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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:24:00 -
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Venerable Phage wrote:I wish my breach shotgun had five shots...
Oh, you. Scouts have speed, dampening and cloaking to make up for it; heavies can't even see you mofos on their tacnet when they're getting skullf****ed by shottys.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
1809
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:03:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Venerable Phage wrote:I wish my breach shotgun had five shots... Oh, you. Scouts have speed, dampening and cloaking to make up for it; heavies can't even see you mofos on their tacnet when they're getting skullf****ed by shottys.
hence why I'm paranoid to the point of making tweak from southpark look normal xD
Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1020
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:06:00 -
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Can confirm. Almost killed a heavy with a Gatsun's last night but because he had a burst, and another one of his heavy friends showed up I didn't even get the kill on him.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2987
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:24:00 -
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It should be consider the minmatar Rifle is Burst shouldn't the heavy weapons normal variant be burst as well and since the normal variant of each weapon has the highest DPS of it's counter parts the Burst should as well. I'm not saying it's balanced but I understand why it is a better weapon.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Tectonic Fusion
2051
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Posted - 2014.08.23 03:10:00 -
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GENERAL FCF wrote:I'll accept a nerf to the burst HMG if the RR and CR get nerfed! the burst HMG needs to be at 5,000rpm.(i love it at 6000 tho) and the regular hmg needs to be at 2,800 or 2,900rpm! (2,400 is not good enough) CCP likes the regular HMG where it is right now because it doesnt suck anymore, that doesnt mean its a good/great weapon. (yet) Its a tricky weapon to balance i know, therefore im not totally tripping that its NOT finished yet. I also believe it needs to be more efficient against tanks if Nova Knives are going to light-saber down tanks! The HMG is basically a vehicle weapon being wielded by infantry so it needs to be strong(more efficient) towards vehicles.
I only agree for the burst part.
Venerable Phage wrote:I wish my breach shotgun had five shots...
It should have 3 (like the chromosome version) or 4 shots in a clip.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1279
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Posted - 2014.08.23 03:27:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Venerable Phage wrote:I wish my breach shotgun had five shots... It should have 3 (like the chromosome version) or 4 shots in a clip.
I'm pretty sure the Chrome breach had 2 shots as well; at least that's why I remember choosing not to use it back then.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2152
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Posted - 2014.08.23 03:30:00 -
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castba wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Compared to the new burst.
Holy ****, that thing tears a new a-hole for 7 blueberries in one tap of R1.
I played a PC a few days ago where literally the only thing that killed me was the Six Kin...It makes the regular HMG feel like a militia RR.
Not calling for a nerf, Im just looking for the logic that balances this weapon, considering it does nearly twice the damage of a shotgun shot per burst and has about 10x the range..
How do people feel about it? Good Lord man! Do you do anything other than cry about heavies? FYI, you are doing it wrong, as are all the other crybabies that cry nerf. Please see my Sig and think before posting.
Good Lord man! Are you able to read?
FYI, you are doing it wrong, as are all the other illiterate crybaby heavies that complain. Please see my OP and read before posting.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1056
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:03:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I truly wonder what goes through CCPs minds when they make changes.
The regular hmg was already OP as hell compared to every other weapon. Its only true drawback was it could be outranged by light weapons, but since the vast majority of maps and objectives force players into the hmgs sphere of CQC dominance, being outranged was a moot point.
So in their infinite wisdom CCP takes the weaker version of the most OP weapon in the game, buffs the shyte out of it and it is now the new king badass OP weapon, making the former hmg look like a joke, even though the former hmg was an insta killing death ray. Now the six kin is just a turbo Insta killing death ray, with one small change...you actually kinda have to aim now instead of the spray and pray of the boundless.
Bravo CCP, bravo.
I can only assume that AUR sales factor into their decisions as well as actual gameplay.
Because, that's why.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1279
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:22:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I still do fine against the burst with my MH-82, well 1v1 anyways, it's when there's two of them I get worried. The burst eats through ammo too quickly and after it overheats the one using it is fcked; hell you could shotgun him to death from 20 meters away before the thing cools down (seems like it anyways). Still, the burst is damn good when the blueberries don't get in your line of fire (I swear they did it intentionally every time I pulled the trigger last time I used it). J4yne C0bb wrote:
2) The burst is a skill weapon -- you basically have about 4-5 bursts before you have to reload, I think? Makes timing essential to it's use -- if you are caught in a reload at the wrong time or miss your bursts, you're screwed..
Sounds more like luck than skill to me but whatever. Luck? Hardly. No more luck than a shotgun scout is 'lucky'. The burst HMG basically operates like a short range SG, requiring the same type of aiming skill. Put some Kin Cats on my suit and I'm basically a fat, slow, highly visible scout. I'm like Kung Fu Panda with a burst weapon!
+1 for the Kung Fu Panda.
Anyways, the shotgun is a short range SG and the burst is more like a mid range SG. Honestly, I don't see how you could compare aiming the burst with aiming the SG though. The optimal and effective range of the burst is a good bit farther than the SG that I just can't see the comparison unless the person you're trying to shoot is right on top of you but if that's the case then the same comparison could be made with almost every other weapon.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2158
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Posted - 2014.08.23 22:45:00 -
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Except the burst does twice the SG's damage while having equal "rounds" per clip with 8x the range...still not seeing balance here
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:02:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:
So all in all, I don't really think the burst is OP, compared to how the HMG normally performs. It's comparable to how the shotgun operates now -- SGs put mercs down in 1-3 shots, but no one is asking for a shotgun nerf.
The SG kills light and medium frames in 1-3 shots, provided they're within 5 meters.
The Burst HMG hits many times harder at far greater range.
I don't see how these weapons are comparable.
Shoot scout with yes.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1218
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:08:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:The burst is perfect. It's DPS is just high enough for people to rage. Just lower it by 1000 and it'll be fine. Also the normal HMG is just a different playstyle. na dude its not perfect or fine. i never defend something that i use that is clearly OP. i run a burst on my heavy in PC and yes it needs a nerf.
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
719
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:31:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:
So all in all, I don't really think the burst is OP, compared to how the HMG normally performs. It's comparable to how the shotgun operates now -- SGs put mercs down in 1-3 shots, but no one is asking for a shotgun nerf.
The SG kills light and medium frames in 1-3 shots, provided they're within 5 meters. The Burst HMG hits many times harder at far greater range. I don't see how these weapons are comparable.
Most SG scouts down me in 1-2 shots in my scout or logi suit, and 2-3 in my heavy. Scouts may not have the range, but they don't need it -- they have the dampening and speed to pwn me before I even know they are there, and be gone in a flash.
However, I'm seeing on protofits.com that the Effective Range of the MLR-A is 52.5m. Does seem a bit high, but honestly, I don't think I've killed anything at that range, most of my kills are around 10 to 30. I'll have to start paying attention to this -- I do agree, 50m is a bit much, to be fair. I didn't expect that number to be that high.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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