DUST Search - Why factional is so unpopular.

John Demonsbane wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

Nothing Certain wrote:

Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW.

get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often

Yeah and turn FW into a glorified Pub match.

Get real mate FW is a place for co-ordination and competitive play. If you are not willing to work with your corporation, your militia, your faction you are worse than a liability in the field.

The nature of FW has been bastardised too many times for a community who doesn't even care about it, who doesn't want to take it seriously for what it is, who want another way to farm gear while feeling like they are contributing to something they quite frankly take no pride in and give no effort toward.

You sir have the mentality that will destroy a meaningful FW and will turn a meaningful FW experience into a casualised series of pseudo pub match farming cycles.

How would getting rid of Q-synching eliminate the TK/AWOX, which is the worst part of FW, exactly? It's by far the best defense against it.

You know who the last person to straight out TK me was? My good friend True f*cking Adamance.(It was an unfortunate bolas accident.)

We q-synch like crazy in Amarr, and awoxers are a minor annoyance at best because of it. You can't take that away.

(p.s. True, I totally see why you left, but it is unfortunate. The victories are there but are more hollow, the Imperial Guard has many fists but only one soul.)

"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon

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Ryme Intrinseca 1628	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:07:00 - [31] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I keep hearing how FW in EVE is different. Something along the lines that you have to "sign up" for it or something like that? I heard its a bit stricter and not as loose as it is in Dust. You have to make the choice to align yourself with a specific Militia. In doing do you gain access to FW for that specific faction and its allies. You gain specific tags that indicate WT (war targets) in system and allied Militia pilots, The whole system is more flexible, stricter in some ways, lenient in others. Its a community of players with the same goal which can be self regulated by the Militia corporations themselves. Its a system that encourages long term spying, long term loyalty, and co-operation. It encourages players not solely use their LP for their own betterment but for the betterment of the Militia, buffering Ihubs to improve system bonuses and quality of life knowing that by investing in the Militia and your controlled systems you will earn that LP back twice or three times over. Its a system that supports a 23/7 war and all of the pilots involved in it. Now that sounds like a FW I would want to play. A bit more serious and organized better. I guess it goes without saying but I really hate FW on Dust 514. Such a letdown as a whole. And I was so excited about it too after the enhancements but in the end, it means nothing. Maybe they should make it so to join, say, Caldari FW you need to have (1) got at least 500 kills (or WP equivalent) in the last month (counts all pubs, FW and PC) and (2) not played FW for Gallente in the last two months, Minmatar in the last month, or Amarr in the last two weeks. This locks out both throwaway alts and players aligned with other factions.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13031	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:10:00 - [32] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I keep hearing how FW in EVE is different. Something along the lines that you have to "sign up" for it or something like that? I heard its a bit stricter and not as loose as it is in Dust. You have to make the choice to align yourself with a specific Militia. In doing do you gain access to FW for that specific faction and its allies. You gain specific tags that indicate WT (war targets) in system and allied Militia pilots, The whole system is more flexible, stricter in some ways, lenient in others. Its a community of players with the same goal which can be self regulated by the Militia corporations themselves. Its a system that encourages long term spying, long term loyalty, and co-operation. It encourages players not solely use their LP for their own betterment but for the betterment of the Militia, buffering Ihubs to improve system bonuses and quality of life knowing that by investing in the Militia and your controlled systems you will earn that LP back twice or three times over. Its a system that supports a 23/7 war and all of the pilots involved in it. Now that sounds like a FW I would want to play. A bit more serious and organized better. I guess it goes without saying but I really hate FW on Dust 514. Such a letdown as a whole. And I was so excited about it too after the enhancements but in the end, it means nothing. o7 to you PIE guys though. I was really impressed with how you guys operated yourselves.. You guys were my inspiration on how a factional corporation, dedication and RP should be about when playing FW. RP is the only thing I still have to do with Dust 514..... I still had another 5 years of content planned for Kador and Satja.... not to mention having to write up a combined 45 years of lore for their pasts is pretty time consuming as well. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1930	Posted - 2014.08.26 02:47:00 - [33] - Quote I predicted FF would kill FW. Everybody supported it. Now look. There is no control over the team organization hence, FF does not work. It undermines the game. AWOXing and sabotage are something that work within the context of spying and the like from within a corporation. Random blue TK is a whole different animal, especially within the context of an enclosed environment like DUST. This is not an open world sandbox like EVE. Legion is supposed to add that element. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3195	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:15:00 - [34] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: I say month long ban on anyone who tks twice in one game.i mean the entire account and not just the character. It's clear that you are new to New Eden. The proper way to handle someone who team kills you, is to find them and team kill them back. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3195	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:16:00 - [35] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Increasing payout though means that at least I play it sometimes now. I'm glad to hear. I still think FacWar needs to be even more rewarding than it is though. It is very possibly the best game mode we have in this game right now, but the rewards have been poor, so it hasn't been appealing. I think FacWar should be more profitable than pubs. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ryme Intrinseca 1636	Posted - 2014.08.26 09:21:00 - [36] - Quote Even if they did something about TKing (see my suggestion above) youve still got the fact that fw is laggy as **** - unbearable for me. Tho people will fling excrement at me for suggesting it, i think things would be better if gal/cal was on eu server and min/ama on us server. Reduction to the animation and sound footprint of equipment would also help.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 609	Posted - 2014.08.26 10:06:00 - [37] - Quote 2Berries wrote: My only problem with awoxing is there only seems to be one place they go to do it, caldari. Expand your horizons, people! with out caldari the gallente wont be able to do FW due to lack of partisipants [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 609	Posted - 2014.08.26 10:07:00 - [38] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Increasing payout though means that at least I play it sometimes now. I'm glad to hear. I still think FacWar needs to be even more rewarding than it is though. It is very possibly the best game mode we have in this game right now, but the rewards have been poor, so it hasn't been appealing. I think FacWar should be more profitable than pubs. the only "pay out" i dislike is how low the LP payout is for loseing i do however like that we get soooo much salvage from FW including officer and complex moduals and advanced+ dropsuits [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 609	Posted - 2014.08.26 10:09:00 - [39] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW. get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2315	Posted - 2014.08.26 10:11:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Increasing payout though means that at least I play it sometimes now. I'm glad to hear. I still think FacWar needs to be even more rewarding than it is though. It is very possibly the best game mode we have in this game right now, but the rewards have been poor, so it hasn't been appealing. I think FacWar should be more profitable than pubs. This. My usual solution to awoxers is usually to burst HMG them after they kill me once. Or thump them with a mass driver. Or lob a plasma cannon shot at them. Fairly effective.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2316	Posted - 2014.08.26 10:15:00 - [41] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW. get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often Getting rid of Q-sync is impossible. As long as you have comms available you can q-sync. All you do tlis be on comms, count down from 3 and the two squad leaders hit "join battle" simultaneously. Its not cheating, its coordinating. People do that to enhance their chances of winning. And if you remove comms from DUST (which will not happen) q-sync squads will simply swap to skype, mumble, teamspeak. Hell even skype group calls.
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.08.26 10:25:00 - [42] - Quote I'm loving FW more than ever. If you're organised and someone tries to TK you, just have your squad turn and melt them, revive and repeat. If you don't like Awoxing then don't get involved in the EVE Universe, that's the sad truth. I've played EVE for about 5 years on and off and I can tell you I've awoxed, been awoxed, stolen, scammed and been scammed (but not for much lol). It's part of the game. If you plan on playing Legion, then I would suggest getting used to it as it'll probably only get more prevalent. Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2316	Posted - 2014.08.26 10:29:00 - [43] - Quote Night 5talker 514 wrote: I'm loving FW more than ever. If you're organised and someone tries to TK you, just have your squad turn and melt them, revive and repeat. If you don't like Awoxing then don't get involved in the EVE Universe, that's the sad truth. I've played EVE for about 5 years on and off and I can tell you I've awoxed, been awoxed, stolen, scammed and been scammed (but not for much lol). It's part of the game. If you plan on playing Legion, then I would suggest getting used to it as it'll probably only get more prevalent. Oh thank you for reminding me I can needlef**k people solo in facwar. Yet another awox solution thats frustrating as hell to endure.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 816	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:51:00 - [44] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Night 5talker 514 wrote: I'm loving FW more than ever. If you're organised and someone tries to TK you, just have your squad turn and melt them, revive and repeat. If you don't like Awoxing then don't get involved in the EVE Universe, that's the sad truth. I've played EVE for about 5 years on and off and I can tell you I've awoxed, been awoxed, stolen, scammed and been scammed (but not for much lol). It's part of the game. If you plan on playing Legion, then I would suggest getting used to it as it'll probably only get more prevalent. Oh thank you for reminding me I can needlef**k people solo in facwar. Yet another awox solution thats frustrating as hell to endure. Is it true that only kbm guys can actually get outta the loop or is that a fairy tale like lag switching. I myself usually get out because punish button spam but whateves. Assault since Replication. We've come full circle. Finally.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1382	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:53:00 - [45] - Quote FW is no fun because there's typically no competition. We almost have to qsync against our own squads to find a fight. It's depressing, and the only thing saving FW are the few uniquely powerful pieces of equipment (like the Amarr uplinks or the Caldari needle) or the ones that require less CPU/PG to fit (like the Federation Duoville AR).
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1920	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:54:00 - [46] - Quote I need to make a TKing alt. These tears are ripe for harvest!!! Keep 'em comming!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13057	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:18:00 - [47] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW. get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often Yeah and turn FW into a glorified Pub match. Get real mate FW is a place for co-ordination and competitive play. If you are not willing to work with you corporation, you militia, your faction you are worse than a liability in the field. The nature of FW has be bastardised too many times for a community who doesn't even care about it. You sir have the mentality that will destroy a meaningful FW and will turn a meaningful FW experience into a casualised series of pseudo pub match farming cycles. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3910	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:37:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW. get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often Yeah and turn FW into a glorified Pub match. Get real mate FW is a place for co-ordination and competitive play. If you are not willing to work with your corporation, your militia, your faction you are worse than a liability in the field. The nature of FW has been bastardised too many times for a community who doesn't even care about it, who doesn't want to take it seriously for what it is, who want another way to farm gear while feeling like they are contributing to something they quite frankly take no pride in and give no effort toward. You sir have the mentality that will destroy a meaningful FW and will turn a meaningful FW experience into a casualised series of pseudo pub match farming cycles. How would getting rid of Q-synching eliminate the TK/AWOX, which is the worst part of FW, exactly? It's by far the best defense against it. You know who the last person to straight out TK me was? My good friend *True fcking Adamance**.(It was an unfortunate bolas accident.) We q-synch like crazy in Amarr, and awoxers are a minor annoyance at best because of it. You can't take that away. (p.s. True, I totally see why you left, but it is unfortunate. The victories are there but are more hollow, the Imperial Guard has many fists but only one soul.) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13057	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:50:00 - [49] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW. get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often Yeah and turn FW into a glorified Pub match. Get real mate FW is a place for co-ordination and competitive play. If you are not willing to work with your corporation, your militia, your faction you are worse than a liability in the field. The nature of FW has been bastardised too many times for a community who doesn't even care about it, who doesn't want to take it seriously for what it is, who want another way to farm gear while feeling like they are contributing to something they quite frankly take no pride in and give no effort toward. You sir have the mentality that will destroy a meaningful FW and will turn a meaningful FW experience into a casualised series of pseudo pub match farming cycles. How would getting rid of Q-synching eliminate the TK/AWOX, which is the worst part of FW, exactly? It's by far the best defense against it. You know who the last person to straight out TK me was? My good friend *True fcking Adamance*.(It was an unfortunate bolas accident.) We q-synch like crazy in Amarr, and awoxers are a minor annoyance at best because of it. You can't take that away. (p.s. True, I totally see why you left, but it is unfortunate. The victories are there but are more hollow, the Imperial Guard has many fists but only one soul.) Was that when I told Aero not to fly with 7 of our 16 Q-Synced players because I had an HAV coming in and didn't know which direction......? Or is this one of the many times I either drove through LAVs/ my dispersion clipped you? "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires"* -Kador Ouryon
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3913	Posted - 2014.08.27 03:14:00 - [50] - Quote The first one, technically Aero's fault but you got "credit" for the TK. (The godfather of tactical logistics)

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13058	Posted - 2014.08.27 03:18:00 - [51] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: The first one, technically Aero's fault but you got "credit" for the TK. 7 free kills and not kicked! To be fair I told him not to take off and he ignored/ couldn't hear me....... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Bahirae Serugiusu Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.27 03:35:00 - [52] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: I say month long ban on anyone who tks twice in one game.i mean the entire account and not just the character. You clearly haven't had team mates literally running front of you on purpose have you? You can't increase the penalty for team killing without screwing over those of us left who are actually trying to be productive on Caldari FW and not just whacking it on a roof somewhere that no one wants to get off of.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 266	Posted - 2014.08.27 04:26:00 - [53] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: I say month long ban on anyone who tks twice in one game.i mean the entire account and not just the character. It's clear that you are new to New Eden. The proper way to handle someone who team kills you, is to find them and team kill them back. :) Thanls to starter medic suits, it's FREE too! Burning through clones like Rusty Venture.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3916	Posted - 2014.08.27 11:50:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The first one, technically Aero's fault but you got "credit" for the TK. 7 free kills and not kicked! To be fair I told him not to take off and he ignored/ couldn't hear me....... Indeed, it was very efficient of you! (I totally heard the warning and was mentally bracing for impact when it happened. For the record, I got the impression he thought he could ninja out of the way in time.) P.s. I'm rather disappointed I haven't gotten an appropriately philosophical/RP response to my poignant old-soldier comment about the imperial guards soul. What sort of warrior poet are you? (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3202	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:11:00 - [55] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: the only "pay out" i dislike is how low the LP payout is for loseing i do however like that we get soooo much salvage from FW including officer and complex moduals and advanced+ dropsuits The general idea I'm going by here is higher risk/higher reward. You should get a much better payout in FacWar than pubs... if you're winning. Ideally, that should encourage better players to play in FacWar since they can more likely push out a win. Players without as much skill can stick to pubs, for the payout that is more than good enough even in a loss. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 3332	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:14:00 - [56] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: My personal experience has been if your not winning (and even when you are ) there's usually some idiot kids running around in the redline killing each other or just following you team killing and destroying equipment. Just dumb, no wonder nobody plays it. I like it but I die more to blueberries than cherries. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4413	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:18:00 - [57] - Quote The QQ about this is just another example of solo players wanting Dust to be COD. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5811	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:38:00 - [58] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Not very familiar with awoxing are ya? You'll get used to it. Thing is, in eve, awoxers are very easy to deal with, because their name can just be thrown out for everyone to murder the **** out of wherever they go. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 267	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:49:00 - [59] - Quote The only problem I see with FW is the lack of some isk payout as well as lp. Take out the LP, make the payout isk, and keep standings. The standings can make the price of items cheaper. Simple. As far as decent competition goes the lack of good fights comes from narrow-minded players who don't wanna work together?! When we do factional we all agree to fight in one faction in squad or q sinced! We aren't selfish, and have developed a schedule. With this method I can gain 40-60k LP in 2 days! All of my standing in each faction are 4-5. I get a ton of weaponry and suits. I can find something useful in each faction whether it be mods, weapons, or dropsuits. I've even bought tanks! You guys are selfish and stupid! That's why I don't mind syncing against you, and burying you in FW. You can't agree on a faction to fight for because you're all greedy. You don't realize that you lose more by yourself than you do in squad, you get little standing and LP, and you get stomped which causes you to rage and go awox snipers in your redline?! Your all a bunch of simple little selfish kids with no foresight. If you do better in squad in the pubs, why do you think it's different in FW? Novices?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Atiim 11654	Posted - 2014.08.27 16:34:00 - [60] - Quote vincent FF7 514 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I will say anything to defend console gamers. Console gamers get butthurt so easily lol I believe you're confusing "refuting your assertion" with "being butthurt". Unless of course, you already know the difference and your sole purpose is to goad and anger other players, in which case I'd have to say you've failed miserably. As for you're current assertion, do you have any evidence (non-fallacious, of course) to back said claim? DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND



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