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Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1139	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:42:00 - [1] - Quote I see alot of thoughts on these but the two main points from my understanding is: 1. Turbo controllers, not the gun. This we can all agree on. 2. Rather than heat per shot like one would expect it's measured by seconds of continuous fire. So, a simple tweak then should be to simply turn from heat per second to per shot? If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
taxi bastard uptown456 215	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:56:00 - [2] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: I see alot of thoughts on these but the two main points from my understanding is: 1. Turbo controllers, not the gun. This we can all agree on. 2. Rather than heat per shot like one would expect it's measured by seconds of continuous fire. So, a simple tweak then should be to simply turn from heat per second to per shot? said it before simple
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 744	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:11:00 - [3] - Quote We've been saying this since it was released. Also, recoil for any gun should be per shot. This whole per second thing is proof CCP tried to copy MMO mechanics into the guns which was short sighted. Nothing on guns should be per second unless it's a beam. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 666	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:29:00 - [4] - Quote wait...its per second? ive been firing slowly to conserve heat the whole time
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1145	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:36:00 - [5] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: wait...its per second? ive been firing slowly to conserve heat the whole time I knooooooow, didn't realize until someone pointed it out to me. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.08.24 08:14:00 - [6] - Quote Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3361	Posted - 2014.08.24 09:07:00 - [7] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:09:00 - [8] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. If Large Railguns are only 80 GJ, and a ScR is using 30 million GJ, I request that the ScR does about 450 million damage per shot. The math adds up. And as a balancing factor, the ScR can much as much as a .22LR round fired from a rifle. Of course any dropsuit would easily be able to counter that kick, but whatevs.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 638	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:15:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. If Large Railguns are only 80 GJ, and a ScR is using 30 million GJ, I request that the ScR does about 450 million damage per shot. The math adds up. And as a balancing factor, the ScR can much as much as a .22LR round fired from a rifle. Of course any dropsuit would easily be able to counter that kick, but whatevs. QED? Turns out Monkey MAC is once again, too clever for his own good. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:20:00 - [10] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. If Large Railguns are only 80 GJ, and a ScR is using 30 million GJ, I request that the ScR does about 450 million damage per shot. The math adds up. And as a balancing factor, the ScR can kick much as much as a .50 NATO round. Of course any dropsuit would easily be able to counter that kick, but whatevs. QED? Turns out Monkey MAC is once again, too clever for his own good. Sigh... I meant to edit, not quote.

Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 639	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:24:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. If Large Railguns are only 80 GJ, and a ScR is using 30 million GJ, I request that the ScR does about 450 million damage per shot. The math adds up. And as a balancing factor, the ScR can kick much as much as a .50 NATO round. Of course any dropsuit would easily be able to counter that kick, but whatevs. QED? Turns out Monkey MAC is once again, too clever for his own good. Sigh... I meant to edit, not quote. How careless of you. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 3909	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:30:00 - [12] - Quote Don't talk about changing the ScR. The entire board goes will murder you! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:33:00 - [13] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Don't talk about changing the ScR. The entire board goes will murder you! I like MACs idea. Give the ScR 450,000,000 damage per shot and practically 0 noticeable kick. Balanced!
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 601	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:16:00 - [14] - Quote I call BS on the tubro controler claim. I doubt most people could tell the difference between a Turboed ScR and someone who could mash R1 like an ADHD middle schooler on meth. Thr33 is the magic number. no hope.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 139	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:42:00 - [15] - Quote I want a semiautomatic spirit-bomb gun that consumes 3 grams of antimatter per shot. It could shoot EVE Players out of the sky! But it would be balanced by its kick of course! We don't want it to be OP or anything... Nerf the ScR down to these levels plz.
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek 69	Posted - 2014.08.25 01:54:00 - [16] - Quote Close Monkey, but E=mc^2 applies only to particles at rest and photons have no rest mass. Nice try though. Best if they just leave the ScR alone and do something about the turbo controllers. Perhaps a mechanism where uber consistent fire rates could trigger an overheat?
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 790	Posted - 2014.08.25 02:04:00 - [17] - Quote ugg reset wrote: I call BS on the tubro controler claim. I doubt most people could tell the difference between a Turboed ScR and someone who could mash R1 like an ADHD middle schooler on meth. Yep. Get accused of it all the time. Turbo controller that is. Not Meth. YouTube
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 790	Posted - 2014.08.25 02:07:00 - [18] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: wait...its per second? ive been firing slowly to conserve heat the whole time I knooooooow, didn't realize until someone pointed it out to me. I didn't realize this either. So what's the record for most shots fired before over heat (excluding Amarr)? I've only ever been able to get out 17 YouTube
Thurak1 Psygod9 945	Posted - 2014.08.25 02:11:00 - [19] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. wait 3 grams? Thank you internet. I found a grains to grams conversion. So 3 grams would = 46.2970752 Grains which weighs nearly nothing. For comparison: The 50 BMG 12.7 +ù 99 NATO cartridge has a capacity of 290 grains H2O (19 ml).
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2014.08.25 02:43:00 - [20] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. wait 3 grams? Thank you internet. I found a grains to grams conversion. So 3 grams would = 46.2970752 Grains which weighs nearly nothing. For comparison: The 50 BMG 12.7 +ù 99 NATO cartridge has a capacity of 290 grains H2O (19 ml). Do you understand antimatter annihilation? It converts matter and antimatter into pure energy at a 100% conversion rate. For comparison, nuclear bombs conver only a small percentage of the uranium they use into energy. 3 grams of antimatter would be enough to level a small city. And remember, all that energy is being focused into a stream of energy coming out the end of a gun. Basically, if the ScR used as much energy as Monkey MAC theorized it does, it would kick like an M4, but shoot a hole through the moon.

Thurak1 Psygod9 949	Posted - 2014.08.25 05:27:00 - [21] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. wait 3 grams? Thank you internet. I found a grains to grams conversion. So 3 grams would = 46.2970752 Grains which weighs nearly nothing. For comparison: The 50 BMG 12.7 +ù 99 NATO cartridge has a capacity of 290 grains H2O (19 ml). Do you understand antimatter annihilation? It converts matter and antimatter into pure energy at a 100% conversion rate. For comparison, nuclear bombs conver only a small percentage of the uranium they use into energy. 3 grams of antimatter would be enough to level a small city. And remember, all that energy is being focused into a stream of energy coming out the end of a gun. Basically, if the ScR used as much energy as Monkey MAC theorized it does, it would kick like an M4, but shoot a hole through the moon. I think you missed my point. I was talking about how much mass there would be. Or more likely the lack of mass. No mass = no kick. Shooting a high powered light beam should not cause noticeable kick because the mass that is being shot is not significant enough to cause kick.
vincent FF7 514 sephiroth clones 18	Posted - 2014.08.25 05:59:00 - [22] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. Lol you're an idiot.
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 348	Posted - 2014.08.25 09:20:00 - [23] - Quote ugg reset wrote: I call BS on the tubro controler claim. I doubt most people could tell the difference between a Turboed ScR and someone who could mash R1 like an ADHD middle schooler on meth. The turbo makes the Scrambler Rifle shoot faster than the assault variant, shoot more rounds than pressing manually on the semi auto variant and packs a bigger punch than the assault variant can dish at full auto. So basically makes the Scrambler a better assault version than its own assault variant for less the cost! I am a prof. V scrub. I have no honor The best strategy is not to wear pants Romulus H3x needs to sign my boob
Andris Kronis Legio DXIV 78	Posted - 2014.08.25 09:55:00 - [24] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: The turbo makes the Scrambler Rifle shoot faster than the assault variant, shoot more rounds than pressing manually on the semi auto variant and packs a bigger punch than the assault variant can dish at full auto. So basically makes the Scrambler a better assault version than its own assault variant for less the cost! It overheats easier than the assault version. but yes the damage is so much more. From my experiments with a timing circuit attached to my mouse if there lag sometimes you queue up shots and from my perspective I hear them all go off in very fast succession, faster then say a trumpeter with a case of the twitches could reasonably expect to press. 20 shots per overheat with no amar suit for extra heat or better rifle, that is straight BPO scrambler rifle. It does seem to have a lot of kick up, I don't use ScR often so I'm unfamiliar if this is normal. It does melt a heavy quite quickly, far better than any other weapon I have. I don't have ScR to 5 so I can't use the proto version to see how that behaves but I expect they are easier to use?? "Corporation slogan coming to a sig near you"
Cruor Abominare Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 136	Posted - 2014.08.25 10:06:00 - [25] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. wait 3 grams? Thank you internet. I found a grains to grams conversion. So 3 grams would = 46.2970752 Grains which weighs nearly nothing. For comparison: The 50 BMG 12.7 +ù 99 NATO cartridge has a capacity of 290 grains H2O (19 ml). Do you understand antimatter annihilation? It converts matter and antimatter into pure energy at a 100% conversion rate. For comparison, nuclear bombs conver only a small percentage of the uranium they use into energy. 3 grams of antimatter would be enough to level a small city. And remember, all that energy is being focused into a stream of energy coming out the end of a gun. Basically, if the ScR used as much energy as Monkey MAC theorized it does, it would kick like an M4, but shoot a hole through the moon. I think you missed my point. I was talking about how much mass there would be. Or more likely the lack of mass. No mass = no kick. Shooting a high powered light beam should not cause noticeable kick because the mass that is being shot is not significant enough to cause kick. Look we promise you lasers have recoil, feel free to google it we aren't shitting you. How much recoil on a scram rifle? Who knows its an imaginary gun but yes there would be some level of recoil.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3369	Posted - 2014.08.25 16:37:00 - [26] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Honestly any kind of recoil on a laser based weapon is kinda really stupid. Its not firing a .50 cal slug. its firing either a steady beam or short bursts of light. so ya.... its weird how they treat it like its a plasma gun. E=mc^2 Just because it is light does not mean it is weightless, the amount of energy required to do damage with a pulse of light is immense, while I can only guess as to energy level you will see that the rounds have some rather high mass. Let's assume the energy required is 30,000,000 GJ for perspective you average breakfast bar has approximately 2586 KJ. So we now rearange the equation to make m the subject. M= E/C^2 We take the speed of light as 300,000,000 m/s (this has been rounded up slightly - which results in the light beam weighing less) and calculate the answer. M = 0.03 Kg The result is that round has a weight of about 3 grams, for perspective this about the same weight as an unfired NATO standard round (including casing, gunpowder) and that is why there is recoil. If Large Railguns are only 80 GJ, and a ScR is using 30 million GJ, I request that the ScR does about 450 million damage per shot. The math adds up. And as a balancing factor, the ScR can much as much as a .22LR round fired from a rifle. Of course any dropsuit would easily be able to counter that kick, but whatevs. With the railguns and blasters 80GJ refers to the amount of energy transfered to the slug, from this we could calculate the velocity then reverse the equation to work out the energy of the moving slug. So let's assume the slug weighs approximately 5Kg, for a railgun this is probably rather light. V = GêÜE/M V= 126,000 Km/s (nearly 0.3x light speed) Now we calculate the Energy of the moving projectile E=mc^2 7,985,000,000 GJ ;) They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Zindorak 1.U.P 672	Posted - 2014.08.25 16:38:00 - [27] - Quote i know how to fix them. Bring the AScR heat build up back where it was Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1166	Posted - 2014.08.25 16:40:00 - [28] - Quote Zindorak wrote: i know how to fix them. Bring the AScR heat build up back where it was Seems fine to me. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Zindorak 1.U.P 672	Posted - 2014.08.25 16:42:00 - [29] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Zindorak wrote: i know how to fix them. Bring the AScR heat build up back where it was Seems fine to me. And maybe as a little cherry on top a little damage buff its suck as much as the AR does Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1166	Posted - 2014.08.25 16:47:00 - [30] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Zindorak wrote: i know how to fix them. Bring the AScR heat build up back where it was Seems fine to me. And maybe as a little cherry on top a little damage buff its suck as much as the AR does Only if the CR and AR each deal 60 dmg per.bullet to even the damages of all rifles. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.

ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 602	Posted - 2014.08.25 21:36:00 - [31] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: ugg reset wrote: I call BS on the tubro controler claim. I doubt most people could tell the difference between a Turboed ScR and someone who could mash R1 like an ADHD middle schooler on meth. The turbo makes the Scrambler Rifle shoot faster than the assault variant, shoot more rounds than pressing manually on the semi auto variant and packs a bigger punch than the assault variant can dish at full auto. So basically makes the Scrambler a better assault version than its own assault variant for less the cost! the best DPS I know for the ScR is a charged shot with rapid follow up shots. Turbo controllers can't do that. Thr33 is the magic number. no hope.


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