be bringing back the next tier in HAV's so it might happen with the Delta drop or right after , so don't quote me on that but I've seen where others in the community have mentioned it to the DEV's and they didn't brush them to the side so there might be some hope .
The problem might be how to bring them back into the game without breaking the already fragile state of vehicles versus anti-vehicle .
Refunds , I don't know if it will be partial or full , should be addressed soon and hopefully they will just allow those who choose to , to file a ticket by a certain date so as to allow those who would like one to have what they wish and at the same time , not bothering those who don't want one .
I think that the problem is more or less the overwhelming state of the ground vehicles versus air as far as items that can be used effectively as a deterrent .
That's not balanced to me at all but I'm not in the " think tank " so it doesn't matter what I think but it's not balanced .
Anti-vehicle should not be a focus to destroy ground forces , while running off air forces .
It should be the same for both and with the same amount of skilled weapons against both but that's not the case at all .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Tardthe GrumpyCat
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:07:00 -
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Draven Kjyu wrote:You say that vehicles haven't been changed enough to deserve any respecs... It's not the fact that you've changed tanks, it's the fact that a full-proto tank can be taken out by a single person in a Min. Commando suit, or as just happened, a GK.0 Scout with proto swarms, and in less than a second or two.
Tanks used to be viable. Now? Now, vehicles can't even land half of the time. You buffed the turrets, buffed the AV, buffed everything. The last thing you did to vehicles was nerf them. How can you say that buffing all of the AV and nerfing the vehicles themselves is not deserving of a respec?
I have nearly 23m SP invested solely into vehicles, as well as probably $200 of aurum over time. Before the av buff and the vehicle nerf, you needed one tank to take out another tank. Now all you need is a swarm launcher and a nano hive, and you can sit out of a tanks' height limit and laugh as they run.
So now, for the last time, either balance the av and tanks, give out respecs, or reintroduce the damned enforcer HAV's, Logistic/Scout LAV's, and the Logi Dropships!
There aren't any prototype tanks. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:21:00 -
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I only play dead games. They're the best.
Dust Loyalist
Greedy Bastards
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:25:00 -
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Hot fix delta = respec, they will be dinking around with side-arms which is the last major fix thingy. Therefor I can't see any reason for there not to be a respec by delta.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1451
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:34:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:A tank can still be dominant in the field. Quit your bitching. I have a 10 mil tank alt and have no problem avoiding swarms or av scouts. Taking into consideration the amount of SP you have in tanks you should have even less of a problem with them. There has already been a vehicle respec btw. Unless the skill tree gets tinkered with. We never got our sp for logistic dropship or enforcers back
Never got your SP for Enforcer tanks back?
Really?
I feel like my buddies would have mentioned being out those Millions of SP... Learned something new.
If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.
Also, Raptors...
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
84
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:02:00 -
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[quote=Draven Kjyu]Nerfed my ass. I got popped with two sets of swarms from a min. commando proto, and I was running dual hardeners with 5k armor. Tell me how swarms have been nerfed?[/quo]
*points and laughs * learn to tank. If you stand still long enough for a swarmer to fire 3 vollies reload and fire 3 More and you expect to live just because you have dual hardeners and 5k armor then you need to learn to tank properly. Yes proto swarms were nerfed.
The walking Missile tank
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:04:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote: I can't see any reason for there not to be a respec by delta.
You know, except for 10 years of CCP history...
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:36:00 -
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:39:00 -
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Draven Kjyu wrote:You say that vehicles haven't been changed enough to deserve any respecs... It's not the fact that you've changed tanks, it's the fact that a full-proto tank can be taken out by a single person in a Min. Commando suit, or as just happened, a GK.0 Scout with proto swarms, and in less than a second or two.
Tanks used to be viable. Now? Now, vehicles can't even land half of the time. You buffed the turrets, buffed the AV, buffed everything. The last thing you did to vehicles was nerf them. How can you say that buffing all of the AV and nerfing the vehicles themselves is not deserving of a respec?
I have nearly 23m SP invested solely into vehicles, as well as probably $200 of aurum over time. Before the av buff and the vehicle nerf, you needed one tank to take out another tank. Now all you need is a swarm launcher and a nano hive, and you can sit out of a tanks' height limit and laugh as they run.
So now, for the last time, either balance the av and tanks, give out respecs, or reintroduce the damned enforcer HAV's, Logistic/Scout LAV's, and the Logi Dropships!
Did you not see the 6 page thread going on about respecs?
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:56:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:A tank can still be dominant in the field. Quit your bitching. I have a 10 mil tank alt and have no problem avoiding swarms or av scouts. Taking into consideration the amount of SP you have in tanks you should have even less of a problem with them. There has already been a vehicle respec btw. Unless the skill tree gets tinkered with. We never got our sp for logistic dropship or enforcers back
You did get your SP back; the entire vehicle skill tree was refunded when they took those out.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Fix supply depots
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5873
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:14:00 -
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lolno
When Dust came out of beta, CCP said there would be no respecs.
They should have stuck to their word. There has NEVER been a reason to respec since launch.
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Nrabatar Zorig
Nos Nothi
238
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:10:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:This game is dying anyway, no new news on the horizon for Legion and EVE is also dying. I think its time CCP pulled their socks up and did something otherwise their player-base will be anaemic very soon.
I always remember this whenever someone says that EVE is dying.
Congratulations, you just contributed to that statistic where EVE has been dying since 2003.
Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
99
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:18:00 -
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Quit your bitching. If your in your proto fit tank and your getting destroyed by 1 AV'er you shouldnt be tanking. Cry babies like you are the guys that give tankers a bad name. Tanks got nerfed because they were God mode. Installations got buffed because they were completely useless. The only kInd of AV that got buffed were mlt-ADV swarms, and that was because they were garbage. Stfu, learn how to tank.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Up and coming Python pilot.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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The True Inferno
Myrmidon Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:33:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:A tank can still be dominant in the field. Quit your bitching. I have a 10 mil tank alt and have no problem avoiding swarms or av scouts. Taking into consideration the amount of SP you have in tanks you should have even less of a problem with them. There has already been a vehicle respec btw. Unless the skill tree gets tinkered with. We never got our sp for logistic dropship or enforcers back
But wait! They can still readd them to the game!
I have watched the hot fixes and noticed it still very, VERY possible for them to readd them back to the game, and it wouldnt be that hard either, requiring a mere hotfix.
Currently I've seen them add and edit skills (a vehicle armor skill and scout/assault skills), add vehicles and suits to the game w/ different textures and new item rows to the game (contact grenades and pilot suits) all of which could be used to remake the logi, scout, enforcer and marauder vehicles.
ScP = GÖÑ
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