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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:05:00 -
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Since closed beta i have always been a scout shotgunner, and completely enjoyed every single minute of it. After the beta and we went into uprising I chose to continue being a scout shotgunner but instead of staying with the gal scout i switched to the min scout because i loved the nk as a side arm and always used it.
Back then the shotguns had an increase to their rate of fire through there proficiency skill so they they did the exact same amount of damage when they fired but they were able to fire a bit more faster, now what that did was enable a scout who has on average 200-300 hp to survive a heavy or damage modded light weapon.
Now here we are a little while after all the proficiency skills were changed so that they did extra damage to either shields or armor and they changed the shotgun proficiency skill as well, but what they did was not make them any better, in fact it is just the opposite of that, they managed to make the shotguns worst then they were before.
Without the rate of fire increase, no matter how high your eWAR skills are, even if you are cloaked, as soon as you fire and the enemy knows you are there you are dead. Especially with the way the burst hmg is being spammed like crazy, you can be as sneaky as you want, you fire and then you are spotted and you are dead. Now with the increase to rate of fire it give you a chance to be to able fire a second time before they finish turning around, and that can mean the difference between life and death.
All I am trying to say is that the shotguns were perfect long before CCP changed everything around, so why did they have to go and mess it up on us? |
Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
324
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:09:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Since closed beta i have always been a scout shotgunner, and completely enjoyed every single minute of it. After the beta and we went into uprising I chose to continue being a scout shotgunner but instead of staying with the gal scout i switched to the min scout because i loved the nk as a side arm and always used it.
Back then the shotguns had an increase to their rate of fire through there proficiency skill so they they did the exact same amount of damage when they fired but they were able to fire a bit more faster, now what that did was enable a scout who has on average 200-300 hp to survive a heavy or damage modded light weapon.
Now here we are a little while after all the proficiency skills were changed so that they did extra damage to either shields or armor and they changed the shotgun proficiency skill as well, but what they did was not make them any better, in fact it is just the opposite of that, they managed to make the shotguns worst then they were before.
Without the rate of fire increase, no matter how high your eWAR skills are, even if you are cloaked, as soon as you fire and the enemy knows you are there you are dead. Especially with the way the burst hmg is being spammed like crazy, you can be as sneaky as you want, you fire and then you are spotted and you are dead. Now with the increase to rate of fire it give you a chance to be to able fire a second time before they finish turning around, and that can mean the difference between life and death.
All I am trying to say is that the shotguns were perfect long before CCP changed everything around, so why did they have to go and mess it up on us? That and then for me usually i can shoot the heavy twice and only one of my shots will connect even though my screen had an X and their sheilds flicker but no damage.
Why?
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
81
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:21:00 -
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You put knives on a shotgun fit?! When do you use the knives and when do you use the shotgun?
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Frost Kitty
Opus Arcana
134
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:25:00 -
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completely agree. honestly I would rather them remove the cloak and undue the scout buff instead of nerfing the shotgun. the only people who complained about scouts before were people who didn't know how to use them anyway. they were fine back then.
Right Meow!
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3382
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:26:00 -
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Rattati has confirmed the Shotgun is currently over peforming like ScR and the BHMG. If your having trouble 2-shotting a player, side step left and aim right, between your movement amd theirs they still won't catch you.
Problem solved.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
936
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:31:00 -
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what did they change with the shotguns? in 1.7 they just need the hit detection fix, faster ads turning, and more range/ammo along with new iron sights to replace the godawful ones they have now. was any of that added?
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Tectonic Fusion
2070
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:33:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Rattati has confirmed the Shotgun is currently over peforming like ScR and the BHMG. If your having trouble 2-shotting a player, side step left and aim right, between your movement amd theirs they still won't catch you.
Problem solved. The problem is for good players, the shotgun is useless as they an just backpeddle. But it's OP in Pubs, as blueberrys have no gun game. EDIT: Nyer see.
(GIF)
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Diurnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
12
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:33:00 -
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Frost Kitty wrote:completely agree. honestly I would rather them remove the cloak and undue the scout buff instead of nerfing the shotgun. the only people who complained about scouts before were people who didn't know how to use them anyway. they were fine back then. Nuuu I needs my scrub clack
Nocturnal Soul's Alt
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Tectonic Fusion
2070
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:36:00 -
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Frost Kitty wrote:completely agree. honestly I would rather them remove the cloak and undue the scout buff instead of nerfing the shotgun. the only people who complained about scouts before were people who didn't know how to use them anyway. they were fine back then. The thing is, scounts were only useful back then because not many people used scouts. Now even the scrubs got use to them and if they aren't as good, we will have a hard time.
(GIF)
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3346
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:36:00 -
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http://youtu.be/hainxMVk84Q Like this.
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
262
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:39:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Rattati has confirmed the Shotgun is currently over peforming like ScR and the BHMG. If your having trouble 2-shotting a player, side step left and aim right, between your movement amd theirs they still won't catch you.
Problem solved.
The shotgun does not perform anywhere near the ScR, CCP has never been honest with any of the info they provide unless they showed numbers along with it.
Since the last hotfix a number of people have started to buy shotgun as there light weapon because of how popular the scouts became. Strafing is not the simple fix to using a scout with a shotgun, try running as a scout before spouting jiberish. The slow rate of fire means that if you don't 1 shot the enemy then you are dead, plain and simple. Now I'm not trying to be able 1 shot anything except maybe a light suit or starter fit medium frame, but what I'm trying to say ios that the RoF redcution hurt shotguns way more then helped them with the damage buff
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4554
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:41:00 -
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Proficiency should be reverted to RoF
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Tectonic Fusion
2070
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:42:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Rattati has confirmed the Shotgun is currently over peforming like ScR and the BHMG. If your having trouble 2-shotting a player, side step left and aim right, between your movement amd theirs they still won't catch you.
Problem solved. The shotgun does not perform anywhere near the ScR, CCP has never been honest with any of the info they provide unless they showed numbers along with it. Since the last hotfix a number of people have started to buy shotgun as there light weapon because of how popular the scouts became. Strafing is not the simple fix to using a scout with a shotgun, try running as a scout before spouting jiberish. The slow rate of fire means that if you don't 1 shot the enemy then you are dead, plain and simple. Now I'm not trying to be able 1 shot anything except maybe a light suit or starter fit medium frame, but what I'm trying to say ios that the RoF redcution hurt shotguns way more then helped them with the damage buff Or the Assault Rifle, Combat Rifle, or Rail Rifle.
(GIF)
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4433
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:43:00 -
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Frost Kitty wrote:completely agree. honestly I would rather them remove the cloak and undue the scout buff instead of nerfing the shotgun. the only people who complained about scouts before were people who didn't know how to use them anyway. they were fine back then.
Have you recovered from that King Thunderbolt beat down on YouTube?
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
262
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:43:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:what did they change with the shotguns? in 1.7 they just need the hit detection fix, faster ads turning, and more range/ammo along with new iron sights to replace the godawful ones they have now. was any of that added?
The original proficiency skill for the shotguns never gave a flat damage increase like every other weapon in the game, it gave an increase to RoF, and that allowed a scout to be able to go toe to toe with any other suit and weapon in the game. Now it gives a bonus damage to armor.
Now while a lot of people would think that extra damage is way better then RoF, but the shotguns did more then enough damage to begin with and with the slow RoF they needed that increase to be able defend against things like heavy and assault suits.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
526
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:06:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Rattati has confirmed the Shotgun is currently over peforming like ScR and the BHMG. If your having trouble 2-shotting a player, side step left and aim right, between your movement amd theirs they still won't catch you.
Problem solved. The shotgun does not perform anywhere near the ScR, CCP has never been honest with any of the info they provide unless they showed numbers along with it. Since the last hotfix a number of people have started to buy shotgun as there light weapon because of how popular the scouts became. Strafing is not the simple fix to using a scout with a shotgun, try running as a scout before spouting jiberish. The slow rate of fire means that if you don't 1 shot the enemy then you are dead, plain and simple. Now I'm not trying to be able 1 shot anything except maybe a light suit or starter fit medium frame, but what I'm trying to say ios that the RoF redcution hurt shotguns way more then helped them with the damage buff Are you implying they would lie about the numbers in some great conspiracy to nerf shotguns? |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
264
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:12:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:843-Vika wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Rattati has confirmed the Shotgun is currently over peforming like ScR and the BHMG. If your having trouble 2-shotting a player, side step left and aim right, between your movement amd theirs they still won't catch you.
Problem solved. The shotgun does not perform anywhere near the ScR, CCP has never been honest with any of the info they provide unless they showed numbers along with it. Since the last hotfix a number of people have started to buy shotgun as there light weapon because of how popular the scouts became. Strafing is not the simple fix to using a scout with a shotgun, try running as a scout before spouting jiberish. The slow rate of fire means that if you don't 1 shot the enemy then you are dead, plain and simple. Now I'm not trying to be able 1 shot anything except maybe a light suit or starter fit medium frame, but what I'm trying to say ios that the RoF redcution hurt shotguns way more then helped them with the damage buff Are you implying they would lie about the numbers in some great conspiracy to nerf shotguns?
No but thiss change came long before now, this came when they changed all the proficiency skills, so there numbers as of now don't reflect that.
Also number do not reflect how things really are, not to mention that ccp has said lots of things that either didn't happen or were totally incorrect. |
Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
2032
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:16:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Rattati has confirmed the Shotgun is currently over peforming like ScR and the BHMG. If your having trouble 2-shotting a player, side step left and aim right, between your movement amd theirs they still won't catch you.
Problem solved. The problem is for good players, the shotgun is useless as they an just backpeddle. But it's OP in Pubs, as blueberrys have no gun game. EDIT: Nyer see. Another way the data could be misinterpreted could be the cloaking bias. It certainly wouldn't hurt to divide the data into groups, cloakers, non-cloaking scouts, Assaults, etc.
Regardless CCP Rattati or CCP Logibro going to need to explain the why of any changes and the aimed goal. I don't expect CCP to share the questionable data but only a fool takes a claim solely at face value. Note that Monkey MAC is obviously not a fool, he's just repeating CCP Rattati's claims.
When it comes to evading with the Logi ALT I was actually bunny hopping to mess with shot gunners. Doing a little DDR mixed with bunny hopping and spamming your position with mass driver rounds is hilariously awesome.
I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers.
Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:20:00 -
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Shotguns are why you never see me run anything other than long long range cheap. Mlt assault ..they should be nerfed definitely over performing ...Or maybe scout in general are over performing...ahh Idc it's not my role ..may your nerf bat swing be wild and reckless ratatti
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
266
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:29:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Shotguns are why you never see me run anything other than long long range cheap. Mlt assault ..they should be nerfed definitely over performing ...Or maybe scout in general are over performing...ahh Idc it's not my role ..may your nerf bat swing be wild and reckless ratatti
How does a shotgun over perform?
It can 1 shot a non hp tanked scout, 2-3 shot an assault unless they are militia, and it take 3-4 shots to kill a heavy, all with in a 5m range which puts the user at insta-death range of every single weapon except the nova knives. The RoF is so low that unless you are lucky enough to 1 shot someone and they start to turn around you are dead, mostly because now you have a person moving around to avoid any follow up shots.
If anything the shotguns under perform from what they are supposed to do. |
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
416
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:37:00 -
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Shootgun over performing? Its like saying PLC is OP.
To avoid SG you just backpedal and few shoot him. As it takes 2-3 shoots to kills assault/logi (proper assault/logi) and around 4 to kill proper sentiniel.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
701
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:48:00 -
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I stick strongly to Shotgun Scouts are scrubs.
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Frost Kitty
Opus Arcana
136
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:32:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Frost Kitty wrote:completely agree. honestly I would rather them remove the cloak and undue the scout buff instead of nerfing the shotgun. the only people who complained about scouts before were people who didn't know how to use them anyway. they were fine back then. Have you recovered from that King Thunderbolt beat down on YouTube? You mean the match where I went 37-5? He jumped off the roof with a thousand armor heavy. I was using an Scr with a speed stacked scout suit. anybody would have died in that situation. :P
Right Meow!
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
266
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:10:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I stick strongly to Shotgun Scouts are scrubs.
And we strongly believe you are just very butt hurt and should look in the mirror before calling someone else a scrub |
NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
2026
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:06:00 -
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I don't know about that... A little increase in ROF would be nice... But My SG seems to work just fine.. But if i miss the first shot, i'm dead for sure lol |
Tectonic Fusion
2071
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:02:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:I don't know about that... A little increase in ROF would be nice... But My SG seems to work just fine.. But if i miss the first shot, i'm dead for sure lol Headshot first lol then finish with a body shot.
(GIF)
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